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Message no. 1
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Cell phones
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 19:05:19 +0100
CELLPHONES

I noticed some debate on these recently and someone asked about the discussion
that occurred a few months back.

Basically that discussion was started over a report that the NSA, FBI etc..
were sponsoring some ammendmant to the digital telephony bill going through
the House Of Congress in the US. <I may have some names wrong here>

The bill basically allows the NSA to wire tap cellular phones. However it
would also allow the security agencies access to positional information. Now
not many people realise but all cell phones can be traced at any time through
a means known as triangulation. Now the catch is that this doesn't occur
just while you're using the phone. It occurs all the time that the phone is
switched on and is either being used or waiting for calls.

What happens is that the phone at regular intervals emits a pulse asking the
local receiver if there are any phone calls trying to get through. If there
are then the phone becomes fully active and a the local receiver/transmitter
initialises the conversation. The pulse method is used to ensure that the
battery doesn't drain too quickly.

However this pulse when it is transmitted is collected by all the transmitter/
receivers in range and the information is used to traingulate the phone. This
information could be superimposed onto a map so that the phone company would
know exactly where you were. Not only this but your locations are logged.

So what you effectively have when using a cell phone is a portable transmitter
telling the security agencies "I'm here !" and I'm going to Joe's drug den,
just now, then I'm going to a gay cinema, then I'm going to take the daughter
of the local senator out on a date.

The security agencies will have access to all this information about you and
your movements as well as having the added bonus of listening to your phone
calls. If they so decided they could use this information to blackmail someone,
imagine a politician who they'd traced going into a gay cinema. While I
personally don't give a damm about what they do with private life there would
always be someone ready to take advantage of the knowledge and claim the moral
high ground or whatever.

So the moral of this story is two fold.

If you live in America and don't want a "Big Brother Is Watching" state oppose
these laws.

If you don't want people to keep tabs on your movements, don't use a cell phone.

P.S. If you live in Britain I think you have to just assume that this is
happening already and no one has told us about it yet. I personally can't see
MI5 making a statement about what they are up to when admitting it would bring
public attention to the fact and could result in laws being introduced to
specifically limit what MI5 can do legally <mind that still wouldn't stop them
:) >

Phill.
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Message no. 2
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:18:01 -0600
Anyone else find the cellphone concealability suspect?
a 4 for a wristphone, 8 for earplug, and 3 for handset unit ... The
handset and wristphone units have concealabilities of shotguns!!! That's
rediculous ...
I propose that these are more appropriate:

Cellphone Type Conceal
Wrist 6/4*
w/flip screen 6/3*
Handset 7
Earplug 12/6*

*The first number is to detect the phone under (loose) clothing. The
second is to detect that the object is a phone.

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Message no. 3
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:44:39 -0600
At 09:18 PM 11/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Anyone else find the cellphone concealability suspect?

How about those SR3 prices? So cheap. There is somone on the message
board I run that has brought up something on this. He is asking why they
are a flat rate and there is nothing about a service you would have to sign
up for to keep the phone working each month. Any suggestions?

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Message no. 4
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:55:37 -0700
At 21:44 11/25/98 -0600, Ed wrote:

>How about those SR3 prices? So cheap. There is somone on the message
>board I run that has brought up something on this. He is asking why they
>are a flat rate and there is nothing about a service you would have to sign
>up for to keep the phone working each month. Any suggestions?

Cheap? Normal. I could walk into the cell phone dealer tommorrow and walk
out with a phone and 100 hours of calling for less than 50 bucks canadian.
Hell, I could walk out with just the phone, and pay as I go, with no
initial cost.

Then I would need a car to put the phone in. :-)

Grab a few flyers/newspaper ads from local phone companies and base prices
off that. Easy enough to do, and you don't have to worry about silly game
mechanics to determine how much you've spent per month on calls.

-Adam J
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Message no. 5
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:02:18 -0600
At 08:55 PM 11/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Cheap? Normal. I could walk into the cell phone dealer tommorrow and walk
>out with a phone and 100 hours of calling for less than 50 bucks canadian.
>Hell, I could walk out with just the phone, and pay as I go, with no
>initial cost.

Cheap as in one flat rate for unlimited time it seems. Sure a
Shadowrunners life span is usually pretty short but that is not the point I
was trying to get across. :)

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Message no. 6
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:56:37 -0600
> How about those SR3 prices? So cheap. There is somone on the message
> board I run that has brought up something on this. He is asking why they
> are a flat rate and there is nothing about a service you would
> have to sign
> up for to keep the phone working each month. Any suggestions?

