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Message no. 1
From: Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
Subject: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:10:03 -0500
I was sitting at a computer today, when a fly landed on my arm. I shooed
it away, but I actually hit it! Imagine me sitting there thinking about
how I killed a true form fly! Anyway, I realized that with the
temperatures getting colder, and me living in north central Illinois,
what about the bugs in Chicago? Anybody have any ideas about bugs
getting slower, etc. in the winter?

-Court-killer-of-the-true-form-fly!

How did I get started doing that too?

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Message no. 2
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:52:06 -0700
<Snip>
< Anybody have any ideas about bugs getting slower, etc. in the winter?

Actually yes. If you have the threat book FASA decribes that the cooler
temps are having little to no effect on the Bugs. Although for those you you
who have read the "War Against the Chottor" perhaps a frezzer weapon might
prove useful?
Anybody have any idea on putting together stats for a weapon that shoots
supercooled liquid nitrogen or some other liquid gas perhaps helium. Any
chemistry majors insight would be helpful and appreciated.


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If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicley I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

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Message no. 3
From: Steven Ratkovich <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:27:00 -0500
>I was sitting at a computer today, when a fly landed on my arm. I shooed
>it away, but I actually hit it! Imagine me sitting there thinking about
>how I killed a true form fly! Anyway, I realized that with the
>temperatures getting colder, and me living in north central Illinois,
>what about the bugs in Chicago? Anybody have any ideas about bugs
>getting slower, etc. in the winter?
>
Well, it hasn't really been discussed in the books, but... I'd say maybe
the flesh forms would. After all, they are a physical isect hybrid... But,
they still have human in them too, which means it could go either way...
Maybe consider two factors here:

1) If tehy are mostly bug (w.e., a bad merge) then yes, I'd say tehy might
slow down. But a good merge wouldn't be effected much... and the more
intelligent bugs would put on sweates and coats (now there's an amusing
image...:))

2) Either way, I think that it would only slow them down a little... if
the cold would have bothered them THAT much, they would have invaded Miami
or somewhere warm...:)

Also, I would say that true forms wouldn't be affected at all...

Those, however, are just my assumptions and interpretations... Ignore them
if necessary...:)

>-Court-killer-of-the-true-form-fly!
>
>How did I get started doing that too?
>
Because, me and Caric do it...:):):)

-Bull-the-copying-Caric-and-getting-copied-by0-Court-decker-turned-GM
Message no. 4
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:35:16 -0700
Court Schuett wrote:
>
> I was sitting at a computer today, when a fly landed on my arm. I shooed
> it away, but I actually hit it! Imagine me sitting there thinking about
> how I killed a true form fly! Anyway, I realized that with the
> temperatures getting colder, and me living in north central Illinois,
> what about the bugs in Chicago? Anybody have any ideas about bugs
> getting slower, etc. in the winter?

There's a small post in Bug City regarding that idea, but nothing much
ever comes of it.
Think about this.
The flesh form bugs are at least partly metahuman.
If they get cold, they can put on a coat. :-)
The true forms can mainly exist on the astral plane, and since you can
astrally travel through fire, I'd have to say that there aren't any
temperature extremes in the astral, so no joy there.
In my campaign, I AM allowing the clod to hinder mainfest true forms,
but not by much.
Message no. 5
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:13:18 -0700
NightLife wrote:
>.....perhaps a frezzer weapon might
> prove useful?
> Anybody have any idea on putting together stats for a weapon that shoots
> supercooled liquid nitrogen or some other liquid gas perhaps helium. Any
> chemistry majors insight would be helpful and appreciated.


Well I'm no chem major..Although I did major in Chem for a short while..But
that is a diff story..However, this one has been done to death in the
past..And it all basically boiled down to..supercooled liquids tend to go
directly to a gaseous state at room temp instantly..This effectively prevents
their use as a freeze weapon..You would be better off creating a
Directable Microwave Weapon..The DMW would simply super heat the internal
fluids of a bug and they burst from the steam pressure..effectively
eliminating the opposition..And it can warm you burger as well..
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Lord, Grant Me The Serinity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serinity Prayer
Message no. 6
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:22:28 -0700
>Well I'm no chem major..Although I did major in Chem for a short while..But
>that is a diff story..However, this one has been done to death in the
>past..And it all basically boiled down to..supercooled liquids tend to go
>directly to a gaseous state at room temp instantly..This effectively prevents
>their use as a freeze weapon..You would be better off creating a
>Directable Microwave Weapon..The DMW would simply super heat the internal
>fluids of a bug and they burst from the steam pressure..effectively
>eliminating the opposition..And it can warm you burger as well..

