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Message no. 1
From: Silvio Sampietro <cyric@*****.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:10:00 MET
In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
spell?....????
What the frag can he do while manifesting?? Ne1 got some answers out there?
I really would appreciate that *grin*
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Message no. 2
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:04:42 -0800
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Silvio Sampietro wrote:

> In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
> they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
> speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
> rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
> spell?....????
> What the frag can he do while manifesting?? Ne1 got some answers out there?
> I really would appreciate that *grin*
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> |Silvio Sampietro | >>>>>[Believe it or not, |

I don't know about actaul SRII rules, but it was/is my understadning that
a projecting mage can manifest an "image" of himself on the physical
plane. Just treat it as if he's (or she's, sorry ladies) still completely
astral, but just visible on the physical plane and can speak to people
etc.. (I think it was a SRI rule, or comment or something)...

End result, no affecting anything on the physical plane, just passive
stuff..

~Tim
Message no. 3
From: Peter Bailey <pbailey@***.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 07:50:55 -0800
Hi Silvio,

> In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
> they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
> speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
> rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
> spell?....????

I can't find the rule off hand, but YES an astrally projecting mage
can manifest sufficiently on the physical plane for people to see
him/her/it and hear what he/she/it wishes to say. The projecting mage
can influence the physical in no other way. This is an actual FASA
rule, I just can't find it off hand.

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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:13:31 +0000
|
|Hi Silvio,
|
|> In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
|> they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
|> speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
|> rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
|> spell?....????
|
|I can't find the rule off hand, but YES an astrally projecting mage
|can manifest sufficiently on the physical plane for people to see
|him/her/it and hear what he/she/it wishes to say. The projecting mage
|can influence the physical in no other way. This is an actual FASA
|rule, I just can't find it off hand.

Just think of the astral mage as a watcher...
That's the best analogy I can think of....
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Message no. 5
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:16:36 -0700
> > What the frag can he do while manifesting?? Ne1 got some answers out there?
> > I really would appreciate that *grin*

> I don't know about actaul SRII rules, but it was/is my understadning that
> a projecting mage can manifest an "image" of himself on the physical
> plane. Just treat it as if he's (or she's, sorry ladies) still completely
> astral, but just visible on the physical plane and can speak to people
> etc.. (I think it was a SRI rule, or comment or something)...

> End result, no affecting anything on the physical plane, just passive
> stuff..

Yeah, its in the Grimmy, I don't have it handy though. When a projecting
mage or shaman manifests, the CANNOT affect anything physical, they can
just be seen and heard.

-Tom-
Message no. 6
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:56:44 +0000
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Robert Pendergrast (Tom) wrote:

> Yeah, its in the Grimmy, I don't have it handy though. When a projecting
> mage or shaman manifests, the CANNOT affect anything physical, they can
> just be seen and heard.

However it was brought up on the list a while back whether an astrally
projecting mage who manifests visibly would set of an electris eye alarm
by breaking the light beam.

The overall opinion was that it depended on whether you believed mages
were truly creating a visible presence on the physical plane (in which
case the electric eye thing would work), or whether they were more like a
mana illusion and insinuated themselves upon the minds of onlookers who
_interpretted_ that insinuation as a manifested visible form.

This latter opinion also brought up the question whether a mage could
select exactly who could see and hear him -a bit like Al in Quantum Leap
:)

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"So that which I imagine, is that which I believe" -Rush
Shadowrun Web Site http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun.html
Message no. 7
From: MENARD Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:30:50 -0500
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Silvio Sampietro wrote:

> In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
> they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
> speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
> rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
> spell?....????
> What the frag can he do while manifesting?? Ne1 got some answers out there?
> I really would appreciate that *grin*
Yes, he can create an image of his astral self visible on the physical
plane. However, he is very limited. he can speak, but thats about all. He
himself stays in astral space, meaning he still sees only through astral
senses, and hear using the astral equivalent of hearing, meaning he hears
the meaning of the phrase, not the words themselves.

I seem to remember reading the official ruling on this in the main
book, but thay may date back to 1st ed.
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Message no. 8
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:16:31 +0000
On 7 Dec 96 at 1:10, Silvio Sampietro wrote:

> In several books I read (Dead Air, Burning Bright) mages can manifest when
> they r astrally projecting. Not manifest totally but at least they can
> speak and stuff. My question is...r there any rules for it (even house
> rules)? Can a manifesting mage attack an astrally not active char with a
> spell?....????
> What the frag can he do while manifesting?? Ne1 got some answers out there?
> I really would appreciate that *grin*
Grimoire p. 86, "Astral Projection".
Grim, p.86: ''Also, an astrally projecting character can become visible on the
physical plane if he wishes. Once visible, he can speak to people on the
physical plane. However, he cannot touch physical things, cast spells at them,
or in any other way directly influence the physical world. He can still only
affect other astrally active beings.''

Sascha
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Message no. 9
From: Loki <loki@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Can a mage who is astrally projecting manifest?
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:20:47 -0000
> Yes, he can create an image of his astral self visible on the physical
> plane. However, he is very limited. he can speak, but thats about all. He
> himself stays in astral space, meaning he still sees only through astral
> senses, and hear using the astral equivalent of hearing, meaning he hears
> the meaning of the phrase, not the words themselves.

Actually he can hear the voice of a living person just fine. He an't heard
a recorded voice though. What your decribing is if he were trying to read a
book, he could see the words, he'd just get the feeling of the emotional
content.

@>--,--'--- Loki

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