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Message no. 1
From: naughty@********.com.au naughty@********.com.au
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:24:05 -0700
Graht wrote:
>Insect spiders are invading the city, or a neighborhood. Someone
hires the
>runners to find a missing person. The person is being used
as a host for
>the insect spiders (stuffed inside a cactus and placed in full
view in some
>upscale place). The runners may or may not be able to save
the missing
>person. However, they definitely have to deal with the insect
spirits once
>the spirits find out that someone is on to them.

One small problem - spiders aren't insects (you need a can of
"f*** those arachnid bastards right off"). I *think* in one of
the source books it even says that PCs can be spider shamans,
even though it explicitly says that PCs cannot be insect
shamans.

Cheers,
Jon.

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:50:33 +0200
According to naughty@********.com.au, at 14:24 on 17 Aug 00, the word on
the street was...

> One small problem - spiders aren't insects

It's no use pointing that out on this list -- believe me, I've tried. More
than once... :)

> I *think* in one of the source books it even says that PCs can be spider
> shamans, even though it explicitly says that PCs cannot be insect
> shamans.

Bug City has stats for a Spider totem. However, the adventure Total
Eclipse (better spend your money on something else than this junk,
though...) has an NPC shaman whose totem is Spider, and it makes him do
all kinds of creepy things; not like an insect shaman, but not he's not
"normal" either.

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Message no. 3
From: Spike spike1@****.freenet.co.uk
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:50:10 +0100 (BST)
And verily, didst Gurth babble thusly...
> Bug City has stats for a Spider totem. However, the adventure Total
> Eclipse (better spend your money on something else than this junk,
> though...) has an NPC shaman whose totem is Spider, and it makes him do
> all kinds of creepy things; not like an insect shaman, but not he's not
> "normal" either.

Let's not forget the Bob Charrett novels...
"Choose your enemies carefully" is the main one that pits Twist against
Spider, I think...

Spider is represented as totally creepy in that one, and there's a lot of
"catching poeple in her web of deceit" type stuff.

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:33:42 +0200
According to Spike, at 11:50 on 18 Aug 00, the word on the street was...

> Let's not forget the Bob Charrett novels...
> "Choose your enemies carefully" is the main one that pits Twist against
> Spider, I think...

The reason I didn't mention that is because I've never read those
novels... It's on my "to do" list, but I need to find a place that
sells them first. (I could also have said "Because novels aren't canon as
far as game rules are concerned," but I won't ;)

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Message no. 5
From: Lars Wagner Hansen l-hansen@*****.tele.dk
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:57:34 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Spike <spike1@****.freenet.co.uk>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Cactus idea


> And verily, didst Gurth babble thusly...
> > Bug City has stats for a Spider totem. However, the adventure Total
> > Eclipse (better spend your money on something else than this junk,
> > though...) has an NPC shaman whose totem is Spider, and it makes him do
> > all kinds of creepy things; not like an insect shaman, but not he's not
> > "normal" either.
>
> Let's not forget the Bob Charrett novels...
> "Choose your enemies carefully" is the main one that pits Twist against
> Spider, I think...
>
> Spider is represented as totally creepy in that one, and there's a lot of
> "catching poeple in her web of deceit" type stuff.

"Choose your enemies carefully" is a must read before you read/GM Total
Eclipse.
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The spirit that the spider shaman is trying ot summon, is the spirit that
Sam accidentally releases in Australia in the book.

Lars
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Message no. 6
From: Josh Harrison mataxes@****.net
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:20:07 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Wagner Hansen <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk>
> "Choose your enemies carefully" is a must read before you read/GM Total
> Eclipse.
>
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> S
> P
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> The spirit that the spider shaman is trying ot summon, is the spirit that
> Sam accidentally releases in Australia in the book.

Not exactly. It is *one* of many spirits that escaped from the Astral
"holding cell" in (IIRC) Ayer's Rock. The novel states fairly clearly that
there was more than one spirit there (and I'm pretty sure more than one
escaped). Plus, Total Eclipse says that the spirit is *one* of the ones that
escaped (read the intro to its stats at the back of the adventure).

While "Find Your Own Truth" (that's the actual novel they are released in --
the third in the series) is connected to "Total Eclipse" it is hardly
required reading to run the adventure.

-- Josh
Message no. 7
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:18:56 GMT
>From: naughty@********.com.au
>Graht wrote:
> >Insect spiders are invading the city, or a neighborhood. Someone
>hires the
> >runners to find a missing person. The person is being used
>as a host for
> >the insect spiders (stuffed inside a cactus and placed in full
>view in some
> >upscale place). The runners may or may not be able to save
>the missing
> >person. However, they definitely have to deal with the insect
>spirits once
> >the spirits find out that someone is on to them.
>
>One small problem - spiders aren't insects (you need a can of
>"f*** those arachnid bastards right off"). I *think* in one of
>the source books it even says that PCs can be spider shamans,
>even though it explicitly says that PCs cannot be insect
>shamans.

Same difference; a mentally unstable Spider shaman summons a load of spirits
who take the form of spiders, along with a few of his own pets and threatens
Seattle.

Phil

Let us assume we have a can opener.
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Message no. 8
From: Andrew Gryphon webmaster@*********.com
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:16:16 -0500
on 8/18/00 4:50 AM, Gurth at gurth@******.nl e-scribed:

> Bug City has stats for a Spider totem. However, the adventure Total
> Eclipse (better spend your money on something else than this junk,
> though...) has an NPC shaman whose totem is Spider, and it makes him do
> all kinds of creepy things; not like an insect shaman, but not he's not
> "normal" either.

I don't have Bug City, but I *do* have my own stats on some insect totems,
including spider. The one in Total Eclipse is just wrong, no matter what you
use. I wrote a different scenario I'll post sometime with a Spider Shawoman
(now *there's* an ignorant etymological blunder!).

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http://www.Wyrmworks.com
Taking Role-Playing to the next level
Message no. 9
From: Andrew Gryphon webmaster@*********.com
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:18:01 -0500
on 8/18/00 1:33 PM, Gurth at gurth@******.nl e-scribed:

> I need to find a place that
> sells them first. (I could also have said "Because novels aren't canon as
> far as game rules are concerned," but I won't ;)

3 words: Inter-Library Loan. Okay, that's 2. Go to your local library and
ask if you can get the book via ILL. You may have to pay a buck for
shipping, depending on the library, but at least you can read it, then.

Of course, that's an American thing. Not sure if the Netherlands (.nl?) has
that or not.

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Message no. 10
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Cactus idea
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:54:32 +0200
According to Andrew Gryphon, at 0:18 on 22 Aug 00, the word on the street
was...

> 3 words: Inter-Library Loan. Okay, that's 2. Go to your local library and
> ask if you can get the book via ILL. You may have to pay a buck for
> shipping, depending on the library, but at least you can read it, then.
>
> Of course, that's an American thing. Not sure if the Netherlands (.nl?) has
> that or not.

Yes, it has something similar. No, it probably won't work with SR novels.
That is to say, in my local library's computerized catalog are plenty of
titles marked "Not available in this library" which means it can be
ordered from another. But there are no game novels in it as far as I've
been able to determine. (In fact, about 50% of the books I'd like to read
aren't in said catalog...)

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