By 2060, I'd imagine that things like voice bandwidth are going to be
essentially free. Video and other forms of data transfer are going to be the
things you pay for (if that).

This is a trend that you will see develop within the next 12 to 18 months.

(Of course, all guesses are mine, but I'd suggest that others may agree).



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Message no. 7
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:53:38 -0500
Quoting Ed (equine@***********.COM):
> How about those SR3 prices? So cheap. There is somone on the message
> board I run that has brought up something on this. He is asking why they
> are a flat rate and there is nothing about a service you would have to sign
> up for to keep the phone working each month. Any suggestions?

Whoever suggested that the airtime was free could be on target.
Failing that, it could be factored into Lifestyle, or the phones could be
disposables, whose costs include airtime equal to the life of the battery.
If you want to make up numbers for the service costs, remember to
include optional services such as encryption (for the privacy-conscious
business traveller). That's starting to be a big thing NOW, and I'm sure that
if we're still using the things 60 years from now, it'll be big then too.
(60 years from now, we'll certainly have portable communication devices of
some sort, and they'll probably be even more ubiquitous than they are now,
but I won't place any bets that they'll look like today's cellphones. Compare
today's phones to those of the 1930's....)

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Message no. 8
From: Fade <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:01:34 +0000
> >Cheap? Normal. I could walk into the cell phone dealer tommorrow and walk
> >out with a phone and 100 hours of calling for less than 50 bucks canadian.
> >Hell, I could walk out with just the phone, and pay as I go, with no
> >initial cost.
>
> Cheap as in one flat rate for unlimited time it seems. Sure a
> Shadowrunners life span is usually pretty short but that is not the point I
> was trying to get across. :)

Well, for maintenance cost, it won't be much. It should be covered by
lifestyle, IMHO. At a guess, an ordinary cell phone would be covered
by low lifestyle and up.

That's one of the things I like with lifestyle - it's a way to deal
with all those minor expenses without having to think up the exact
cost. You might call me lazy for not suggesting an exact
maintenance cost.. and you'd be quite correct. ;)

Regards,
Fade
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Message no. 9
From: Oliver McDonald <oliver@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 02:23:52 -0800
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:18:01 -0600, D. Ghost wrote:

>Anyone else find the cellphone concealability suspect?
>a 4 for a wristphone, 8 for earplug, and 3 for handset unit ... The
>handset and wristphone units have concealabilities of shotguns!!! That's
>rediculous ...
>I propose that these are more appropriate:
>
>Cellphone Type Conceal
>Wrist 6/4*
> w/flip screen 6/3*
>Handset 7
>Earplug 12/6*

I would question the concealability of the earplug being so high. It is going to need a
mike
of some sort, either a throat mike or boom mike. Also when you casually glance at
someone, you usually look at their face/head, so the mike is likely to attract your
attention even if the ear is not visible because of long hair.
Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:53:56 +0100
According to D. Ghost, at 21:18 on 25 Nov 98, the word on
the street was...

> Anyone else find the cellphone concealability suspect?
> a 4 for a wristphone, 8 for earplug, and 3 for handset unit ... The
> handset and wristphone units have concealabilities of shotguns!!! That's
> rediculous ...

You have to remember that these values haven't changed since SR1 came out
in 1989, and if you look at a late '80s cell phone, they kind of make
sense. (In that X-Files 1980s episode with the Lone Gunmen, I found
Mulder's cell phone a nice touch.)

> I propose that these are more appropriate:
>
> Cellphone Type Conceal
> Wrist 6/4*
> w/flip screen 6/3*
> Handset 7
> Earplug 12/6*
>
> *The first number is to detect the phone under (loose) clothing. The
> second is to detect that the object is a phone.

I don't know... They seem just a little too high to me; the 6/4 for a
wrist phone seems okay, but with a screen it should be less -- I see the
screen as taking up space when folded in as well. Call it 5/2. I made
handset phones Conceal 6 in my campaign, and IMHO earplugs can stay pretty
much as they are.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:53:56 +0100
According to Ed, at 21:44 on 25 Nov 98, the word on
the street was...

> How about those SR3 prices? So cheap.

Better than the SRII prices, where a cellphone cost 500 nuyen -- today you
can get the bloody things just about for free.

