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Message no. 1
From: Will <UGCOTTRE@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:56:51 EDT
I've been away for a while so I've missed some posts but I don't think
this topic was covered.

How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
the UCAS?

Please no flames from the Southerners on the list. I currently reside in
North Carolina and live the majority of my life below the Manson-Nixon
line. I know for a fact that there is still some hostility (most of it
verbal thankfully) between the "Rebs" and the "Yanks" down here and
just
wanted to know whether the Awakening might have down anything to change
the matter, i.e. end the north/south feudor escalate hostility levels.

Your thoughts and comments are greatly apreciated,

Will Cottrell
Message no. 2
From: "Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:02:27 -0500
>How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
>South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
>taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
>the UCAS?

Well, without giving away too much of an article in progress, people in
Nashville refer to Northerners as mucus. Rhymes with UCAS, doncha know. And
there are Humanis around, but with Memphis having a black mayor, not as
predominant in government as you might think.

>wanted to know whether the Awakening might have down anything to change
>the matter, i.e. end the north/south feudor escalate hostility levels.

Far as I'm concerned, the second secession solved a lot of that. Finally
got them damyankees to realize we didn't want to be part of their country.

:)

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Message no. 3
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@************.ORG>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:10:54 -0400
On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Will wrote:

> How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
> South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
> taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
> the UCAS?

Truth be known, slavery had very little to do with the seccession
of what became the Confederate States of America. It's possible that
Humanis is more popular down south than it is in the UCAS, but that's more
for historical reasons than anything else (IMHO).

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Message no. 4
From: Walter Stim <wstim%avma27@*************.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:48:21 CDT
Andrew,

Are you producing something for FASA or some other
publication? If so, what other publication and could you post
your article here?

Michael Stim
Message no. 5
From: "Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:28:51 -0500
> Are you producing something for FASA or some other
>publication? If so, what other publication and could you post
>your article here?

I'm working on it for Shadowland, which is a licensed third-party magazine
for Shadowrun. It's run by Sword of the Knight Publications, publishers of
Earthdawn Journal, and is intended as a replacement for Ka*Ge. Sorry, but
since i'm writing it for money, I can't post it on the list. I can suggest
that you send email to swrdknght@***.com and get a subscription to EDJ and
Shadowland. The article hasn't been submitted for publication yet, so I
don't know if it's going to fly. Any parts that are rejected, yes, I'll
post to the list, just like I do for Earthdawn.

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Message no. 6
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:41:29 EST5
"Andrew" == Andrew W Ragland <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU> writes:

Andrew> Well, without giving away too much of an article in progress,
Andrew> people in Nashville refer to Northerners as mucus. Rhymes with
Andrew> UCAS, doncha know. And there are Humanis around, but with
Andrew> Memphis having a black mayor, not as predominant in government
Andrew> as you might think.

the strong implication i had gotten that was with metahumans around
people weren't paying as much attention to skin color. black, white,
green, so long as you ain't no ork.

k.
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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:09:54 +0200
>How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
>South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
>taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
>the UCAS?

Quite the opposite, if I remember the NAGNA well enough. The government at
least is pro-metahuman, from what I remember.

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:27:49 +0200
>the strong implication i had gotten that was with metahumans around
>people weren't paying as much attention to skin color. black, white,
>green, so long as you ain't no ork.

And no native American. At least, AFA Humanis and Alamos 20000 (strange
name, don't you think?) are concerned. Still I would think these kinds of
folks would be biassed against more or less everybody...

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Message no. 9
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:58:21 +0930
Will wrote:
>
> I've been away for a while so I've missed some posts but I don't think
> this topic was covered.
>
> How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
> South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
> taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
> the UCAS?

Let me take this one at a time:

Slavery: nope. They still abide by the Constitution of the US, by and large
(even up to the point of allowing Texas to secede whenever they want).

Humanis: Doubt it...

The "Damn Yankees": No. The secession of the Southern states was largely a
peaceful affair, brought about by the refusal of the Southern States to
merge with Canada. Besides, with Aztlan panting to the south, the CAS has
got better things to worry about than fighting with the northers.

Also remember that the secession occured when the US and Canada were
licking their wounds from the Indian wars...

--
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Message no. 10
From: "Andrew W. Ragland" <RAGLAN45@*****.MMC.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 06:11:05 -0500
>Quite the opposite, if I remember the NAGNA well enough. The government at
>least is pro-metahuman, from what I remember.

I wouldn't refer to Atlanta as pro-metahuman. Beseiged by metahumans is
more like it. The MOR hasn't moved from the park by The Rock since the
beginning of the big trial. Metahuman rights are still a real touchy issue.

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Message no. 11
From: "Sgt. Pepper" <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:09:02 EDT
On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:09:54 +0200 Gurth said:

>>How far have the Confederate American States gone to become the "Old
>>South"? Have they instituted slavery of the lesser-humans? Has Humanis
>>taken over their gov't yet? Is there any hatred still with the Yanks in
>>the UCAS?
>
>Quite the opposite, if I remember the NAGNA well enough. The government at
>least is pro-metahuman, from what I remember.
>
>--

Actually, I remember the opposite, seems i read somewhere (thought it was
NAGNA) that CAS was one of the few places where race DID still matter, I
would guess in addition to your meta-type. I couldnt find the refernece
when I went scrounging, but I am still working.

