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Message no. 1
From: "Victor Rodriguez, Jr" <sedahdro@*****.COM>
Subject: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:12:00 EST
Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
bioware in his body of just six?
--- Sedah Drol
Message no. 2
From: "Blair A. Monroe" <bmonroe@******.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 22:01:01 -1812
>Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
>your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
>a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
>bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
>bioware in his body of just six?
> --- Sedah Drol

Nope. As stated on pg.5 of _Shadowtech_, "The maximum amount of bioware
that a given individual can safely accept is represented by the 'Body
Index', which is equal to the total number of Body Cost Points represented
by his bioware, up to a maximum equal to the character's natural and
unaugmented Body Rating, modified only by race and Karma."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Blair A. Monroe |bmonroe@******.fsu.edu
|blairm@******.com
Message no. 3
From: Duke Diener <DukeDragon@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 22:14:55 -0400
Sedah Drol wrote:

>Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
>your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
>a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
>bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
>bioware in his body of just six?

No, it says at the front of ShadowTech that the body index limit is the
natural body of the indivual modified by race and karma only. (page 5)

So you have a troll with a body of 2 + 5 for being a troll gives you a body
index maximum of 7. The troll has a body value of 8 though cause of the
natural dermal plate but this does not raise the body index max. So the
troll maxes out on bioware and makes some karma which he uses to raise his
body to 8 (9), he now has an addition 1 point of body index to use if he
chooses.

Duke
Message no. 4
From: Ioannis Pantelidis <jpante@******.COMPULINK.GR>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:40:19 +0300
On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Victor Rodriguez, Jr wrote:

> Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
> your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
> a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
> bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
> bioware in his body of just six?
> --- Sedah Drol
no. Because body index can be raised up to the original body unmodified
by cyber or bioware (shadowtech page 5)
Message no. 5
From: Andre' Selmer <031SEA@******.WITS.AC.ZA>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:05:29 +0200
:->On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Victor Rodriguez, Jr wrote:
:->
:->> Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
:->> your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can pu
:->t
:->> a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
:->> bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
:->
:->> bioware in his body of just six?
:->> --- Sedah Drol
:->no. Because body index can be raised up to the original body unmodified
:->by cyber or bioware (shadowtech page 5)

If however the character was to raise his body attribute from 5
to 6 though karma, then he could put in 6 points worth of bioware

Andre'
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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:37:08 +0200
>Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
>your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
>a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
>bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
>bioware in his body of just six?

No; not even bioware increases to your Body can give you extra bioware
"space." You use your absolutely _natural_ Body to decide how much bioware
will fit.


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Message no. 7
From: Dave Stone <dstone@******.DREAMSCAPE.COM>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and body index
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:20:08 -0400
On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Victor Rodriguez, Jr wrote:
> Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
> your maximum body index limit, ie if a character has a body of 6 he can put
> a maximum of 6 points of bioware in his body, Then he later gets titanum
> bone lacing, his body becomes an 8. Can he now put a maximum of 8 points of
> bioware in his body of just six?
> --- Sedah Drol

Nope. Right in the start of the Biotech chapter, it says that
biotech increases to body don't add to the max amount of Bioware. Makes
sense, too. Why should something that is a stress to the system add to
the amount that can stress the system?

HTH,

Dave

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| "Five ride forth, and four return. Above the watchers shall he |
| proclaim himself, bannered across the sky in fire..." |
Message no. 8
From: Bryan Prince <prince%xray.dnet@******.ROC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:10:03 -0400
Begin included msg:----------
Bone lacing adds to a persons Body. Can this additional body raise what
your maximum body index limit....
--- Sedah Drol
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As far as I remember the discussion sections in Shadowtech, the Body you
calculate loss from is your unaugmented natural body score. Any implants
that increase that (Bone Lacing, Dermal Plating, Orthoskin, ect) does
not increase the amount of bioware you may add. Wish it did work that
way sometimes, tho... If you want to increase the amount of Body you
can work with, use a Meta (Ork or Troll is good) and max the attribute.
Another Question:
If you have a character with a natural Body of 5 and then use Karma
to increase to a 6 (or more if you are meta) can you then add more bioware?

Bryan
Message no. 9
From: Ioannis Pantelidis <jpante@******.COMPULINK.GR>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:26:50 +0300
If you have a character with a natural Body of 5 and then use Karma
> to increase to a 6 (or more if you are meta) can you then add more bioware?
OF COURCE SIR :)
Message no. 10
From: "Blair A. Monroe" <bmonroe@******.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:31:59 -0400
>
> If you have a character with a natural Body of 5 and then use Karma
> > to increase to a 6 (or more if you are meta) can you then add more bioware?
> OF COURCE SIR :)
>

Ummm...I beg to differ...unless the GM decides to suspend the rule it is
stated quite clearly on pg.5 of SHADOWTECH that the limit on bioware is
you natural, unaugmented body, modified only by karma and race.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In other words...none of those neat cyberware or bioware methods of
raising a character's body lets said character increase the amount of body
available before running into problems.

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Message no. 11
From: "Victor Rodriguez, Jr" <sedahdro@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:05:00 EST
>>
>> If you have a character with a natural Body of 5 and then use Karma
>> > to increase to a 6 (or more if you are meta) can you then add more bioware?
>> OF COURCE SIR :)
>>
>
>Ummm...I beg to differ...unless the GM decides to suspend the rule it is
>stated quite clearly on pg.5 of SHADOWTECH that the limit on bioware is
>you natural, unaugmented body, modified only by karma and race.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>In other words...none of those neat cyberware or bioware methods of
>raising a character's body lets said character increase the amount of body
>available before running into problems.
Blair, I don't know what you are begging to differ with, but if its with the
person saying yes the the character mention above could get bioware, you
contradicted yourself :) no offense. In your quote you, it implies that if
you raise your body with Karma it gives more space for bioware.
--- Sedah Drol
Message no. 12
From: Dave Stone <dstone@******.DREAMSCAPE.COM>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:37:57 -0400
On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Blair A. Monroe wrote:
> > If you have a character with a natural Body of 5 and then use Karma
> > > to increase to a 6 (or more if you are meta) can you then add more bioware?
> > OF COURCE SIR :)
> Ummm...I beg to differ...unless the GM decides to suspend the rule it is
> stated quite clearly on pg.5 of SHADOWTECH that the limit on bioware is
> you natural, unaugmented body, modified only by karma and race.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> In other words...none of those neat cyberware or bioware methods of
> raising a character's body lets said character increase the amount of body
> available before running into problems.

He's right. The guy was asking if he raised his body from 5 to 6
through Karma, if he'd get the point for stuff, and its yes. Right in
your quote...modified only y karma and race.

Dave

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Message no. 13
From: "Blair A. Monroe" <bmonroe@******.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bonelacing and Body index
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 21:03:18 -1812
>>Ummm...I beg to differ...unless the GM decides to suspend the rule it is
>>stated quite clearly on pg.5 of SHADOWTECH that the limit on bioware is
>>you natural, unaugmented body, modified only by karma and race.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>In other words...none of those neat cyberware or bioware methods of
>>raising a character's body lets said character increase the amount of body
>>available before running into problems.
>Blair, I don't know what you are begging to differ with, but if its with the
>person saying yes the the character mention above could get bioware, you
>contradicted yourself :) no offense. In your quote you, it implies that if
>you raise your body with Karma it gives more space for bioware.
> --- Sedah Drol

Ooops....I stand corrected....seems that was the reply I meant to send for
another question....I hate it when that happens... :/


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