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Message no. 1
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:54:21 -0400
Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;

>For simplicty's sake, let's also assume LL vis/Thermo cost 5 points each.
> This would mean that the BBB races cost a total of 15 race build points
>each. Divide that by 2 and you get 10, which just happens to be the cost
>of making a metahuman char ... nifty, huh?

Thermo does more than Low Light. Invisibility spells fail against
Thermo but works fine on Low Light. That's pretty major in my book.

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Message no. 2
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:45:10 -0500
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:54:21 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
>Once upon a time, Alfredo B Alves wrote;
>>For simplicty's sake, let's also assume LL vis/Thermo cost 5 points
each.
>> This would mean that the BBB races cost a total of 15 race build
points
>>each. Divide that by 2 and you get 10, which just happens to be the
cost
>>of making a metahuman char ... nifty, huh?

> Thermo does more than Low Light. Invisibility spells fail against
>Thermo but works fine on Low Light. That's pretty major in my book.
>
<SNIP Sig>
> I am MC23

and lowlight works fine through two-paned glass windows (the kind with a
vaccuum between the two panes for energy effeciency) but thermo doesn't
... I set Lowlight vision cost equal to Thermo because:

1) Every other place I can think of in SR sets the equal to each other
(cybereyes, scope, physad powers ...)
2) It makes calculating the cost easier :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:43:05 +0100
And verily, did Alfredo B Alves hastily scribble thusly...
|and lowlight works fine through two-paned glass windows (the kind with a
|vaccuum between the two panes for energy effeciency) but thermo doesn't
|... I set Lowlight vision cost equal to Thermo because:

Why doesn't thermo work against vacuum double glazing?
?????

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Message no. 4
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:05:06 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
>And verily, did Alfredo B Alves hastily scribble thusly...
>|and lowlight works fine through two-paned glass windows (the kind with a
>|vaccuum between the two panes for energy effeciency) but thermo doesn't
>|... I set Lowlight vision cost equal to Thermo because:
>
>Why doesn't thermo work against vacuum double glazing?


Hmm...I was going to answer this saying that it is an insulator, but does
the two paned glass windows have a vacuum? I thought they had air
in-between them. Whatever the answer is, the two-paned glass windows act as
an insulator, and thus could possibly mask the thermal signature of the
person being looked for.

Wraith
Message no. 5
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:44:58 -0500
>>Why doesn't thermo work against vacuum double glazing?
>
>
>Hmm...I was going to answer this saying that it is an insulator, but does
>the two paned glass windows have a vacuum? I thought they had air
>in-between them. Whatever the answer is, the two-paned glass
>windows act as an insulator, and thus could possibly mask the
>thermal signature of the person being looked for.

Forget double glazing. Ordinary glass, even a single pane, is opaque to
infrared. If you had the ability to see into the infrared, most windows
would "wash out" the colors you see that indicate heat. You can get
specially made glass that wouldn't do this, but you wont see it in
windows except maybe for expensive armored guardposts for cybered
or ork guards.

And, BTW, double glazed windows are filled with an inert gas, not a
vacuum.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:26:13 -0500
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:44:58 -0500 Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
writes:
>>>Why doesn't thermo work against vacuum double glazing?

>>Hmm...I was going to answer this saying that it is an insulator, but
does
>>the two paned glass windows have a vacuum? I thought they had air
>>in-between them. Whatever the answer is, the two-paned glass
>>windows act as an insulator, and thus could possibly mask the
>>thermal signature of the person being looked for.

>Forget double glazing. Ordinary glass, even a single pane, is opaque to
>infrared. If you had the ability to see into the infrared, most windows
>would "wash out" the colors you see that indicate heat. You can get
>specially made glass that wouldn't do this, but you wont see it in
>windows except maybe for expensive armored guardposts for cybered
>or ork guards.

Orks have Low light vision, Dwarves and Trolls have Thermo :)

>And, BTW, double glazed windows are filled with an inert gas, not a
>vacuum.
>
>Double-Domed Mike

Oops :) makes sense. Thanks for straightening all that out. I (barely)
remember this stuff from a piece on energy effecient homes in Popular
Science that I read half a dozen or more years ago ... :)

D.Ghost
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Message no. 7
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:11:02 -0400
Once upon a time, Mike Elkins wrote;

>>>Why doesn't thermo work against vacuum double glazing?
>>
>>
>>Hmm...I was going to answer this saying that it is an insulator, but does
>>the two paned glass windows have a vacuum? I thought they had air
>>in-between them. Whatever the answer is, the two-paned glass
>>windows act as an insulator, and thus could possibly mask the
>>thermal signature of the person being looked for.
>
>Forget double glazing. Ordinary glass, even a single pane, is opaque to
>infrared. If you had the ability to see into the infrared, most windows
>would "wash out" the colors you see that indicate heat. You can get
>specially made glass that wouldn't do this, but you wont see it in
>windows except maybe for expensive armored guardposts for cybered
>or ork guards.
>
>And, BTW, double glazed windows are filled with an inert gas, not a
>vacuum.

OK guys, Natural Thermo is on full time but not pure Thermo, it is
in tandem with natural (ROYGBIV) light. A Window isn't going to stop a
Dwarf from seeing outside, it will just look odd with out the heat
signatures. Other uses of Thermo are exclusive visions and are selective
in use (on or off).
I still stand by opinion that natural Thermo being better than
natural Low Light. Lowlight gives so little extra information in
comparison.

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more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
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it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Building Races
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:27:08 +0100
And verily, did Wraith hastily scribble thusly...
|Hmm...I was going to answer this saying that it is an insulator, but does
|the two paned glass windows have a vacuum? I thought they had air
|in-between them. Whatever the answer is, the two-paned glass windows act as
|an insulator, and thus could possibly mask the thermal signature of the
|person being looked for.

Correct, a vacuum is an insulator. All an insulator does is prevent
CONDUCTION of energy however.

Thermal imaging is based on Infra-red RADIATION , and an insulator
will *NOT* stop that.

Remember your basic science classes.
3 ways to transfer heat... Conduction, Convection, and Radiation.
(You still feel the heat of the sun through double glazing remember)

A special coating on a window that allows visible
light to pass but absorbs/reflects IR would work though....
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