What can I say I still kind of new. ;-)

The reason I asked is David Gerrold seemed to be on the mark with his ideas.
Beside frezzing cold gas could be nasty in and of itself.


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If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicley I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

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Message no. 7
From: Marty <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:43:31 +1000
> >.....perhaps a frezzer weapon might
> > prove useful?
> > Anybody have any idea on putting together stats for a weapon that shoots
> > supercooled liquid nitrogen or some other liquid gas perhaps helium. Any
> > chemistry majors insight would be helpful and appreciated.
>
>
[snip]
> And it all basically boiled down to..supercooled liquids tend to go
> directly to a gaseous state at room temp instantly.

Agreed... I am a chem major. (Bwahahahahahaha; explosives) It is
possible to pour liquid nitrogen over you hand and get no frost burns at all;
I've done it quite a few times... Just don't cup your hands. The nitrogen
forms a 'gas blanket' becsaue it vapourises so fast, and acts like a
hovecraft.

You need something else with an extremely high heat capacity and low
freezing point; Not things that are easy to find in any one substance.
The best thing I can think of would probably be refrigerator gases, like
Freon.

Bleach.
Message no. 8
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:27:58 -0700
> Agreed... I am a chem major. (Bwahahahahahaha; explosives) It is
> possible to pour liquid nitrogen over you hand and get no frost burns at all;
> I've done it quite a few times... Just don't cup your hands. The nitrogen
> forms a 'gas blanket' becsaue it vapourises so fast, and acts like a
> hovecraft.

Oh that's just silly! :-)
Pouring Liquid Nitro over your hands!!!!
Whatever possessed you to try it the first time?
I'll bet you used to climb on the roof during thunder storms and play
Thor too, didn't you?
(I did! :-))

On an SR note, how long will Liquid Nitro stay "fresh"?
What do you need to successfully store it?
My PC's are planning on using a LOT of it to wax someone.
Can they keep it for some time in a refridgerated tanker truck?
Please advise.

Steven A. Tinner
"Gently waft the fumes into your nostrils . . .Eeeeep!"
Message no. 9
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:14:20 -0700
>Agreed... I am a chem major. (Bwahahahahahaha; explosives) It is
>possible to pour liquid nitrogen over you hand and get no frost burns at all;
>I've done it quite a few times... Just don't cup your hands. The nitrogen
>forms a 'gas blanket' becsaue it vapourises so fast, and acts like a
>hovecraft.
>
>You need something else with an extremely high heat capacity and low
>freezing point; Not things that are easy to find in any one substance.
>The best thing I can think of would probably be refrigerator gases, like
>Freon.
>
>Bleach.

Ok thanks for the reply on that. How about a compound? Oh and in the
BWhahahah line you forgot to gesture evilly. Or put your hands on your hips
and tell the world of your manical plan. It in the supervillian code you
know. ;-)


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If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicley I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

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Message no. 10
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:41:11 +0100
In article <1.5.4.32.19961015035206.00676450@******.san.uc.edu>,
NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU> writes
[snip]
>Anybody have any idea on putting together stats for a weapon that shoots
>supercooled liquid nitrogen or some other liquid gas perhaps helium. Any
>chemistry majors insight would be helpful and appreciated.

