| From: | Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK> |
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| Subject: | Bye. Was RE: Magic in society & Magic and the Law. |
| Date: | Mon, 17 Nov 1997 03:57:50 +0000 |
post from D. Thompson on the list that makes a lot of sense, and yet
still contains points that can be argued from a different point of view,
and using the core rules of the game system.
However.
As he so rightly states in the post, The argument is pointless, even
though I personally found it interesting.
It's one of those things where there is no way we are going to agree.
In my opinion, Mages are extremely rare. Most people will not ever meet
one, and only know of them through the media. Not my opinion, but that
of the creators of Shadowrun.
The argument is gravitating towards a "no you don't/yes you do" series
of posts, which is self defeating, very shortly they'll reduce to
contradictions and insults. Which is not the way I want to see this
thread go.
As David so rightly states. My opinion in no way matches his or
Jeremiah's. However, it has been interesting arguing with them, and
maybe some people here agree with me, and some disagree with me. Maybe
- as I hope, this thread has brought to the attention of others some of
the contradictions and problems with magic in Shadowrun. Not the
existence of magic in itself, but the over-riding quantity of magic in
the game.
I can quote chapter and verse from the sourcebooks to my heart's
content, and I'm sure that with dilligent searching, other paragraphs
can be found to argue those I use, making the thread a Monty Python
sketch.
In my own humble opinion (OK, maybe it's not as humble as I might think)
<g> This thread has come to an end for me. I _cannot_ agree with the
definitions that Jeremiah and David use concerning Magicians in
Shadowrun. Whether it be their integration into Society, or their
physical numbers.
I will, honourably admit that I can entertain that my view is not the
view of everyone. I'm not that arrogant. Not yet anyway. However, I
still stand by the arguments posted into this thread, and can only offer
the sourcebooks themselves as vindication for my arguments.
That is not to say that David, Jeremiah, or others are wrong in their
interpretation. Because in the end that's what it's all about isn't it?
Interpretation.
I interpret the rules in the Shadowrun system differently to the way
some others do. That's the fun of this list. Discussing things with
people who have a different view. And that is also part of the reason
why I'm now leaving this thread. Not because I have lost an argument.
I haven't. You can't _lose_ a theoretical argument based upon
interpretation of rules in a book. The same as you can't "win" such an
argument, so neither do I claim victory.
It would be nice to continue the discussion, but in all honesty, I have
the horrid feeling it is likely to end up as a destructive rather than
constructive argument.
Hopefully some of my ideas concerning the rules, and magic in general
have given some people workable ideas. I know I've gained a few from
this thread.
One day, I'll probably have much the same argument again, but hopefully
not before the end of _next_ year... <grin>
"I" only want one long drawn out discussion once a year, the rest can be
nice casual posts. <snigger>
However. If there are people who want to continue this discussion, and
promise _not_ to start flaming or become abusive to each other, we can
either take it to another list, where it won't bore the tears out of
people (I know one that is suitable for this sort of "theoretical"
argument) or to private mail.
I want to take a moment to apologise to Darkblade. I may have been a
teeny bit more short with my post to him than I intended. Sorry, no
offence was meant... (Assuming he didn't follow my advice, and can
actually read this post.) :)
Anyway. Thanks everybody, for an interesting and energetic discussion.
However, it's 4 am here, and I'm off to do something else with my life
for a while.
It's been fun, it's been entertaining, it's been interesting. but, I'm
gonna pull out of it now. And I still disagree <grin>
Bye guys (and gals).
Catch you all later.
Oh yeah, and never forget...
The government can be trusted. The government is your friend. Trust in
the government. The government knows what is best for you.
--
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