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Message no. 1
From: mARCiN sERkIES <yasiu@******.COM>
Subject: books again
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:06:00 +0200
It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive 300km to buy few
books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second edition. Next are StreetSamCatalog,
SeattleSourcebook. All of them are used but in one piece... so should i buy all of them???
and next i can get cybertechnology and germany sourcebook so again should i have them???



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Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:15:21 -0400
At 11:06 PM 7/9/97 +0200, mARCiN sERkIES wrote these timeless words:
>It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive
300km to buy few books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second
edition. Next are StreetSamCatalog, SeattleSourcebook. All of them are used
but in one piece... so should i buy all of them??? and next i can get
cybertechnology and germany sourcebook so again should i have them???
>
I find the Seattle Sourcebok to be VERY useful, and the SR2 book is a must.

SSC is a maybe. Nice book to have, and I wouldn;t turn down a copy,
especially if you can get it used anmd cheap, but all the basic info from
the SSC is in the 2nd ed. SR book, other than a few expanded rules, I think.

Cybertech is also very nice, but also not really necessary. But I wouldn't
turn down a copy...;]

Germany is probably the only one of the bunch that I would say not to
bother with. I didn;t find all that interesting, and unless you REALLY
want to set a game in Germany, it's a waste of time.

Bull
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Message no. 3
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:13:17 -0700
| It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive
300km to buy few books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second
edition. Next are StreetSamCatalog, SeattleSourcebook. All of them are used
but in one piece... so should i buy all of them??? and next i can get
cybertechnology and germany sourcebook so again should i have them???

Sounds good. Cybertech is good, but the Geramany sourcebook I would wait
on. Find out what language it is in...I hear bad things about the German
version. In fact I would forgo the seattle sourcebook in favor on the
grimoire definately.

-Caric

"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
Message no. 4
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:17:03 +0000
> It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive 300km to
> buy few books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second edition.
>Next are StreetSamCatalog, SeattleSourcebook. All ...
Get the BBB, the StreetSam is nice, with a few useful things but you
don't need it, Seattle Sourcebook is quite useful if you want to play
in Seattle and for the European players the Germany Sourcebook is a
must, more or less, if it is the German version it's better 'cause
there are lots of nice toys in it!
--Raven



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Message no. 5
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:17:03 +0000
> Sounds good. Cybertech is good, but the Geramany sourcebook I would wait
> on. Find out what language it is in...I hear bad things about the German
> version. In fact I would forgo the seattle sourcebook in favor on the
> grimoire definately.
Hey Caric, what things are bad about the Germany book in german????
IMO its better than the english version (I prefer the originals) and
it has a few add-ons in it. I read the english version of that book
and still think the german one is far better (if you can do the
language)
--Raven



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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:58:29 +0100
mARCiN sERkIES said on 23:06/ 9 Jul 97...

> It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive
> 300km to buy few books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second
> edition. Next are StreetSamCatalog, SeattleSourcebook. All >

(See what happens when you don't hit enter? Now I'll have to copy & paste
to get the whole message in here...)

> SeattleSourcebook. All of them are used but in one piece... so should i
> buy all of them??? and next i can get cybertechnology and germany
> sourcebook so again should i have them???

If I were you I'd get at least SRII. Also get the Seattle Sourcebook if
your campaign will be set in Seattle; OTOH if you plan on setting it in
Germany (or Poland -- it's close enough to get ideas of what Poland would
be like in the 2050s), the Germany Sourcebook would be the obvious
choice.

The SSC is a tougher choice; the game stats for 99% of its items are in
SRII, but you get no descriptions or rules, and so that way you won't know
that a Predator II has a built-in smartlink, for example. If you don't
care about that, then Cybertech would be the obvious choice.

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:00:27 +0100
Raven said on 12:17/10 Jul 97...

> for the European players the Germany Sourcebook is a must, more or less,
> if it is the German version it's better 'cause there are lots of nice
> toys in it!

Most of the toys feel like the designers felt they had to make them
"better" than the ones in SRII for some reason. Many have higher magazine
capacities and much lighter weights than equivalent FASA weapons (the H&K
Urban Combat is one of the worst offenders -- an SMG for 1.75 kg, and
let's not forget its Concealability of 18 (!) against scanners).