And the government being pro-meta doesnt really say anything about how things
REALLY are. 8-)

Sgt. Pepper

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Message no. 12
From: Kelly Martin <kelly@*******.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:52:40 EST5
"Sgt" == Sgt Pepper <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU> writes:

Sgt> Actually, I remember the opposite, seems i read somewhere
Sgt> (thought it was NAGNA) that CAS was one of the few places where
Sgt> race DID still matter, I would guess in addition to your
Sgt> meta-type.

Japan is another such place, and based on _House of the Sun_, so is
Hawai'i.

k.
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I could tell by his slurred speech, the heavy glaze over his eyes,
and his inability to stand straight that he was under the influence
of a powerful narcotic. That, or he was a graduate student.
Message no. 13
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:27 -0400
Once upon a time, Matt Penn wrote;

>That reminds me (for some reason), does there happen to be a sourcebook
>for the Confederated American States? Or am I gonna have to try and make
>up what Atlanta and New Orleans and such are without referring to
>delusions of Johnny Reb? Hey, there's a netbook...Target: CAS...

I'm still pushing for FASA to have a war between CAS and Aztlan. B>]#
NOLA was alsowritten up in an old series of White Wolf articles. The
first part is the only good one to have. The Charlotte Sprawl is still an
oral work. Me write something down? Bah.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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Message no. 14
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:13:38 -0400
On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:27 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:

> I'm still pushing for FASA to have a war between CAS and Aztlan.
B>]#
>NOLA was alsowritten up in an old series of White Wolf articles. The
>first part is the only good one to have. The Charlotte Sprawl is still
an
>oral work. Me write something down? Bah.

Oh, I did a southeastern netbook for another game system and most people
thought it was decent. My particular problem is the really cool southern
cities have been done, and I frankly wouldn't know much of where to
start. My hometown, well, home *state* just doesn't quite have that
"special something" in which to create a wonderfully detailed sprawl.

AAGH! I need more books!

-Matt, Ork at large
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Message no. 15
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:44:45 -0400
Once upon a time, Matt Penn wrote;

>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:27 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
>
>> I'm still pushing for FASA to have a war between CAS and Aztlan.
>B>]#
>>NOLA was alsowritten up in an old series of White Wolf articles. The
>>first part is the only good one to have. The Charlotte Sprawl is still
>an
>>oral work. Me write something down? Bah.
>
>Oh, I did a southeastern netbook for another game system and most people
>thought it was decent. My particular problem is the really cool southern
>cities have been done, and I frankly wouldn't know much of where to
>start. My hometown, well, home *state* just doesn't quite have that
>"special something" in which to create a wonderfully detailed sprawl.

Charlotte is (the last time I checked) the banking capital of the
South and does have this sprawling mentality already. Why grow upwards
when you can grow outwards (and start annexing neighboring cities). And
there has been enough events here to mirror into Shadowrun timeline. Ever
recall PTL's Heritage USA (just across the state line and less than 30
minutes from Charlotte? Well it became Universal Heritage and my players
found out years ago how big a termite hive can get. Scary thing is that
when Chicago blew Charlotte didn't have to bug problems the other big
cities had. The City claimed everything was under control and there was
no problems. Like they would tell you otherwise. <BEGMG>
And there still the Cherokee Nation, the return of the "lost colony"
at Roanoke, Paranormal Zoo at Ashboro, the dragon at Biltmore in
Ashville, pirate activity on the coast, a small Aztechnology Arcology
beside the ghost town area, among other things.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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Message no. 16
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:30:21 -0400
On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:44:45 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
> Charlotte is (the last time I checked) the banking capital of the
>South and does have this sprawling mentality already. Why grow upwards
>when you can grow outwards (and start annexing neighboring cities).
>And there has been enough events here to mirror into Shadowrun timeline.

>Ever recall PTL's Heritage USA (just across the state line and less than
30
>minutes from Charlotte? Well it became Universal Heritage and my
>players found out years ago how big a termite hive can get. Scary thing
is
>that when Chicago blew Charlotte didn't have to bug problems the other
big
>cities had. The City claimed everything was under control and there
>was no problems. Like they would tell you otherwise. <BEGMG>

If I could picture any place 'round here that'd make a good SR sprawl
besides Atlanta, it'd be Charlotte. Place seems to double in size every
time I get up there.

> And there still the Cherokee Nation, the return of the "lost
colony"
>at Roanoke, Paranormal Zoo at Ashboro, the dragon at Biltmore in
>Ashville, pirate activity on the coast, a small Aztechnology Arcology
>beside the ghost town area, among other things.

There's a thought...I may just have to do Charleston. Historically, to
the best of my knowledge anyway, it was a favorite stopover point for
pirates. Seemy dockside cities are always fun to write up at any rate.
I was going to put a dragon in Stone Mountain, too. Hey, thanks...you've
given me something to work with here...

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Message no. 17
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:00:37 EDT
In a message dated 7/8/98 2:57:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc23@**********.COM writes:

> >That reminds me (for some reason), does there happen to be a sourcebook
> >for the Confederated American States? Or am I gonna have to try and make
> >up what Atlanta and New Orleans and such are without referring to
> >delusions of Johnny Reb? Hey, there's a netbook...Target: CAS...
>
> I'm still pushing for FASA to have a war between CAS and Aztlan. B>]#
> NOLA was alsowritten up in an old series of White Wolf articles. The
> first part is the only good one to have. The Charlotte Sprawl is still an
> oral work. Me write something down? Bah.
>
I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards again.
AND, the Aztlan PBEM just had a major breakthrough today (I am SO Happy I
could Roar!!!), which is centered around those kinds of conflicts. There is a
link to the Aztlan PBEM's website on the Hoosier Hacker House if you wanna
find out more. I'll actually be updating that section this weekend...

