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Message no. 1
From: Lord Saethar <saethar@*********.COM>
Subject: Chipjack Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:44:17 -0500
Hi all, new to the list.

Lets say I got this Decker, now he has a Chipjack, Datajack, and Display
Link. No he also a fetish for information of all types (He's spent around
10K in datasofts, everything from history to novels to "The Art of War").
Now will he need a datasoft link to view these when he slots them in his
chipjack? I'm under the impression that the datasoft link is like the
skillwires for KnowSofts, but I want to make sure. Also two other things,
can he slot a blank chip in his chip (or data) jack and write to it? The
other thing is headware memory, that book says that this represents the
compuational power of his headware, as well as actual storage space...so
does this mean he could say write a C compiler in headware memory and
actually run it?

Just wondering what others have to say on this.

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Message no. 2
From: roun <roun@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:20:45 PDT
| Hi all, new to the list.

let me be the first to greet you

| Lets say I got this Decker, now he has a Chipjack, Datajack, and Display
| Link. No he also a fetish for information of all types (He's spent around
| 10K in datasofts, everything from history to novels to "The Art of War").
| Now will he need a datasoft link to view these when he slots them in his
| chipjack? I'm under the impression that the datasoft link is like the
| skillwires for KnowSofts, but I want to make sure.

you are correct, the datasoft link is needed to access knowsofts

| Also two other things,
| can he slot a blank chip in his chip (or data) jack and write to it? The
| other thing is headware memory, that book says that this represents the
| compuational power of his headware, as well as actual storage space...so
| does this mean he could say write a C compiler in headware memory and
| actually run it?

you could only do this if hooked up to a cyberdeck or computer through your
datajack or had a cranial cyberdeck. you cannot just 'write' programs in
your head and transfer them to a chip or your memory. headware memory is
the computational power of your headware IF you have it hooked up to a deck
somehow as above. so no, he could not write programs or files, not even a
thank you letter to his mom for his birthday present "thanks for the
panther mom, even my merc contact couldn't get me THIS!!!!"

| Just wondering what others have to say on this.
|
| --
| Lord Saethar
| saethar@*********.com
|
| http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Labs/5085

hope this helps

roun aka david aka someone who had not slept for 43 hours and has never had
insomnia happen to him before and is totally exhausted but CANNOT get to
sleep and has to work at 12 noon, less than 5 hours away.....
roun@***.net

**you hear a little <<whimper>> in the corner...is it some supernatural
presence? a wimpy hearth spirit that stubbed it's toe on your collection
of martha stewart lifestyle magazines?? an invisible strike force of pound
puppies that are wrestling with the moral dilemma of whether they can love
you to death before you rip all their heads off???**

**nope, just your dog crying because you shot him in the a$$ because you
were trying to slice fuchi's mainframe code...of course it's not HIS fault
you couldn't handle the black IC....nooooo you were not distracted at all
by him taking advantage of the fact that you were oblivious to the meat
world and trying to HUMP your leg for five minutes**
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:58:38 +0100
Lord Saethar said on 8:44/14 Jun 98,...

> Hi all, new to the list.

Welcome!
Hope you enjoy your stay!
Be sure to read the FAQ!
:)

> Lets say I got this Decker, now he has a Chipjack, Datajack, and Display
> Link. No he also a fetish for information of all types (He's spent around
> 10K in datasofts, everything from history to novels to "The Art of War").
> Now will he need a datasoft link to view these when he slots them in his
> chipjack? I'm under the impression that the datasoft link is like the
> skillwires for KnowSofts, but I want to make sure.

A datasoft link is needed to access knowsofts, yes, and since
nothing is reall mentioned to make use of datasofts (except a
display link, and that lets you read data on your eye but nothing
else), I'd say that a datasoft link will also allow you to mentally
access the data -- so you "know" what it says, instead of having
to read it off your eye.

> Also two other things,
> can he slot a blank chip in his chip (or data) jack and write to it?

If you've got the cyberware to read from a chip, I feel you can
write to it as well using that same headware.

> The
> other thing is headware memory, that book says that this represents the
> compuational power of his headware, as well as actual storage space...so
> does this mean he could say write a C compiler in headware memory and
> actually run it?

IMHO you need an encephalon to actually run programs stored in
headware memory.

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Message no. 4
From: Paul Gettle <pgettle@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:09:29 -0400
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>The
>other thing is headware memory, that book says that this represents
the
>compuational power of his headware, as well as actual storage
space...so
>does this mean he could say write a C compiler in headware memory and
>actually run it?

