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Message no. 1
From: Warren Noe booster_gold@*******.com
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:00:14 EDT
Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award force
points?
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Message no. 2
From: Peter Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:14:13 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Warren Noe wrote:

> Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award force
> points?

Well, you need a spell formula first of all. When you have got that you
can learn the spell. So, I'm pretty sure you can't raise the force of a
spell, but you can always learn one at a higher force, and as you can
cast any spell on any force up to the learned force you could say you
raised it. Just donīt forget that spell formula.

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Message no. 3
From: Reika ladyreika@*********.com
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:42:26 -0700
Warren Noe wrote:
>
> Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award force
> points?

IIRC in SR3 there's a provision that you can re-learn a spell to up the
force of the spell, you basically have either find/buy/steal/design the
spell you want to relearn, then learn it as if it was a new spell, then
pay the difference in the karma cost between the old force and the new
force.
Sorry I don't have the page number offhand, I'm too lazy to dig out my
book :)

Reika
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:53:54 +0200
According to Warren Noe, at 11:00 on 2 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award force
> points?

By the book, you can only increase the Force of a spell by re-learning it
at a higher Force, at the full TN and Karma cost. So, if you know
Invisibility at Force 2 and want to upgrade it to Force 5, you'll have to
roll against a TN of 10 and pay 5 Good Karma for it.

This does not make much sense to me, especially not if you know that some
sources mention that magicians in training are taught low-Force spells. So
why don't all magicians know plenty of spells at Force 1 or 2 and also at
Force 5 or 6?

Anyway, I use a house rule that says you subtract the Force at which you
already know the spell from both the TN and the Karma cost. For example,
upgrading from Force 2 to Force 5 would cost 3 Good Karma, and you roll
against a TN of 8 to learn it.

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Message no. 5
From: Warren Noe booster_gold@*******.com
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:46:45 EDT
Hey thanks Gurth I think I'm going to use that house rule you were talking
about.


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>According to Warren Noe, at 11:00 on 2 May 00, the word on the street
>was...
>
> > Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award
>force
> > points?
>
>By the book, you can only increase the Force of a spell by re-learning it
>at a higher Force, at the full TN and Karma cost. So, if you know
>Invisibility at Force 2 and want to upgrade it to Force 5, you'll have to
>roll against a TN of 10 and pay 5 Good Karma for it.
>
>This does not make much sense to me, especially not if you know that some
>sources mention that magicians in training are taught low-Force spells. So
>why don't all magicians know plenty of spells at Force 1 or 2 and also at
>Force 5 or 6?
>
>Anyway, I use a house rule that says you subtract the Force at which you
>already know the spell from both the TN and the Karma cost. For example,
>upgrading from Force 2 to Force 5 would cost 3 Good Karma, and you roll
>against a TN of 8 to learn it.
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
> But it's obviously a dream, as I'm waiting for that beam...
> --Millencollin, "Vulcan Ears"
>-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
>->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
>
>GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ UL P L+ E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
> PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
> Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
>
>

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Message no. 6
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:22:33 GMT
>From: "Warren Noe" <booster_gold@*******.com>
>
>Can you use karma to raise spell forses, or is there a way to award force
>points?

I allow magicians to raise the force of spells by paying the difference in
karma despite what the book says. However, unless you can find a GM as kind
as me :), no, you can't.

Phil
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Message no. 7
From: Warren Noe booster_gold@*******.com
Subject: Can you use good karma to raise your force, of spells?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:07:24 EDT
From: "Phil Smith" <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>

I allow magicians to raise the force of spells by paying the
difference in karma despite what the book says. However, unless you can find
a GM as kind as me :), no, you can't.
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I might do that to, I am going to DM and we just are now trying to get the
jist of it down thats why I asked is for my players. So thanks for the Reply
Phil
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