-K (who is still squirming, it means so much to him)
Message no. 18
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:37:53 -0400
> Ashville, pirate activity on the coast, a small Aztechnology Arcology
> beside the ghost town area, among other things.
>
Not the one in Maggie Valley! Not the home of the Red
Devil, the worlds only mile high roller coaster? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!
Message no. 19
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:39:31 -0400
> There's a thought...I may just have to do Charleston. Historically,
> to
> the best of my knowledge anyway, it was a favorite stopover point for
> pirates. Seemy dockside cities are always fun to write up at any
> rate.
> I was going to put a dragon in Stone Mountain, too. Hey,
> thanks...you've
> given me something to work with here...
>
Charleston would be a really cool SR town. Its just
DRIPPING with magical tie ins in the present day, much less SR.
Message no. 20
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:41 -0400
Once upon a time, Bryan Covington wrote;

>> Ashville, pirate activity on the coast, a small Aztechnology Arcology
>> beside the ghost town area, among other things.
>>
> Not the one in Maggie Valley! Not the home of the Red
>Devil, the worlds only mile high roller coaster? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!

Nope, The Harrisburg/Concord (beside Charlotte) area suffered
greatly when IBM closed shop here and moved away (IRL they have been
threatening to do that for as long as I can remember). Aztechnology's
Arcology gave nothing back to the surrounding area when it located on the
"ruins of IBM". Vitas ran rampant in that area after homeless and
squatters started to become the norm there. With recurring Vitas
breakouts, packs of roaming ghouls, rumors of necromancers and plenty of
restless spirits there it started to literal become a ghost town. People
try to just forget about that area.
BTW, did I mention the fortified slums of the West side? They were
housing projects that tried to provide more protection for outside gang
fighting that just created a worse DMZ than what was already there.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
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it could be used against them.
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Message no. 21
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:11:44 -0400
Once upon a time, Matt Penn wrote;

>There's a thought...I may just have to do Charleston. Historically, to
>the best of my knowledge anyway, it was a favorite stopover point for
>pirates. Seemy dockside cities are always fun to write up at any rate.
>I was going to put a dragon in Stone Mountain, too. Hey, thanks...you've
>given me something to work with here...

Don't forget with the formation of CAS the naval base there would
reopen for the CAS's fleet.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 22
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:12:29 -0400
Once upon a time, K is the Symbol wrote;

>I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
>again.


Y E S ! ! !

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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being carefully, correctly wrong!"
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Message no. 23
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:14:51 -0400
> >There's a thought...I may just have to do Charleston. Historically,
> to
> >the best of my knowledge anyway, it was a favorite stopover point for
> >pirates. Seemy dockside cities are always fun to write up at any
> rate.
> >I was going to put a dragon in Stone Mountain, too. Hey,
> thanks...you've
> >given me something to work with here...
>
> Don't forget with the formation of CAS the naval base there would
> reopen for the CAS's fleet.
>
They might even rebuild and re-outfit Fort Sumter. They
will certianly rewrite a few of the plaques based on the new secession.
(for those not in the know, Fort Sumter was where the
first shot in the Civil War was fired and it sits very strategically in
the center of entrance to Charelston's harbor.)
Message no. 24
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:19:15 -0500
>
> Once upon a time, K is the Symbol wrote;
>
> >I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
> >again.
>
>
> Y E S ! ! !
>
Party TIME!!!! :)
It may actually give me a reason to develop Florida into a net place book. :)
Pack you sun block, load up the AK's, buy some more grenades. :)


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Message no. 25
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:00:07 -0400
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At 08:39 AM 7/9/98 -0400, Brian wrote:
> Charleston would be a really cool SR town. Its just
>DRIPPING with magical tie ins in the present day, much less SR.

Not to mention Savanah. Surely a few of you have read Midnight in the
Garden of Good and Evil.

Although, with the iron grip that the local historical preservation
societies have on both cities, I don't see too many skyscrapers and
arcologies springing up. For example, in Charleston, the local
building codes limit building heights for the express purpose of
keeping St. Philip's Episcopal Church's steeple the tallest structure
in town.

I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a more
conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.

And actually, given the relative proximity of the two cities, Perhaps
they've fused into a Charleston-Beaufort-Hilton Head-Savanah megaplex
by 205X.

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Message no. 26
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:25:33 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-09 10:12:54 EDT, you write:

> >I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
> >again.
>

That's good to hear. I've had my 'Runners hired for work in Aztlan in the
past. They thought it was simple recon, extraction, and general terror work.
Little did the know that their Johnsons were actually from the CAS Department
of Defense, Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Reconnisance Office ;]
And they're getting another run of the sort within the hour! <WAHAHAHAHAAA!!!>
Seriously though, I was always intrigued about the possibility of the
Confederated American States and Aztlan going to war, ever since NAGTNA (been
while for those that don't know the aforementioned acronym. Ever since 1st
Ed.) and have been eagerly awaiting any further information about the
CAS/Aztlan conflict.

Mgkelly
Message no. 27
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:14:39 -0400
> Not to mention Savanah. Surely a few of you have read Midnight in the
> Garden of Good and Evil.
>
Haven't read it but Kevin Spacey was awesome in the
movie.