The way I've always interperted that description is that having 100Mp
of headware memory is the cyberware equivilent to a 100Mp portable
computer, and that anything you could do on a 100Mp portable computer
in shadowrun, you can do on your headware memory, provided you had, a
display link (or it's equivilent) so you can see what you're doing on
the computer in your head.
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Message no. 5
From: Grahamdrew <grahamdrew@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:26 -0400
> If you've got the cyberware to read from a chip, I feel you can
> write to it as well using that same headware.

not nessicarily, the chips could be optical, live a CD-ROM drive. I
can't check the BBB right now, but does it ever mention if conventional
chips are optical or magnetic?
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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:46:02 +0100
Grahamdrew said on 12:14/15 Jun 98,...

> not nessicarily, the chips could be optical, live a CD-ROM drive. I
> can't check the BBB right now, but does it ever mention if conventional
> chips are optical or magnetic?

Not sure if SRII mentions that, but Shadowbeat and/or
Shadowtech do. For simplicity's sake, I would allow writing to
chips by characters who have the right cyberware to read from
them.

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Message no. 7
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:53:47 -0500
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:26 -0400 Grahamdrew <grahamdrew@***.NET>
writes:
>> If you've got the cyberware to read from a chip, I feel you can
>> write to it as well using that same headware.

>not nessicarily, the chips could be optical, live a CD-ROM drive. I
>can't check the BBB right now, but does it ever mention if conventional
>chips are optical or magnetic?
>--
<SNIP Sig>

I can't find it anywhere ... :( If the chips are optical, they'd need an
Optical Chip Encoder (See VR 2.0 page 83) ... hmmm ... a special version
of a chipjac/softlink/datajack could have an OCE built in ...

Speaking of VR 2.0 and softlinks ... Could someone with an Encephalon and
a datajack load (or d/l it from the `trix) a skillsoft (ie a Computer
Skillsoft) into a CDeck and use the skill as if he/she had it loaded into
a softlink?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:08:31 -0500
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:46:02 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Grahamdrew said on 12:14/15 Jun 98,...
>> not nessicarily, the chips could be optical, live a CD-ROM drive. I
>> can't check the BBB right now, but does it ever mention if
>conventional
>> chips are optical or magnetic?

>Not sure if SRII mentions that, but Shadowbeat and/or
>Shadowtech do. For simplicity's sake, I would allow writing to
>chips by characters who have the right cyberware to read from
>them.
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl -
<SNIP>

Doh! I keep forgetting about Shadowbeat ... pg 99 of said resource, "OMCs
are small enough to be concealed almost anywhere on one's person, and can
be carried plugged into a datajack for output from other cybersystems."
Considering the size of the chips (2 cm by 3 cm) I doubt that these are
what skillsofts are stored on (perhaps a smaller version). However, it
does indicate that the standard cyber includes read AND write
capabilities ... :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:33:15 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 12:53/15 Jun 98,...

> I can't find it anywhere ... :( If the chips are optical, they'd need an
> Optical Chip Encoder (See VR 2.0 page 83) ... hmmm ... a special version
> of a chipjac/softlink/datajack could have an OCE built in ...

Not necessarily. The chips used for cyberdecks might be a
different kind of chip than datasofts. Datasofts are deigned to be
written to and read from a lot, whileI'd imagine the chips used to
code MPCP and Persona programs into a cyberdeck, are desinged
to be read but not written to (WORM). They might be better at
retaining data stored into them over much longer periods of time,
which could necessitate special equipment to write to them.

> Speaking of VR 2.0 and softlinks ... Could someone with an Encephalon and
> a datajack load (or d/l it from the `trix) a skillsoft (ie a Computer
> Skillsoft) into a CDeck and use the skill as if he/she had it loaded into
> a softlink?

I allow skillsofts to be loaded into a computer and then piped into
the character's head through a datajack if the character has the
right headware to use the skillsoft. However, I don't think I'd let
a cyberdeck take the place of the headware, because cyberdecks
don't come equipped (IMO) with the interpretation hard- and
software needed to make use of the skillsoft.

OTOH if you'd somehow wire a datasoft link into a cyberdeck,
then I would allow it...

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Message no. 10
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:28:10 -0500
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:33:15 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Alfredo B Alves said on 12:53/15 Jun 98,...
<SNIP>
>> Speaking of VR 2.0 and softlinks ... Could someone with an Encephalon
and
>> a datajack load (or d/l it from the `trix) a skillsoft (ie a Computer
>> Skillsoft) into a CDeck and use the skill as if he/she had it loaded
into
>> a softlink?

