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Message no. 1
From: Janne Jalkanen <jalkanen@*********.CERN.CH>
Subject: Re: BrIEf History of Telecommunications, damnit!
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:39:06 +0200
On Tue, 26 Jul 1994, Ivy Ryan wrote:

> Not on WWIV. Said it LOOKED like a WWIV. I'm coming off a UNIX of some
> kind. I call it a BBS because
^^^^^^^^
Ahha! Almost missed that one. Your local UNIX machine can be called a
BBS, if that is what it is used for... I know of several ACTUAL BBSes who
have Internet feed and are capable for both news and mail... But the
Internet is no longer a BBS. You may see it that way, but to me the 'BBS
part' is just a little bit of it.

> (1) That's what it is being used for, and as.

I use my UNIX account to do LOT of other things than just emulating a
BBS (if exchanging mail is your idea of a BBS, if not, please try to
explain a bit more. We may have a definition problem here somewhere.)

(What on earth is a WWIV?)

>(2) The thing is as reliable as a 10cent watch (local UNIX crashes
> at least once a day)

Hm? I know of several PC's (running DOS/Windows/OS2/whatever), Macs and
Amigas that are connected to the Internet. UNIX ain't the only system
that can connect to the net. And frankly, you have an extremely bad
system. Most of the UNIX machines I know of (and have been the operator
to) crash maybe once/twice a year. Some not even that often.

> (3) The people on it are the same ones that used
> to hang around BBSs until they found their ways to this thing.

When I graduate and end up working with the same people I studied with,
I'm not gonna call my company an University (unless I actually end up
working in one :) ).

> (4) the thing is a huge example of the Citadel Net that runs (or ran)
> across america from NJ to CA around 1990.

The Internet existed already before that.

> I like to argue, J.D. But I expect reasoned responses too. Where is it
> different from a BBS? It's bigger, and it runs on bigger computers but
> it still works the same way. Maybe it's the dedicated lines? Nah, the
> people running home BBSs just can't afford those. It's more modern? It
> put a lot of BBSs out of business? IS that good? This thing _is_ the ne
> plus ultra of BBSs, that I will admit.

If you would kindly define your version of a BBS, then maybe we could get
some sense to this discussion. For me, the closest thing that resembles a
BBS on the Internet is the USENET.

I greatly suggest that you try WorldWideWeb or IRC. They have nothing to
do anymore with any sort of Bulletin Board System. IMNSHO. (Well, okay,
maybe the Web does. A little bit.)

> Ivy

(Now how the hell should I bind this back to SR... No idea... Sorry...)

Janne Jalkanen ///! For those who have to fight for it
jalkanen@******.cern.ch /// ! life has a flavor
Janne.Jalkanen@***.fi \\\/// ! the protected will never understand
-'Keep on going...' \XX/ ! (anonymous, Viet Nam, 1968)
Message no. 2
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: BrIEf History of Telecommunications, damnit!
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 16:03:07 -0500
> (What on earth is a WWIV?)

Heh. You asked a question that I can answer.

WWIV is a BBS program. Pretty good one, too...it's the original stan-
dard, and everyone copied it for their programs. Current version is 4.23, the
best part of it is that the source code comes with it when you register, and
mods are therefore simple...

Oh, and people with WWIV tend to be proud of it. Don't try getting
them to try any other program, in general...

(Oh, and there are a total of 3 separate networks for the thing too.
Pretty active place.)

-------------Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@********.uni.uiuc.edu-------------
"He's NOT a gibbering idiot - he's cured of gibbering, he's just an
idiot now." -- Jane, "Waiting for God"

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