> Although, with the iron grip that the local historical preservation
> societies have on both cities, I don't see too many skyscrapers and
> arcologies springing up. For example, in Charleston, the local
> building codes limit building heights for the express purpose of
> keeping St. Philip's Episcopal Church's steeple the tallest structure
> in town.
>
> I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
> corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
> distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a more
> conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.
>
> And actually, given the relative proximity of the two cities, Perhaps
> they've fused into a Charleston-Beaufort-Hilton Head-Savanah megaplex
> by 205X.
>
Why not build around it? That's what happened in DC.
Nothing in DC proper can be taller than the Washington Monument. So they
put up little burbs all around it and built them all to high heaven.
Same thing could easily be seen for dear Charleston.
I would think in looking to build Charleston or Savannah
you might want to look at what's been put out on New Orleans as the
cities seem (at least to a certain degree) to be from similar roots
(i.e. Southern, lowland areas, slow moving, similar climates, lots of
history).
Message no. 28
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:59:13 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 9:19:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
decker@****.FSU.EDU writes:

> > Once upon a time, K is the Symbol wrote;
> > >I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
> > >again.
> > Y E S ! ! !
> Party TIME!!!! :)
> It may actually give me a reason to develop Florida into a net place book.
:)
> Pack you sun block, load up the AK's, buy some more grenades. :)

Oh brother, I am going to -HAVE- to come up with a nick name for the roommate
I think. It can be rather complicated here having a -ROOMMATE- named Mike and
the editor of your fave RPG named Mike as well.

Guys, let me clarify this. When I said Mike, I was referring to my roommate.
Mr. Mulhillvil is still too busy to do anything so obviously interesting as a
CAS/Aztlan war-type conflict.

Na, he's like the rest of America...Distracted :P

-K
Message no. 29
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:26:16 -0400
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At 12:14 PM 7/9/98 -0400, Brian wrote:
>> I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
>> corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
>> distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a
more
>> conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.

> Why not build around it?

I think this is precisely what I just suggested!

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Message no. 30
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:02:51 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 10:00:58 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

> Not to mention Savanah. Surely a few of you have read Midnight in the
> Garden of Good and Evil.

No, I have not. That way when Mr. Eastwood did the movie, it would be
interesting enough to me. VERY good flick too. I liked the HUGE variety of
characters in that one.

> Although, with the iron grip that the local historical preservation
> societies have on both cities, I don't see too many skyscrapers and
> arcologies springing up. For example, in Charleston, the local
> building codes limit building heights for the express purpose of
> keeping St. Philip's Episcopal Church's steeple the tallest structure
> in town.

This could be quite an interesting setup for things to happen. But as for an
entirely new business district to pop-up, -THAT- takes a lot of doing.

> I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
> corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
> distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a more
> conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.

Hey, where there is conflict, there is growth, and where there is growth,
there is Chaos. Yeppers, sounds to me like prime runner territory ... I think
I'll make a few investments ... ;P

-K
Message no. 31
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:10:30 -0400
Sorry. It was more for the reference to DC than anything else.

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> At 12:14 PM 7/9/98 -0400, Brian wrote:
> >> I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
> >> corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
> >> distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a
> more
> >> conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.
>
> > Why not build around it?
>
> I think this is precisely what I just suggested!
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> I control your fate!"
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Message no. 32
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:26:18 -0400
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:14:51 -0400 bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

> They might even rebuild and re-outfit Fort Sumter. They
will certianly rewrite >a few of the plaques based on the new secession.
> (for those not in the know, Fort Sumter was where the
>first shot in the Civil War was fired and it sits very strategically
>in the center of entrance to Charelston's harbor.)

It's a nice idea, but it's really not big enough for to make for a base
when all they have to do is re-open and expand the naval base already
there. 'Sides, it'd probably make more money for the CAS by being a
tourist attraction. I guess it'd depend on how historically-minded the
officer in charge was, because I could see it as kind of a "private
office," but even that doesn't make much sense when it's easier to just
*be* there.

-Matt: Naval Ork
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Message no. 33
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:26:03 -0400
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:11:44 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:

> Don't forget with the formation of CAS the naval base there would
>reopen for the CAS's fleet.

That brings to mind another question: What kinda military does the CAS
have? Has anything been written about who runs the armed forces? Is it
like during the Civil War (at the beginning, anyhow), with the
Confederates having better troops but little manufacturing and
sub-standard gear?

Or has little to nothing been written and I have plenty of work on my
hands?

Matt: Ork for hire
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Message no. 34
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:26:30 -0400
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:00:07 -0400 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
writes:

>I can forsee a clash of wills between the preservsionists and
>corporation interests, perhaps resulting in a downtown historic
>distric aproximately the size of the current city today, with a more
>conventional highrise sprawl springing up in the outlieing areas.

That's how I was kind of envisioning it, myself. "Inner" Charleston
would be the revamped and expanded naval base, with "Corporate"
Charleston being the place with all the arcologies and everything. Be an
interesting place to do biz. Especially since the Confederates have
borrowed money from the corps, Ares or maybe S-K, to do all this
wonderful refurbishing. You'd almost think they were getting ready to go
to war with someone...

-Matt: Foreshadowing Ork
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Message no. 35
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:58:17 -0400
Once upon a time, Matt Penn wrote;

>On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:11:44 -0400 MC23 <mc23@**********.COM> writes:
>
>> Don't forget with the formation of CAS the naval base there would
>>reopen for the CAS's fleet.
>
>That brings to mind another question: What kinda military does the CAS
>have? Has anything been written about who runs the armed forces? Is it
>like during the Civil War (at the beginning, anyhow), with the
>Confederates having better troops but little manufacturing and
>sub-standard gear?

The Stonewall sub-standard?

