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Message no. 1
From: Mike <cynner29@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler (coming back on topic)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:41:51 -0400
>Well sure Hitler looked like a rat in our eyes .. But then Charisma
>does not really have very much to do with looks .. You can look great
>but still have a very low charisma .. Secondly "we" are not exactly
>open minded about it .. we all think he was an evil man .. so
>there for our minds tells us he is bad and ugly .. and ofcause what
>was concidered as good looks in the 20's 30's and 40's was something
>different from what is concidered to be good looks today.

<snip>

>Goebbels was an awesome speech writer and well Hitler was a very good
>speaker .. and well they had quite a hugh public relations machine
>and that does alot to ..

Actually this illustrates the differences between Charisma amazingly well,
once you consider the fact that the largest audience he had was radio.
Without being able to see him, the people only had his words and delivery
to judge him on (aka Charisma). Even at the rallies seeing more than a
small figure in uniform waving his hands meant that you were already in the
high command or the elite troops of the army. Think back to the last
concert that you were at and that you had to sit away from the stage, you
probably have little more than a perception of what the artists look like.

I can't think of the two US presidential candidates that held the first
televised debate but I remember from Polisci that even though Guy A won the
debate, Guy B walked away with the election because he looked better on
camera.

Other real life figures that the difference between Charisma and Beauty is
noticable. (Beauty as defined by popular media)

Ronald Reagan - Ugly as a dog but was considered a warm person,
grandfatherly was a common description during his presidential terms.

Robin Williams - Everything casting directors avoid for a lead actor in
looks but Williams is undoubtly a Charismatic Adept.

Jean Claude Van Damme - Typifies male model standards but let him open his
mouth without a script and he manages to show his ass.

Winston Churchill - Attractive? Definitely not. But few before or since
could have galvinized the British to such an extent and kept them together
through the hell they went through.

Currently I handle looks by comparing the desires of the players to the
hysical attributes of the character. IMO, it's the best way to balance the
wishes of the player against gameplay. It also allows for a slow
progression of looks through physical improvements, which short of vanity
surgery is how it's done RL anyway.


Cynner -
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler (coming back on topic)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:10:13 -0600
Mike wrote:
|
| Currently I handle looks by comparing the desires of the players to the
| hysical attributes of the character. IMO, it's the best way to balance the
| wishes of the player against gameplay. It also allows for a slow
| progression of looks through physical improvements, which short of vanity
| surgery is how it's done RL anyway.

The best way, if you can get your players to do it, is just have them
write down a description of their character without using words
refering to "beauty" or "ugly". Combine that description with the
PC's charisma stat to decide whether or not NPCs find that character
attractive, beautiful, sexy, cute, handsome, etc. And be sure to
base it on the NPC's needs and wants Some people will be attracted
to a person with a "gorgeous" body and face no matter how poor the
person's charisma is. Others couldn't give a flying fig what a
person looks like and only care about their personality. (Most are
50/50.)

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."

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