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Message no. 1
From: David Maslen david.maslen@*****.com
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: 24 Feb 2000 16:08:14 +1100
If you posted a concise summary of the last thread, then I wouldn't
have to go looking for it too.

If you state that this is a summary of a long thread which it would be
nice to avoid repeating, then perhaps you could just consider it an
informative post. Please do.
Message no. 2
From: Logan Graves Logan@************.virtualAve.net
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:18:43 -0500
In our last episode, Simon Nixon wrote:
>
> Saw the John Woo/Chow Yun-Fat flick Tiger on the Beat last night and I was
> wondering if anyone had any stats for a chainsaw - specifically damage code.
> I really want to re-create the chainsaw swordfight from the end - only this
> time it'll be a troll physad wielding the saw :)

I came up with a "Fission Chainsaw" for Fenris back in the days of SR1, after
watching "Phantasm II." Although, it hasn't been *used* it years. ;-9

It was simply:
+1 reach, (Str)D dam <--adjusted for SRII/III

YMMV,
--Fenris
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Message no. 3
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:46:56 +0100
From: Logan Graves <Logan@************.virtualAve.net>
> It was simply:
> +1 reach, (Str)D dam <--adjusted for SRII/III

If I would have to make a damage code for a chainsaw it would be (Str)S with
a +1 reach. I wouldn't make it all that more lethal in damage level than a
Monofilament whip, which is supposed to be the
much-feared-on-the-streets-something-people-on-whisper-when-talking-about
weapon. I know that a lot of the deadliness from a monofilament whip comes
from the power of the attack (14 if I remember correctly), but still...

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 4
From: Wolfstar wolfstar@********.net
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:28:27 -0500
> From: Dennis Steinmeijer <dv8@********.nl>
> To: shadowrn@*********.com
> Subject: Re: Chainsaw Fun
> Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 6:46 AM
>
> If I would have to make a damage code for a chainsaw it would be (Str)S
with
> a +1 reach. I wouldn't make it all that more lethal in damage level than
a
> Monofilament whip, which is supposed to be the
> much-feared-on-the-streets-something-people-on-whisper-when-talking-about
> weapon. I know that a lot of the deadliness from a monofilament whip
comes
> from the power of the attack (14 if I remember correctly), but still...

One thing to note though, is that chainsaws only LOOK impressive. They're
EXTREMELY unwieldy and are about as good as a butterknife when it comes
to cutting through bone. The damage it does to fleshy bits, especially the
lower abdomen, can be quite impressive though.

Wolfstar
Message no. 5
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:34:03 +0100
From: Wolfstar <wolfstar@********.net>
> One thing to note though, is that chainsaws only LOOK impressive. They're
> EXTREMELY unwieldy and are about as good as a butterknife when it comes
> to cutting through bone. The damage it does to fleshy bits, especially the
> lower abdomen, can be quite impressive though.

Then I would rule that Impact Armor is doubled and Dermal Plating are also
rated double.

DV8

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 6
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:41:03 +0200
Dennis Steinmeijer wrote:
>
> From: Wolfstar <wolfstar@********.net>
> > One thing to note though, is that chainsaws only LOOK impressive. They're
> > EXTREMELY unwieldy and are about as good as a butterknife when it comes
> > to cutting through bone. The damage it does to fleshy bits, especially the
> > lower abdomen, can be quite impressive though.
>
> Then I would rule that Impact Armor is doubled and Dermal Plating are also
> rated double.
>

So you weren't brave enough to ask how wolfy knows that either?
--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

QVANTI CANICVLA ILLE IN FENESTRA
Message no. 7
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:44:09 +0100
From: Allen Versfeld <moe@*******.com>
> So you weren't brave enough to ask how wolfy knows that either?

No chance, buddy!