ROFLOL
Message no. 36
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:59:59 -0400
Once upon a time, K is the Symbol wrote;

>Oh brother, I am going to -HAVE- to come up with a nick name for the roommate
>I think. It can be rather complicated here having a -ROOMMATE- named Mike
>and the editor of your fave RPG named Mike as well.

YOU BASTARD! Don't go around getting my hopes up like that!

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"Boy, I'm in a bad mood today! Everyone had better steer clear of me! I
hate EVERYBODY! As far as I'm concerned, everyone on the planet can just
drop dead. People are scum.
.....
WELL-L-L? DOESN'T ANYONE WANT TO CHEER ME UP?!?"
-Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes
I am MC23
Message no. 37
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:04:11 -0400
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At 01:26 PM 7/9/98 -0400, Matt wrote:
>That brings to mind another question: What kinda military does the
CAS
>have? Has anything been written about who runs the armed forces? Is
it
>like during the Civil War (at the beginning, anyhow), with the
>Confederates having better troops but little manufacturing and
>sub-standard gear?
>
>Or has little to nothing been written and I have plenty of work on my
>hands?

Here's a bit of shadowtalk from p. 32-33 of NAGNA

"Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
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Message no. 38
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:19:11 -0400
> Here's a bit of shadowtalk from p. 32-33 of NAGNA
>
> "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
> Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
> intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
> They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
> fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
> into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
> army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
>
Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?
Message no. 39
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:25:00 -0600
bryan.covington@****.COM wrote:
/
/ > Here's a bit of shadowtalk from p. 32-33 of NAGNA
/ >
/ > "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
/ > Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
/ > intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
/ > They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
/ > fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
/ > into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
/ > army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
/
/ Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
/ battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?

*The* Atlanta is an aircraft carrier.

All though the idea of a canal that can service an aircraft carrier
running up to Atlanta is amusing :) I'm suprised the US Military
hasn't done it allready ;)

-David
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Message no. 40
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:32:15 -0500
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 bryan.covington@****.COM wrote:

> > Here's a bit of shadowtalk from p. 32-33 of NAGNA
> > "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
> > Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
> > intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
> > They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
> > fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
> > into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
> > army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
> Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
> battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?

It says its bassed around THE Atlanta. To me that means the main ship, a
heavy carrier in this case, is named after the city. In the same way the
US Navy used to have the Iowa battle group based around the Iowa. Its
even harder to base a battleship group in the middle of the continent. :)

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 41
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:43:32 -0400
> It says its bassed around THE Atlanta. To me that means the main
> ship, a
> heavy carrier in this case, is named after the city. In the same way
> the
> US Navy used to have the Iowa battle group based around the Iowa. Its
> even harder to base a battleship group in the middle of the continent.
> :)
>
Sorry. Jeez miss one little word, next thing you know
your digging a 300mile canal.
Message no. 42
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:50:35 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-09 10:13:02 EDT, you write:

> >I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
> >again.
>
>
> Y E S ! ! !

Uhhh, MC? I think he might be referring to Mike, as in Airwasp, because about
a week ago in our PBEM the war started... but I'm not sure...

Nexx
Message no. 43
From: Craig S Dohmen <dohmen@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:41:22 -0400
> Why not build around it? That's what happened in DC.
> Nothing in DC proper can be taller than the Washington Monument. So they
> put up little burbs all around it and built them all to high heaven.

Pedant point! After they put up the Washington Monument, they passed a law
saying that, from then on, nothing could be taller than the dome on the
Capitol. :)

--Craig
Message no. 44
From: Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:23:33 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-09 14:00:44 EDT, you write:

> >Oh brother, I am going to -HAVE- to come up with a nick name for the
> roommate
> >I think. It can be rather complicated here having a -ROOMMATE- named Mike
> >and the editor of your fave RPG named Mike as well.

DAMN!! And here I was thinking that FASAMike was working up something else
that was really cool (even though he's busier than a one-legged man in an ass-
kicking contest).

Mgkelly
Message no. 45
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:19:56 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 1:21:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

> > "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
> > Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
> > intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
> > They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
> > fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
> > into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
> > army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
> >
> Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
> battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?
>
Hey now, read that english closer. I think he meant to say "the aircraft
carrier named 'Atlanta'..."???

-K
Message no. 46
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:24:34 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 11:07:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
MgkellyMP5@***.COM writes:

> That's good to hear. I've had my 'Runners hired for work in Aztlan in the
> past. They thought it was simple recon, extraction, and general terror
work.
> Little did the know that their Johnsons were actually from the CAS
> Department
> of Defense, Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Reconnisance Office
;]
> And they're getting another run of the sort within the hour!
<WAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> >
> Seriously though, I was always intrigued about the possibility of the
> Confederated American States and Aztlan going to war, ever since NAGTNA (
> been
> while for those that don't know the aforementioned acronym. Ever since 1st
> Ed.) and have been eagerly awaiting any further information about the
> CAS/Aztlan conflict.

Some of the things I am going to have happen in the war is going to be very
damaging to the CAS ...

Aztlan is going to begin positioning some of their forces in the Pacific to
draw forces away from the border (never fight a war on two fronts) ...

Both naval forces will slaughter each other in the Gulf ...

The CAS is going to be having internal problems ...

The current President (Ormraven here) is under the control of Winternight and
is going to cause the CAS to go slightly overboard (last time he was under
Aztlaner influence) ...

Aztlan is going to allow the Blood Magics to be used again, but only for
wartime purposes (which means almost everything) ...

