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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Mon Jul 29 21:35:01 2002
I'm doing an Earthdawn Shadowrun cross over to do with the Orkish
Nation of Cara Fhad. Looking at the map of Barsaive and how closely it
matches the map of east europe, it seems that Cara Fahd was where
Romania is. I've looked for info on Romania in Shadowrun but cannot find
any. I have found a bit on Turkey, but none on Romania.
So if anyone could help me with how Romania would be in SR that would
be great.
Also, if someone could double check the position of Cara Fahd, then
that would be great as well.
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Benjamin John Hayes)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Mon Jul 29 23:55:01 2002
-------------------
> I'm doing an Earthdawn Shadowrun cross over to do with the Orkish
> Nation of Cara Fhad. Looking at the map of Barsaive and how closely
it
> matches the map of east europe, it seems that Cara Fahd was where
> Romania is. I've looked for info on Romania in Shadowrun but cannot
find
> any. I have found a bit on Turkey, but none on Romania.
> So if anyone could help me with how Romania would be in SR that
would
> be great.
> Also, if someone could double check the position of Cara Fahd,
then
> that would be great as well.

Apart from position stuff, there is already a very vague mention of it
in Shadowrun. In Dunkie's will, there is the book containing an
ancient Ork language, given I believe to a Robert Page (?), and in the
Cara Fahd sourcebook for Earthdawn, it mentions that the book is being
given to Throal library, and the Great dragons Mountainshadow and
Icewing, and Mountainshadow is believed to be Dunkelzahn. Thus the
book may be about Cara Fahd.

Ben the Chunky Dwarf
TDoW
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Wed Jul 31 10:25:01 2002
From: "Bryan Pow" <powbr323@*******.otago.ac.nz>
> So if anyone could help me with how Romania would be in SR that would
> be great.

Officially there has been only one reference about Romania:
http://www.divnull.com/lward/sixthworld/europe/romania.html

Lars
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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Wed Jul 31 18:35:01 2002
>Officially there has been only one reference about Romania:
>http://www.divnull.com/lward/sixthworld/europe/romania.html

Which basically only says that Romania broke into city states along with
France, Itally and the rest of south east europe. Is there anything on
Romania or the area in any sourcebooks? Maybe one of the German ones or
another european one?
I'm guessing there isn't, so
What is Romania like at the moment, what would it be like in 2062, and how
hard would it be for a large military force of Orks and Trolls to take over
the area?

--
"No grand idea was ever born in a conference, but alot of foolish ideas have
died there."
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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Thu Aug 1 04:40:01 2002
>From: "Bryan Pow" <bryan_pow@*******.com>
>>Officially there has been only one reference about Romania:
>>http://www.divnull.com/lward/sixthworld/europe/romania.html
>
>Which basically only says that Romania broke into city states along with
>France, Itally and the rest of south east europe. Is there anything on
>Romania or the area in any sourcebooks? Maybe one of the German ones or
>another european one?
>I'm guessing there isn't, so
> What is Romania like at the moment, what would it be like in 2062, and
>how hard would it be for a large military force of Orks and Trolls to take
>over the area?

Maybe that's another thing that they SOTA writers are keeping close to their
chests...

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Thu Aug 1 05:25:02 2002
According to Bryan Pow, on Thu, 01 Aug 2002 the word on the street was...

> What is Romania like at the moment, what would it be like in 2062, and
> how hard would it be for a large military force of Orks and Trolls to
> take over the area?

If it broke up into a large number of small, independent states, there are
IMHO a few ways this could go: one is that the invaders (I assume that's
what they are) would have to conquer each state individually, making for a
very long and difficult war, in which they have to leave a lot of troops in
the conquered areas as garrissons. Another is that the states unite against
the invaders (or form two groups: one fighting with and one against the
invaders); this could also easily get into a very long and bloody war, but
it wouldn't need as many garrissons. Yet another possibility is that the
same thing happened that did in Afghanistan recently: the more powerful
states will fight, but the others will go with whoever seems to be on the
winning hand; this way, after a few of the powerful states are defeated,
the rest will follow easily. You'd have to look into Romanian culture and
background to figure out which is most likely, I suppose.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gak The Great)
Subject: Cara Fahd and Romania
Date: Thu Aug 1 07:15:01 2002
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Pow
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:37 AM
> To: shadowrn@*********.com
> Subject: Re: Cara Fahd and Romania
>
>
> >Officially there has been only one reference about Romania:
> >http://www.divnull.com/lward/sixthworld/europe/romania.html
>
> Which basically only says that Romania broke into city states along
with
> France, Itally and the rest of south east europe. Is there anything on

> Romania or the area in any sourcebooks? Maybe one of the German ones
or
> another european one?
> I'm guessing there isn't, so
> What is Romania like at the moment, what would it be like in 2062,
and how
> hard would it be for a large military force of Orks and Trolls to take
over
> the area?
>

There probably would already be a couple of city states, maybe even a
federation of some kind, who are ruled by trolls/orcs, much like the
"Trollkönigreich Schwarzwald"
(http://www.amurgsval.org/shadowrun/TrollKingdom.html) on a smaller
(since the region is so poor today, poorer?) scale. I have no real idea
of the Euro Wars, but wasn't Romania also occupied by the islamists or
whoever? If so, they are probably just sorting things out, trying to
find out who comes up top, and a city state with a fighting force
consisting mostly of orcs and trolls should be a remarkable force there,
even more so if its an alliance.

-- GAK THE GREAT
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