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is,..."
- John Milton, Paradise Lost
Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:29:06 -0800
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:46:56 +0100 "Dennis Steinmeijer" <dv8@********.nl>
writes:
> From: Logan Graves <Logan@************.virtualAve.net>
> > It was simply:
> > +1 reach, (Str)D dam <--adjusted for SRII/III

> If I would have to make a damage code for a chainsaw it would be (Str)S
with
> a +1 reach.

When I converted a chainsaw from Cyberpunk 2020, CP assigned it the same
damage as a shotgun. I can't remember if I gave it any reach bonus. The
end result was reach +0 or +1 10S Damage (I didn't make strength a factor
because the damage [IMO] comes from the motion of the chain, not the
swinging of the chainsaw ...)

--
D. Ghost
A Mathmatician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems
--Paul Erdos

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Message no. 9
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:32:25 -0500
Alfredo B Alves wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:46:56 +0100 "Dennis Steinmeijer"
<dv8@********.nl>
> writes:
> > From: Logan Graves <Logan@************.virtualAve.net>
> > > It was simply:
> > > +1 reach, (Str)D dam <--adjusted for SRII/III
> <SNIP>

> The
> end result was reach +0 or +1 10S Damage (I didn't make strength a factor
> because the damage [IMO] comes from the motion of the chain, not the
> swinging of the chainsaw ...)
>

I'd agree with that. Now if it was a regular saw, that'd be different. The
only thing is that the stronger you are, the better you can control the
chainsaw, and the deeper your swing becomes. I don't know, maybe a damage
code of (STR+7)S or something like that.

>
> --
> D. Ghost
> A Mathmatician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems
> --Paul Erdos
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Message no. 10
From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:15:09 -0700
Dennis Steinmeijer wrote:
>From: Logan Graves <Logan@************.virtualAve.net>
> > It was simply:
> > +1 reach, (Str)D dam <--adjusted for SRII/III
>
>If I would have to make a damage code for a chainsaw it would be (Str)S with
>a +1 reach. I wouldn't make it all that more lethal in damage level than a
>Monofilament whip, which is supposed to be the
>much-feared-on-the-streets-something-people-on-whisper-when-talking-about
>weapon. I know that a lot of the deadliness from a monofilament whip comes
>from the power of the attack (14 if I remember correctly), but still...

I wouldn't base the damage on strength. The chainsaw is actively causing
damage and strength and skill are used to guide it. I've used a chainsaw
quite a few times (grew up in the mountains of Colorado and helped dad cut
down trees for firewood), and pressing down on it didn't make it cut any
faster. It just heated up the blade, and bogged down the engine.

I would also recommend a high minimum strength requirement if anyone wants
to use it as a melee weapon, to overcome the gyroscopic properties of the
chainsaw.

To Life,
-Graht
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--
"Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ... and all is well."
Message no. 11
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Chainsaw Fun
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:52:23 +1100
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From: dbuehrer@******.carl.org <dbuehrer@******.carl.org>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2000 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: Chainsaw Fun


>I wouldn't base the damage on strength. The chainsaw is actively causing
>damage and strength and skill are used to guide it. I've used a chainsaw
>quite a few times (grew up in the mountains of Colorado and helped dad cut
>down trees for firewood), and pressing down on it didn't make it cut any
>faster. It just heated up the blade, and bogged down the engine.
>
>I would also recommend a high minimum strength requirement if anyone wants
>to use it as a melee weapon, to overcome the gyroscopic properties of the
>chainsaw.
>
>To Life,
>-Graht


As mentioned, a chainsaw would be unwieldy in most people's hands, but then
again there are those sculptors that do some cool stuff with a chainsaw, so
maybe you just need a lot of skill. Did anyone read that comic book 2000AD?
(now that it -is- 2000AD I'm sure they're changing the name) One of the
characters in that had a chainsword, which is pretty much what it sounds
like, a chainsaw built to be used as a sword. It would still be heavy and
unwieldy, but would have better balance and be easier to hold in the right
position. I think Warhammer might have also ripped off the idea.

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