> There is somone on the message board I run that has brought up something
> on this. He is asking why they are a flat rate and there is nothing
> about a service you would have to sign up for to keep the phone working
> each month. Any suggestions?

One word: Lifestyle. That takes care of all those little things you pay
every month, like rent, utilities, phone bills, trid service, and so on.

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Message no. 12
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:27:28 -0600
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:53:56 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>According to D. Ghost, at 21:18 on 25 Nov 98, the word on
>the street was...
>> Anyone else find the cellphone concealability suspect?
<SNIP>
>> I propose that these are more appropriate:
>>
>> Cellphone Type Conceal
>> Wrist 6/4*
>> w/flip screen 6/3*
>> Handset 7
>> Earplug 12/6*
>>
>> *The first number is to detect the phone under (loose) clothing. The
>> second is to detect that the object is a phone.

>I don't know... They seem just a little too high to me; the 6/4 for a
>wrist phone seems okay, but with a screen it should be less -- I see the
>screen as taking up space when folded in as well. Call it 5/2.

I was basing the flip up screens off VR2's roll-out screens.

>I made
>handset phones Conceal 6 in my campaign, and IMHO earplugs can stay
pretty
>much as they are.

Considering the dimensions of some phones, I think even an 8 would be
appropriate for them.

As for the earplug phone. That's the conceal for the essential unit (I
should have made a note of this) ... the mike (throat, mastoid, boom,
etc) may reduce that concealability. I thought that a 8 was too high for
something that sits on the side of your head...

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Message no. 13
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:50:26 -0500
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At 02:23 AM 11/26/98 -0800, Oliver wrote:
>>Earplug 12/6*
>
>I would question the concealability of the earplug being so high. It
is
>going to need a mike
>of some sort, either a throat mike or boom mike.

Earplugs can, and often _do_ serve as both a speaker and microphone. A
microphone in the ear, you ask? Yes. The skull is a very good
conductor of sound, and the sound of someone speaking can quite easily
be picked up in the ear canal. I have a set of two-way radios that use
just that sort of an earplug microphone.

The description for the earplug cellphone does mention a boom mike,
but I seriously doubt that'd be the only option available to a 2060
cellphone customer.

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Message no. 14
From: John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cellphones
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:34:20 -0500
"XaOs [David Goth]" wrote:
> By 2060, I'd imagine that things like voice bandwidth are going to be
> essentially free. Video and other forms of data transfer are going to be the
> things you pay for (if that).

I'd imagine that that is one thing that's going to depend on whether
or not the government exerts continued control over the telephone
companies (here, anyway). Not that the government in this country is
exactly the brightest or most informed judge of technological
advancement (anyone who would rule that a call to a local telephone
number was long-distance just because it was to an ISP is smoking some
odd crack, IMHO). Still, if the telephone companies have their way,
I'd expect that voice service (and especially cellular voice service)
will continue to have a cost associated with it for the consumer -- a
service is a service and if you don't want it you don't have to pay
for it. It will probably be cheaper (accounting for inflation, of
course), but I think that free is a bit of a presumption. I see it as
more likely that the various types of information transmission
services would be subsumed into a single service (one service gets you
voice, data, fax, etc. transmission and access), with a premium for
satellite or cellular access. I don't see any of it as being free,
though.

> This is a trend that you will see develop within the next 12 to 18 months.

I'll believe it when I see it:) At least in the US, we're still a
primarily capitalist economy (note the qualifier 'primarily'), a
system that works on the presumption that everybody's more or less a
bunch of greedy bastards who like to think for themselves, make their
own choices, etc. (Did not intend for that to sound inflammatory
towards anyone else, btw). Companies, then, love to nickle-and-dime a
person to death when they can get away with it (which is why things
like CD's are expensive as hell compared to tape cassettes: it costs
more for the cassettes, but there's more demand for the CD's and most
people don't know that it doesn't really cost more than about 50 cents
a unit to press a few million compact discs). If something like that
becomes 'free', then it will have become a service provided by the
government (read 'megacorp' or other as appropriate) to its
*citizens*. In which case it's still not free, it's just getting paid
for by taxes, rather than consumer dollars.

> (Of course, all guesses are mine, but I'd suggest that others may agree).

Statement 1: Everyone agrees.
Statement 2: Except when they don't.
:)

Have a nice day,

Canthros
Remember, kids: economics is *easy*.
;)

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