No ideas on stats, but a good example of such a weapon can be found in
Predator II.. Used by Gary Busey I believe. :)

(Damn, there I go using a film reference again - sorry Nightlife) :) :)

Pete

--
Pete Sims
Statistics are often used as a drunk uses a light pole: For support rather than
illumination.
Message no. 11
From: Marty <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:15:55 +1000
> Oh that's just silly! :-)
> Pouring Liquid Nitro over your hands!!!!
> Whatever possessed you to try it the first time?
> I'll bet you used to climb on the roof during thunder storms and play
> Thor too, didn't you?
> (I did! :-))
>
I am a chemistry major; I have in the past made all kinds of explosives in
the labs. I when it comes to chemicals I know what I am doing. Liquid
Nitrogen boils way too quick to freeze your hand if it is poured on and
allowed to run off immediately. Just don't cup your hands, like I said.

BTW; DMSO is good stuff... I can get it by the litre *evil grin*

> On an SR note, how long will Liquid Nitro stay "fresh"?
> What do you need to successfully store it?
> My PC's are planning on using a LOT of it to wax someone.
> Can they keep it for some time in a refridgerated tanker truck?
> Please advise.

The stuff should stay 'fresh' indefinately....especially in a tanker
truck. You could just get a big thermos flask full of the stuff and store
that. They'll need a lot of the stuff to freeze the guy though.. gases
heat up real quick.
Message no. 12
From: Marty <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:17:43 +1000
> >You need something else with an extremely high heat capacity and low
> >freezing point; Not things that are easy to find in any one substance.
> >The best thing I can think of would probably be refrigerator gases, like
> >Freon.
> >
> >Bleach.
>
> Ok thanks for the reply on that. How about a compound? Oh and in the
> BWhahahah line you forgot to gesture evilly. Or put your hands on your hips
> and tell the world of your manical plan. It in the supervillian code you
> know. ;-)
>
The best I can think of is Freon; An organo-flouring compound. It'd have
to be pretty much the best because it's used... I'm still not sure how
much heat capacity it'd have.

Unfortunately the scene out of Demolition Man is just Hollywood smoke and
mirrors.
Message no. 13
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:16:12 +0100
In article <Pine.BSI.3.91.961015190722.29479A-100000@*****.ivcc.edu>,
Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU> writes
>I was sitting at a computer today, when a fly landed on my arm. I shooed
>it away, but I actually hit it! Imagine me sitting there thinking about
>how I killed a true form fly! Anyway, I realized that with the
>temperatures getting colder, and me living in north central Illinois,
>what about the bugs in Chicago? Anybody have any ideas about bugs
>getting slower, etc. in the winter?

Roaches, as far as I know don't slow down, those little buggers just
keep going as they will... :(

Flies, hmm, don't they die off or something in the extreme cold. I
can't ever recall seeing any flies in the winter, could be just poor
memory though.

Mantis, difficult, I seem to recall they are usually found in warmer
climes, so I should imagine that these would be slowed down
dramatically, probably up to the point where they could be dealt with
without committing suicide.

Wasps, they go into a state of torpor and sort of hibernate, much like
bees.

Flesh form: As they are partly, if not mostly human, they would
probably use the human instinct to keep warm, and either wear some form
of covering, or stick in places where it was warm, refineries, large
factories, power generating plants, depending on the appearance of the
form, the more human they appear, the less likely the need to hide.

True forms become rather twitchy, depending on whether they are fully
mainfested or primarily astral, if astral there would be no change, as
temperature is not reflected on the astral. Full manifests, see above
notes.

I suppose the easiest way to deal with most of the bugs would be to
treat them as larger versions of the natural kind, but then as they are
spirits, it may be different for them.... No, go with the natural bug,
borrow a book from the library, that should give you an idea what bugs
do in winter. And use this as reference material for the game. That's
pretty much what I do when I get stuck like this... And on that note,
must pop down to the library and borrow a book on Bugs :)

Pete
--
Pete Sims
Let he who takes the plunge remember to return it by Tuesday.
Message no. 14
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bugs in the cold.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:16:29 -0700
>No ideas on stats, but a good example of such a weapon can be found in
>Predator II.. Used by Gary Busey I believe. :)
>
>(Damn, there I go using a film reference again - sorry Nightlife) :) :)
>
Yeah that's what I figured it would probaly look like. But I was thinking
along "The war against the chootor(?)" books. I'll just have to get that
source book back and think on it. ;-)


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If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicley I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

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