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Message no. 1
From: Craig Rickel <crickel@***.EDU>
Subject: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:45:22 -0600
A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a quiver of
arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action), and
Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or greater, so
he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?

Second question: Same scenario, but this time he wants to move back two
meters first. Essentially, is moving a distance of your quickness or
less a free action?

Is it possible to quickdraw, and instead of firing, aiming?

Spider Murphy
Message no. 2
From: "Panther`" <qmilton@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:27:13 -0800
Craig Rickel wrote:
>
> A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a quiver of
> arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action), and
> Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or greater, so
> he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?

the only possible problem I see with this is that readying the weapon
includes nocking the arrow, which means the arrow is drawn as part of
readying the bow, therefore you *may* have to Quickdraw the arrow first,
denying yourself the opportunity to fire as part of the Quickdraw. Or,
alternatively, you may be able to skip the quickdraw altogether, in
which case you could just fire.

> Second question: Same scenario, but this time he wants to move back two
> meters first. Essentially, is moving a distance of your quickness or
> less a free action?

BBB, page 83, top of second column: "Movement in no way changes the
availability of Free, Simple, or Complex actions." The next paragraph
states that this rule applies to walking or running, so I would say that
it applies.

> Is it possible to quickdraw, and instead of firing, aiming?

I think it would be possible to aim as part of a quickdraw, since you
can only fire weapons that can be fired as a Simple action during a
quickdraw, and aiming is also a Simple action

Panther

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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:03:16 +0100
Craig Rickel said on 2:45/31 Jan 98...

> A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a quiver of
> arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action), and
> Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or greater, so
> he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?

IMHO this is possible. In effect he draws the arrow, put it on the bow,
draws, and releases all in one movement.

> Second question: Same scenario, but this time he wants to move back two
> meters first. Essentially, is moving a distance of your quickness or
> less a free action?

Sure. Moving is not an action, so he can do almost anything he wants that
the GM allows while walking. He just gets a TN modifier if he attempts a
test while moving.

> Is it possible to quickdraw, and instead of firing, aiming?

Quickdrawing, per the description of that action, is used to draw and
_shoot_ the weapon immediately, not draw and aim it, so IMHO you can't
quickdraw and then aim.

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Message no. 4
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:56:24 EST
In a message dated 98-01-31 03:40:10 EST, crickel@***.EDU writes:

> A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a quiver of
> arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action), and
> Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or greater, so
> he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?

According to the rules, the actual act of firing an Arrow is a Complex Action,
not a simple one. The "conceal 4" thing has me lost, sorry. What does
concealability of 4 or more have to do with rate of fire?

> Second question: Same scenario, but this time he wants to move back two
> meters first. Essentially, is moving a distance of your quickness or
> less a free action?

You can move a single step for a free action. In game mechanics, this is a
single meter, IIRC. You cannot move more than either half or all of your
quickness, as the number of free actions cannot exceed your Intelligence. I
just can't remember right now if it's half or full quickness, as that may be
part of the rules for "running/movement".

> Is it possible to quickdraw, and instead of firing, aiming?

Well, sure, but quickdrawing just to aim seems kind of strange, but I suppose
it could be done. It would probably be a really cool intimidation
trick..."why yes my friend just drew his bow faster than you drew your arrow
and even now he's getting a bead on your puny little head...do you wanna take
a chance that he'll release before you can pull?"

-K


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Message no. 5
From: Robert Cozens <RobCozens@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:07:25 -0500
Message text written by Shadowrun Discussion
>According to the rules, the actual act of firing an Arrow is a Complex
Action,
not a simple one. The "conceal 4" thing has me lost, sorry. What does
concealability of 4 or more have to do with rate of fire?<

One guesses that anything with a concealability of less than four is
concealed in such a way that it is impossible to access the item quicklt
enough to produce the fire rate required.
Message no. 6
From: Hernandez <hernandez@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:57:02 -0700
>In a message dated 98-01-31 03:40:10 EST, crickel@***.EDU writes:
>
>> A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a
quiver of
>> arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action),
and
>> Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or
greater, so
>> he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?


Not to familiar with all the rules yet, I'd still have to look in
the book to find the answer.
But, You can't really sling a bow over your shoulder. You can lay it
on your shoulder, or hold it in your hand.

I own a 60" Martin Recurve Bow. Once it is strung, there is no way
in hell I can sling that thing over my shoulder. So your best bet is
to already have it in hand. That should take care of some of the
problem.


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Message no. 7
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:13:07 PST
>> A character has a Ranger-X bow slung over his shoulder, and a quiver
of arrows at his hip. He wishes to: Ready the bow (simple action), and
Quickdraw an arrow (simple action). An arrow is conceal 4 or greater, so
he can. Does he also fire the arrow, as is done with pistols?
>>
>According to the rules, the actual act of firing an Arrow is a Complex
Action, not a simple one.
>

It Is? Never seen that. The "fire weapon" simple action description
explicitely mentions you can fire a bow that has a readied arrow. Thats
what I've always used.

>The "conceal 4" thing has me lost, sorry. What does
>concealability of 4 or more have to do with rate of fire?
>

It has to do with QUICKDRAW actions. Some SR2 versions mention that the
action can be used with conceal 4+ weapons only.

IMO, since the "Fire weapon" descrition explicitly states that the arrow
must have been readied, I'd say no quickdray to knock and fire arrows.
Elsewise, you could qickdraw twice, and fire TWO arrows per turn.
This type of manuever WOULD be legitmate if you had the physad quickdraw
POWER, however.


>> Is it possible to quickdraw, and instead of firing, aiming?


Not BTB (quickdraw is ALWAYS draw and fire, and only weapons that fire
as simple's- no full auto) , but it maybe should be. Then again, the
take aim action is useless if you take any other actions or use dice
pool. I'd say that rules out combining it with quickdraw. I'd probably
allow it with the physad power, however.


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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:38:23 +0100
J. Keith Henry said on 8:56/31 Jan 98...

> According to the rules, the actual act of firing an Arrow is a Complex Action,
> not a simple one. The "conceal 4" thing has me lost, sorry. What does
> concealability of 4 or more have to do with rate of fire?

Concealability 4 or higher is required to quickdraw a weapon.

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Message no. 9
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Bows and Actions
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:11:11 EST
In a message dated 98-02-01 05:37:33 EST, gurth@******.NL writes:

> > According to the rules, the actual act of firing an Arrow is a Complex
> Action,
> > not a simple one. The "conceal 4" thing has me lost, sorry. What
does
> > concealability of 4 or more have to do with rate of fire?
>
> Concealability 4 or higher is required to quickdraw a weapon.
>
Oh, okay, haven't read that one in a long time. ON page 82 in the BBB (yes,
the books are out, today is game day), the usage of Concealability is used
primarily to determine the object's size. I guess I can see this, except that
concealability and arrows don't make sense to begin with. At least, not in
most cases of arrows...I have yet to see any telescopic ones...

And if I make something camouflaged out accordingly, the concealability rating
goes up and therefore I can quick-draw it...Okay, give me that panzer from
your pocket...

sorry, had to put that last one in...I knew people once who would try this
based on this ruling...

-K

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