>I allow skillsofts to be loaded into a computer and then piped into
>the character's head through a datajack if the character has the
>right headware to use the skillsoft. However, I don't think I'd let
>a cyberdeck take the place of the headware, because cyberdecks
>don't come equipped (IMO) with the interpretation hard- and
>software needed to make use of the skillsoft.
>
>OTOH if you'd somehow wire a datasoft link into a cyberdeck,
>then I would allow it...
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl -
<SNIP Sig>

But while you are decking, the Cumputer skill is a purely mental thing
(sometimes), so would the Encephalon sufice to allow the user to use the
Computer skill?

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Message no. 11
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:46:51 -0300
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
>
>
> I can't find it anywhere ... :( If the chips are optical, they'd need an
> Optical Chip Encoder (See VR 2.0 page 83) ... hmmm ... a special version
> of a chipjac/softlink/datajack could have an OCE built in ...

The chip's core is made of bacteriotherrhodopsin, a protein that
changes properties
under certain types of light... And are therefore optical.
I think there would be several kinds of chip... If it's a read-only
model (OC-ROM?), you'd
need an encoder to write it, and if it is a rewritable chip (such as
today's floppy disks), you
could use the reading device to write on it too... So one could buy a
"writable" chip and use a
softlink or chipjack to write stuff in it...

Bira
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:02:26 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 13:28/16 Jun 98,...

> But while you are decking, the Cumputer skill is a purely mental thing
> (sometimes), so would the Encephalon sufice to allow the user to use the
> Computer skill?

Damn, I did it again, didn't I?! I completely missed the bit about
"someone with an Encephalon" in the original post...

In that case, yes, I'd allow a character to load a knowsoft into a
cyberdeck's active memory and access it through the datajack
and encephalon. Without the encephalon orother skillsoft
interpretation cyberware, though, I wouldn't.

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Message no. 13
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:11:12 -0500
> Re: Chipjack Questions (Gurth , Wed 5:02)
>
> Alfredo B Alves said on 13:28/16 Jun 98,...
>
> > But while you are decking, the Cumputer skill is a purely mental thing
> > (sometimes), so would the Encephalon sufice to allow the user to use the
> > Computer skill?
>
> Damn, I did it again, didn't I?! I completely missed the bit about
> "someone with an Encephalon" in the original post...
>
> In that case, yes, I'd allow a character to load a knowsoft into a
> cyberdeck's active memory and access it through the datajack
> and encephalon. Without the encephalon orother skillsoft
> interpretation cyberware, though, I wouldn't.

Interesting idea- you could build a deck that is MOSTLY active memeory
just for this purpose.
In fact, we have had something like this in our game for a while. It
started whm my character realised he could not load softs without
removing his helmet, a bad thing to do with enviroseal armor. So he
figured Haz-Mat workers, who often need acsess to various data and skill
softs, would have some solutions he could use. One was a "pass trhough"
jack onthe armor / chemsuit- OK, but your chips get exposed. The next
step up was the "soft-jukebox", which litrally mounted on your head an
inserted and removed softs. This was just silly, so we assumed there
was a digital equivalent that held your softs and read/ replied the data
through a cable to your 'jack. Softswere changed like changing the chip
in a multi-chip simsense player- with a button, voice, or datajack
command.
This made itinto our campaign FAQ, under new gear, at
Http://www.concentric.net/evamarie/srmain.htm - check the "SOTA"
section, or any "House Faq" link.

-Mongoose
Message no. 14
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:05:09 EDT
In a message dated 6/18/98 4:41:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> Interesting idea- you could build a deck that is MOSTLY active
> memeory
> just for this purpose.
>
<snipped the idea>

Actually, my group uses these on occasion, especially if they manage to make
it physically inside to a terminal, then they "upload" from a permanent chip
the program collection (the VR Deck) and use the system's own resources to run
away with their cash...

-K
Message no. 15
From: atrocity <atrocity@****.DE>
Subject: Re: Chipjack Questions
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:30:31 +0200
> But while you are decking, the Cumputer skill is a purely mental thing
>
> (sometimes), so would the Encephalon sufice to allow the user to use
> the
> Computer skill?
>

It is. The Encephalon even alows Rigger to use Vehicle Soft without
Skillwires if they`re jacked in, so the soft loaded into the encephalon
does the same for deckers.

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