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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Coffee beans vs. astral perception (was Re: A dissertation o
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:11:53 +0100
David Buehrer said on 8:09/13 May 98...

> Except that coffee beans for making coffee have been roasted, killing
> them.

That would be the [damn I forgot the word I used :)] process I referred to
in my post.

> I do feel that living seeds would prevent astral intrusions though.

So, you need to transport seeds that aren't killed before transport.
Various kinds of grain, perhaps, or soy beans? Fill half the cargo hold of
a ship with grain, put in your "merchandise," and fill the rest of the
cargo hold.

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Coffee beans vs. astral perception (was Re: A dissertation o
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:31:41 +0100
MC23 said on 12:49/14 May 98...

> Whether the beans are alive or dead, Assensing does not give you
> x-ray vision. All you can see is the box. Open it up and you will see
> beans. It's just a matter of if you can pass through it Astrally.

Yes, and if you can get through it astrally, you can see what's inside.
There's bound to be life between those roasted coffee beans (bacteria come
to mind), so if there's something hidden among the beans you can find it.
With living beans, you can't get through on the astral plane so you won't
know if there's something hidden either.

And yes, there are the conventional methods, like prodding into the heap
of seeds with long sticks or even offloading the cargo altogether, but it
seems unlikely they'd do that with every ship of grain that comes into a
port.

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Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Coffee beans vs. astral perception (was Re: A dissertation o
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:25:43 -0400
Once upon a time, Gurth wrote;

>MC23 said on 12:49/14 May 98...
>
>> Whether the beans are alive or dead, Assensing does not give you
>> x-ray vision. All you can see is the box. Open it up and you will see
>> beans. It's just a matter of if you can pass through it Astrally.
>
>Yes, and if you can get through it astrally, you can see what's inside.
>There's bound to be life between those roasted coffee beans (bacteria come
>to mind), so if there's something hidden among the beans you can find it.

But even then your head would have to be smacked against it to see
it because you cannot see through the beans. They would be consistently
blocking vision. Beans within and in front of astral eyes still block
vision very well.

>With living beans, you can't get through on the astral plane so you won't
>know if there's something hidden either.

True.

>And yes, there are the conventional methods, like prodding into the heap
>of seeds with long sticks or even offloading the cargo altogether, but it
>seems unlikely they'd do that with every ship of grain that comes into a
>port.

For all intensive purposes, trying to astrally assense the crates
are just as efficient as mundane reasons. All you might get out of it is
secrecy in your search. Of course if they're smuggling I'd expect some
sort of astral watcher over it.

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Coffee beans vs. astral perception (was Re: A dissertation o
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:42:02 +0100
MC23 said on 16:25/14 May 98...

> >Yes, and if you can get through it astrally, you can see what's inside.
> >There's bound to be life between those roasted coffee beans (bacteria come
> >to mind), so if there's something hidden among the beans you can find it.
>
> But even then your head would have to be smacked against it to see
> it because you cannot see through the beans. They would be consistently
> blocking vision. Beans within and in front of astral eyes still block
> vision very well.

*sigh* Why do I get this impression you're thinking of astral perception
while I'm thinking full astral projection?

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Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Coffee beans vs. astral perception (was Re: A dissertation o
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:44:09 EDT
In a message dated 5/15/98 4:45:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gurth@******.NL writes:

> > But even then your head would have to be smacked against it to see
> > it because you cannot see through the beans. They would be consistently
> > blocking vision. Beans within and in front of astral eyes still block
> > vision very well.
>
> *sigh* Why do I get this impression you're thinking of astral perception
> while I'm thinking full astral projection?
>
I don't know Gurth, I think on both concepts, the "Living Beans" would work as
an obstacle of some form. Perceptually it would be like looking through a
"Living Wall", while Astral Projection would be hindered as well. Now at what
point the density becomes overwhelming enough that the living auras actually
do function as a "Wall", I am uncertain, especially if it's "bacteria
based"
now, instead of "Living Plant" based (the actual beans themselves).

All IMO of course.
-K

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