Aztlan is also going to do something somewhat terrible ... they are going to
perform a ritualized extended ranged Clear Air spell in the shape of a cone
... and then they are going to dump as much of their pollution onto the CAS as
the can, starting just south of Tenochtitlan ...

Both sides will make extensive use of the Shadows to make hits against each
other in areas which will hamper the civilian population ... this includes the
destruction or temporary loss of electrical power junctions ... bomb threats
to airports, with fake bombs in place ... perhaps even basic Germ warfare (an
outbreak of the Flu ?!?) ...

The only problem I have is that I can visualize what Aztlan is going to be
doing, but I can't figure out what the CAS is going to do ...

Any suggestions ?

Oh, and the start of the increase in hostilities was the shooting down of an
inbound trans-orbital dropping into Houston, while CAS and Aztlan fighters
were busy trying to shoot each other down (this is also known as a training
mission) ...

-Mike (Who is going to chat with Keith about this some time or another)
Message no. 47
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:30:46 EDT
There is something else that I have also thought about ...

Should the corporate courts decide that the war is getting out of hand and
threaten Aztlan in particular (I feel they would pick on Aztlan faster than
the CAS), Aztlan is going to ask them if they want -ALL- of their orbiting
assets destroyed, followed by attacks on their corporate holdings by THORS and
other things which can be dropped from the orbiting space station that Aztlan
has under their control.

But I think that the corporate courts would not interfere this time ... both
the CAS and Aztlan are finally to pissy with each other, and neither nation is
out for true land grabbing (other than the CAS which wants most of Texas
back).

Oh, and should any other nation join in on the fight against Aztlan, Aztlan is
going to make the final straw and ask them how badly they want their nations
to still exist after their nukes are launched ...

Aztlan is going to fight an all-put -WAR- no holds barred, everything to the
limit ... and no room for anyone else to elbow in on either sides glory ...

This war is going to be uglier than the Civil War ...

And Winternight is going to wringing their hands and have GBEG's on their mugs
...

-Mike
Message no. 48
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:35:33 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 12:28:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
steelclaw@****.COM writes:

> > They might even rebuild and re-outfit Fort Sumter. They
> will certianly rewrite >a few of the plaques based on the new secession.
> > (for those not in the know, Fort Sumter was where the
> >first shot in the Civil War was fired and it sits very strategically
> >in the center of entrance to Charelston's harbor.)
>
> It's a nice idea, but it's really not big enough for to make for a base
> when all they have to do is re-open and expand the naval base already
> there. 'Sides, it'd probably make more money for the CAS by being a
> tourist attraction. I guess it'd depend on how historically-minded the
> officer in charge was, because I could see it as kind of a "private
> office," but even that doesn't make much sense when it's easier to just
> *be* there.

Something on the side ... once the rules for naval vessel construction finally
come out ...

-IF- a army or land military base were built simultaneously, with the
knowledge that the whole thing was nothing more than one continuous building,
and comparable to a naval vessel in cost, design, and construction ...

Would the base then be considered -ONE- object for the purposes of magic
focused against it ...

Would magic used against the base have to be of the -NAVAL- category and power
to affect the base ...

-Mike
Message no. 49
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:40:41 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 12:29:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
steelclaw@****.COM writes:

> > Don't forget with the formation of CAS the naval base there would
> >reopen for the CAS's fleet.
>
> That brings to mind another question: What kinda military does the CAS
> have? Has anything been written about who runs the armed forces? Is it
> like during the Civil War (at the beginning, anyhow), with the
> Confederates having better troops but little manufacturing and
> sub-standard gear?
>
> Or has little to nothing been written and I have plenty of work on my
> hands?
>
> Matt: Ork for hire
> "In the south, we have a tradition of heritage."
>
Matt, in the Target : Smuggler's Haven and Cyberpirates, it is mentioned that
Azltan and the CAS both have the most powerful and modern militaries of the
entire world, although most of it is pointed at each other thankfully ...

The CAS has better Panzers, in the form of their MBTs ...

Aztlan has an ace in their sleeve ... Aztechnology ...

CAS has Ares and possibly even Nova Technologies ...

I would see Cross Applied Technologies supplying both sides and at the same
time trying to snub Ares at the same time ...

All three of the Japana-corps would supply both sides ...

SK would probably stay out of the morass ... the Dragon letting the others
make a short buck in the short term, while he prepares contracts for either
side to help in the reconstruction of their assets ...

Yamatetsu and Wuxing, I would see them both limiting their involvement in the
war ... keeping it to humanitarian supplies and the like, as Aztechnology has
applied for admittance into the PPG ...

And as for other things .. who knows ...

-Mike
Message no. 50
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:06 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 1:21:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

> > "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
> > Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light and
> > intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No boomers.
> > They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle themselves
> > fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after secession
> > into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest standing
> > army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
> >
> Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
> battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?

What they should have said was based off of the East coast, near Atlanta ...

Oh, and has anyone ever considered using a Bloat as an Aircraft Carrier ... I
have ... Aztlan and the CAS both have one ... although Aztlan uses a lot of
strats and clouders to supplement their border forces ...

For more information on Strats and Clouders please go to Hoosier Hacker House
and read up on them ...

-Mike
Message no. 51
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:50:14 EDT
In a message dated 7/9/98 1:52:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> > >I know that Mike is starting to veer the CAS/Aztlan hostilities upwards
> > >again.
> >
> >
> > Y E S ! ! !
>
> Uhhh, MC? I think he might be referring to Mike, as in Airwasp, because
> about
> a week ago in our PBEM the war started... but I'm not sure...