However, the fact that it _is_ there might be a factor for buying this
book, plus of course that this is the original, whereas the FASA book is
rumored to have lost several things in the translation (the garden gnomes
joke is one of those, IIRC). It is, though, a lot more expensive; I
believe I paid more than 50 guilders (more than US$25) for the German
version, while the English edition would cost me about 15 guilders less.

Not to mention the artwork is only so-so, especially the color archetype
pictures and the equipment illustrations...

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Message no. 8
From: mARCiN sERkIES <yasiu@******.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:42:34 +0200
At 14:13 9.07.97 -0700, you wrote:
>| It`s me again with question about books... At friday i`m going to drive
>300km to buy few books. First that i`m sure i`ll buy is SR - second
>edition. Next are StreetSamCatalog, SeattleSourcebook. All of them are used
>but in one piece... so should i buy all of them??? and next i can get
>cybertechnology and germany sourcebook so again should i have them???

>Sounds good. Cybertech is good, but the Geramany sourcebook I would wait
>on. Find out what language it is in...I hear bad things about the German
>version. In fact I would forgo the seattle sourcebook in favor on the
>grimoire definately.

So i`ll buy BBB, cybertech and that Germany Sourcebook is in english.
I can`t buy grimoire now so maybe seattle???

yASIu...
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Message no. 9
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:21:29 -0700
| > Sounds good. Cybertech is good, but the Geramany sourcebook I would
wait
| > on. Find out what language it is in...I hear bad things about the
German
| > version. In fact I would forgo the seattle sourcebook in favor on the
| > grimoire definately.
| Hey Caric, what things are bad about the Germany book in german????
| IMO its better than the english version (I prefer the originals) and
| it has a few add-ons in it. I read the english version of that book
| and still think the german one is far better (if you can do the
| language)

Hmmm Raven I may have been mistaken. I know that there have been major
gripes about the Germany Sourcebook, but it may have been about the english
version...I have never seen the german version so I don't know. Over all
placec books tend to be not liked ny ppl who live in that place however so
who knows.

-Caric

"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
Message no. 10
From: Vaughn Wright <VWright765@***.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:01:56 -0400
I'd go ahead and get them. Rather than the Cybertechnology book you may want
to get the SR companion first. It to me is more of a core book than
Cybertechnology but the Germany sourcebook is excellant. Defineletly get it
before it goes ot of print.

Vaughn
Message no. 11
From: "... ..." <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:30:45 -1000
>place books tend not to be liked...
Why not send in to FASA for a 2nd ed place book, or errata. Maybe put in
your two cents when they announce that they're gonna make one?
Incidentally, aside from "Paradise Lost" and a brief mention in
"Underworld Sourcebook", IIRC, is there any info on Hawaii?
Message no. 12
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: books again
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:21:19 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-11 07:37:46 EDT, Brother-1@*****.NET writes:

> Why not send in to FASA for a 2nd ed place book, or errata. Maybe put in
> your two cents when they announce that they're gonna make one?
> Incidentally, aside from "Paradise Lost" and a brief mention in
> "Underworld Sourcebook", IIRC, is there any info on Hawaii?
>
House of the Sun, Nigel's last book, had some as well, but you'd have to be
careful, as he's not a "Canon" author. Of course, ALL of his stuff has been
incorporated into the game, so take it as you will...
-K
Message no. 13
From: "Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr." <gilmeth@*********.COM>
Subject: Books Again.
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:52:27 -0600
What is shadowbeat about. It is a book I do not have but, I can't find any
info on it.
Message no. 14
From: "Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr." <gilmeth@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Books Again.
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:33:03 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr. <gilmeth@*********.COM>


>What is shadowbeat about. It is a book I do not have but, I can't find any
>info on it.

Nevermind, I found a review...
Message no. 15
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Books Again.
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:35:46 -0700
At 15:52 01/02/98 -0600, you wrote:
>What is shadowbeat about. It is a book I do not have but, I can't find any
>info on it.

Shadowbeat covers Trideo, reporting, music, sports, simsense, and tons of
other fun stuff.
It doesn't get used often in an actual game, but I think it's a great book
for the world info it contains. If your players decide they want to play
reporters/rockers/sports stars, it's a near must, though.

-Adam

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Books Again.
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:36:09 +0100
Boyd Stephen Smith, Jr. said on 15:52/ 1 Feb 98...

> What is shadowbeat about. It is a book I do not have but, I can't find any
> info on it.

About the media and sports in the 2050s -- it has rules for playing
musicians, news reporters, simsense stars, urban brawlers, etc. plus
background material and gear for those professions.

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