The pbem Nexx (Mark) is referring to is taking place right about now in the
home games here in terms of timing ...

-Mike
Message no. 52
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:55:19 -0400
>In a message dated 7/9/98 1:21:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

>What they should have said was based off of the East coast, near
>Atlanta ...

I figured the most likely place for the Atlanta would be Mobile. They
already have/had a base there and it'd be perfect for a launching point
into Aztlan.

Matt: Naval Ork
"Okay...after 'stroke,' then what?"

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Message no. 53
From: John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:20:10 -0400
On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:30:21 -0400 Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM> writes:
<snip what MC23 wrote>
>
>If I could picture any place 'round here that'd make a good SR sprawl
>besides Atlanta, it'd be Charlotte. Place seems to double in size
>every time I get up there.
>
>> And there still the Cherokee Nation, the return of the "lost
>colony"
>>at Roanoke, Paranormal Zoo at Ashboro, the dragon at Biltmore in
>>Ashville, pirate activity on the coast, a small Aztechnology Arcology
>>beside the ghost town area, among other things.
>
>There's a thought...I may just have to do Charleston. Historically,
>to the best of my knowledge anyway, it was a favorite stopover point
>for pirates. Seemy dockside cities are always fun to write up at any
>rate. I was going to put a dragon in Stone Mountain, too. Hey,
>thanks...you've given me something to work with here...
Yeah. around where I live(Monmouth County NJ), Sandy Hook was a
favorite pirate hideaway. Plus, we saw one revolutionary war battle, have
5% of the state nearby as a gigantic military reservation, one separate
moderately important military base, a huge tourism mecca(as well as the
local equiv. of Dante's:the Stone Pony, which is a big stop for any
group)...God, the problem is, how to WRITE a sourcebook.

John

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Message no. 54
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:02:08 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 10:58:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
steelclaw@****.COM writes:

> >What they should have said was based off of the East coast, near
> >Atlanta ...
>
> I figured the most likely place for the Atlanta would be Mobile. They
> already have/had a base there and it'd be perfect for a launching point
> into Aztlan.

Time for a retraction ... my noodle (brain) was not functioning at the time ..

The Atlanta is an Aircraft Carrier ...

-Mike
Message no. 55
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:21:15 -0400
At 11:20 AM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:

> Yeah. around where I live(Monmouth County NJ), Sandy Hook was a
>favorite pirate hideaway. Plus, we saw one revolutionary war battle, have
>5% of the state nearby as a gigantic military reservation, one separate
>moderately important military base,

Hey, unless I'm mistaking your reference, I was born on that base!

Erik J.

Who had military helicopters landing in his backyard the first few months
of his life...
Message no. 56
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:10:28 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-10 11:09:35 EDT, you write:

> The only problem I have is that I can visualize what Aztlan is going to be
> doing, but I can't figure out what the CAS is going to do ...
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
> Oh, and the start of the increase in hostilities was the shooting down of
an
> inbound trans-orbital dropping into Houston, while CAS and Aztlan fighters
> were busy trying to shoot each other down (this is also known as a training
> mission) ...
>
> -Mike (Who is going to chat with Keith about this some time or another)

I am very, very, very, very, very scared...

Nexx, who is in Mike's PBEM
Message no. 57
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:05:45 -0400
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At 10:48 AM 7/10/98 -0400, Mike wrote:
>> > "Militarily, the only thing the CAS has going for it is one Heavy
>> > Strike Carrier Battlegroup, based around the Atlanta, some light
and
>> > intermediate Surface Action Groups, and a handful of subs. No
boomers.
>> > They do, however, have enough ground/air forces to strangle
themselves
>> > fiscally. Having incorporated what air assets they had after
secession
>> > into the Army command structure, CAS may have the strongest
standing
>> > army in North America. And most of it is aimed at Aztlan."
>> >
>> Not to be contrary but how do you base a carrier
>> battlegroup around Atlanta? Did they dig a big ass canal?
>
>What they should have said was based off of the East coast, near
Atlanta ...

Since I was the one who posted the quote, let me clarify. In the
phrase, "based around the Atlanta," the word "Atlanta" was
italicsised, which, in this context indicates the name of a ship.

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Message no. 58
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:17:52 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 4:11:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> > -Mike (Who is going to chat with Keith about this some time or another)
>
> I am very, very, very, very, very scared...
>
Really Nexx, just imagine how I reacted this afternoon then. Binder overhears
a conversation that is happening between an Aztlan "Airforce" commander"
and a
CAS Army commander, the Secretary of the Interior (CAS) and some guy who seems
to -really- know a bunch about Aztlan???

It's getting good, and now that I've broken that Ant Shaman out of Levinworth,
things should get really interesting...

And you guys think I'm kidding... :E)
=K
Message no. 59
From: John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:35:35 -0400
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:21:15 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 11:20 AM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Yeah. around where I live(Monmouth County NJ), Sandy Hook was a
>>favorite pirate hideaway. Plus, we saw one revolutionary war battle,
>have
>>5% of the state nearby as a gigantic military reservation, one
>separate
>>moderately important military base,
>
>Hey, unless I'm mistaking your reference, I was born on that base!
>
>Erik J.
>
>Who had military helicopters landing in his backyard the first few
>months
>of his life...
>
Ok, there really are 3+:The BIIG Fort Dix/McGuire AFB/Lakehurst
reservation(covers 5% of NJ, split between the services), Earle Naval
Weapons Depot/Station, and Ft. Monmouth, which has housed HQ
CECOM(Communications and Electronics COMmand) for a while(will have to
ask my dad how long, he works there as a branch chief on one of the
projects.). Which one, when?:)

John

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Message no. 60
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:04:53 -0400
At 12:35 PM 7/11/98 -0400, you wrote:

>>Hey, unless I'm mistaking your reference, I was born on that base!
>>
>>Erik J.
>>
>Ok, there really are 3+:The BIIG Fort Dix/McGuire AFB/Lakehurst
>reservation(covers 5% of NJ, split between the services), Earle Naval
>Weapons Depot/Station, and Ft. Monmouth, which has housed HQ
>CECOM(Communications and Electronics COMmand) for a while(will have to
>ask my dad how long, he works there as a branch chief on one of the
>projects.). Which one, when?:)

That would be Monmouth. My dad was in the Army during the height of the
Vietnam War. He took part in the military research that made some of the
toys used in the Gulf Conflict possible 20 years later. From there he went
on to do a number of black projects on the civilian side. A rather common
career path, even in 205X Shadowrun I would think. Spend some time in the
UCAS Army, then bail out to join a Corporation for real money.

Erik J.

URL almost here...
Message no. 61
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:50:08 -0500
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:02:42 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 09:39 PM 7/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>>Didn't FASA say the Stonewall MBT was just information propoganda and
not an
>>>actual vehicle?

>>Really? Where did this come from guy? I have never heard that one,
and it's
>>never been put someplace where most of the gamers can reach it.

>I seem to recall that in the Rigger Black Book there was a bit of a
>question, in the decker comments, as to the truth of the intel
presented.
>Most folks took the description of the Stonewall as gospel and
disregarded
>the contrary decker comments. But since no hard stats have ever been
>given, well, it's up to each GM to decide what is truth.
>
>Erik J.
>
>URL almost here...

In the RBB there were no stats and no decker comments ... just a picture
and report that was corrupted at the end ... :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 62
From: John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:59 -0400
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:04:53 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 12:35 PM 7/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>>Hey, unless I'm mistaking your reference, I was born on that base!
>>>
>>>Erik J.
>>>
>>Ok, there really are 3+:The BIIG Fort Dix/McGuire AFB/Lakehurst
>>reservation(covers 5% of NJ, split between the services), Earle Naval
>>Weapons Depot/Station, and Ft. Monmouth, which has housed HQ
>>CECOM(Communications and Electronics COMmand) for a while(will have
>to
>>ask my dad how long, he works there as a branch chief on one of the
>>projects.). Which one, when?:)
>
>That would be Monmouth. My dad was in the Army during the height of
>the
>Vietnam War. He took part in the military research that made some of
>the
>toys used in the Gulf Conflict possible 20 years later. From there he
>went
>on to do a number of black projects on the civilian side. A rather
>common
>career path, even in 205X Shadowrun I would think. Spend some time in
>the
>UCAS Army, then bail out to join a Corporation for real money.
<snip sig, keeping whole convo for reference>
Yeah. My dad works at Monmouth, and is in the same position with the
"Mounted Warrior" project as they call it. Doing stuff that will soon(and
actually is, I think) hitting the market in a few years, but with real
fullness coming in a decade or so. Of course, he's done more than a few
things he won't tell about...I've even considered putting some of his
projects as objects of a shadowrun. And, yer right about the career
thing.
That's going to become more common unless the military finally gives
decent pay and benefits at the enlisted ranks, after spending an average
enlistment period.
How likely is that is 205X, though, that the UCAS military would GIVE
competitive pay?

John

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Message no. 63
From: Bryan Covington <bryan.covington@****.COM>
Subject: CAS?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:22:16 -0500
What ever became of the group who was working on the CAS sourcebook
online? Anyone heard from them or know the URL?

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Message no. 64
From: alareth <alareth@*****.DWEBS.NET>
Subject: Re: CAS?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:09:33 -0500
> What ever became of the group who was working on the CAS sourcebook
>online? Anyone heard from them or know the URL?


That would happen to be me. I unfortunately have sort of let the
project fall to the wayside due to certain events in my life. I still have
most the stuff for it that everyone ever sent me and I hope to possibly
start back to working on it over the Christmas holidays.
I would like to apologies to those that sent info to me and for many
reasons I never responded to.
The homepage for the CAS Project is located at
http://www.dwebs.net/~alareth/games/shadowrun in the Game Aids section.
This is a project I would like to get completed assuming I get some
personal stuff straightened out.

Alareth
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Message no. 65
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:33:15 EST
In a message dated 12/7/1998 9:23:26 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bryan.covington@****.COM writes:

>
> What ever became of the group who was working on the CAS sourcebook
> online? Anyone heard from them or know the URL?
>
I *JUST* looked at that URL recently too....IF you go to the SR Webring, then
you can find it rather quickly using the topic lines that are inserted, as it
is part of the description (CAS Project).

Again, IIRC...

Alareth, is this your site???

-K
Message no. 66
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*****.DWEBS.NET>
Subject: Re: CAS?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:02:51 -0500
>Alareth, is this your site???
>
>-K

Yeppers

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Message no. 67
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: CAS?
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:03:47 -0500
Once upon a time, Mark C. Farrington wrote;

>Alareth - Acolyte of the First Church of the Squooshy Ball

Can't you get a vaccination for that now?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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...
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Message no. 68
From: Alareth <alareth@*****.DWEBS.NET>
Subject: Re: CAS?
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:39:32 -0500
>>Alareth - Acolyte of the First Church of the Squooshy Ball
>
>Can't you get a vaccination for that now?


Nope

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