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Message no. 1
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@****.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:54:59 +0100 (MET)
Matti M. Aistrich wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:
> > But don't current (199X) grenades NOT go off unless you remove the pin, and
> > release your hand from a grip on them? Agreed, this is a HILARIUOS
> > situation...but it's just the nit-picker in me :)
> >
> Yes, you have to release the handle (or whatever it's called in English)...
> but that still doesn't mean having a live grenade in your hand wouldn't
> be of some concern...

Ever tried to lock-pick a door one-handedly? With a live grenade in the
other hand? I know I wouldn't like trying...

Sascha
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Message no. 2
From: "St. Jean, Ricky" <stjeanr@*******.CANADOREC.ON.CA>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 21:58:00 PST
Matti M. Aistrich wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Tal Kedem wrote:
> > But don't current (199X) grenades NOT go off unless you remove the pin,
and
> > release your hand from a grip on them? Agreed, this is a HILARIUOS
> > situation...but it's just the nit-picker in me :)
> >
> Yes, you have to release the handle (or whatever it's called in
English)...
> but that still doesn't mean having a live grenade in your hand wouldn't
> be of some concern...

Ever tried to lock-pick a door one-handedly? With a live grenade in the
other hand? I know I wouldn't like trying...

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Message no. 3
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:13:54 +0200 (EET)
On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, St. Jean, Ricky wrote:

> Matti M. Aistrich wrote:
> > >
> > Yes, you have to release the handle (or whatever it's called in
> English)...
> > but that still doesn't mean having a live grenade in your hand wouldn't
> > be of some concern...
>
> Ever tried to lock-pick a door one-handedly? With a live grenade in the
> other hand? I know I wouldn't like trying...
>
Nope, I've only once had a live grenade in my hand, and boy did I get rid
of it darn fast... :-) but a neat thing happened when we practiced throwing
grenades in basic training with pseudo-grenades (=pieces of metal). We
did it one at a time, with the sarge watching. One guy took the grenade
in his left hand, pulled the pin with his right, then switched the
grenade from one hand to another for throwing. The sarge completely
lost it, and of course the rookie had no idea what he had done wrong
before it was spelled out to him.


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Message no. 4
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 11:37:46 EST
>
> Put the grenade in your mouth. Look ma no hands or face.
>
And as I said before, if you try to pull a grenade pin out with your
teeth, you will most likely pull out your front teeth.

Pete
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Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
Email address: bx955@*******.carleton.ca
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Message no. 5
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:31:51 +0100 (MET)
On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Peter David Boddy wrote:

> >
> > Put the grenade in your mouth. Look ma no hands or face.
> >
> And as I said before, if you try to pull a grenade pin out with your
> teeth, you will most likely pull out your front teeth.

Unless you look like Jaws...
Anyway, couldn't you use the molars instead? Hey, just a thought.

-Jonas Gabrielson
Message no. 6
From: Peter David Boddy <pdboddy@****.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 12:03:32 EST
Jonas Gabrielson writes:
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Peter David Boddy wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Put the grenade in your mouth. Look ma no hands or face.
> > >
> > And as I said before, if you try to pull a grenade pin out with your
> > teeth, you will most likely pull out your front teeth.
>
> Unless you look like Jaws...
> Anyway, couldn't you use the molars instead? Hey, just a thought.
>
I suppose you could try, though it would be difficult. Try it. Make a
fist and stick your thumb out. Now try to bite your thumb with your back
molars, keeping in mind that the pin may be longer or shorter than your
thumb. And remember, the metal/plastic composite of the pin may also chip
or crack your teeth, which, in certain circumstance, may be more painful
than loosing a tooth.

Also, some grenades me be too oddly shaped to allow you to grab the pin
with your back teeth. I mean the horse shoe shaped ones, and the frisbee
grenades.

Pete
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Carleton University
Email address: pdboddy@****.carleton.ca
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Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:47:26 +1030
>Also, some grenades me be too oddly shaped to allow you to grab the pin
>with your back teeth. I mean the horse shoe shaped ones, and the frisbee
>grenades.

Why pull the pin out with your teeth, anyway? Pull the pin out normally,
then hold it in your mouth if you don't want to chuck it away just yet...


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Message no. 8
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:09:34 -0800
We used to afix a snap hook to the combat harness just for that purpose.
It's difficult to get a wetsuit gloved finger thru the ring, and if you
do -- you can't get rid of it when you need to shoot.
Message no. 9
From: Sakura <jeffj@**.com>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:58:40 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Russ Myrick wrote:

> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:09:34 -0800
> From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
> To: shadowrn@********.itribe.net
> Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
>
> We used to afix a snap hook to the combat harness just for that purpose.
> It's difficult to get a wetsuit gloved finger thru the ring, and if you
> do -- you can't get rid of it when you need to shoot.

Don't many people attach the grenade to the harness by the ring? That
way, you can yank it off and have it ready to throw in one motion. (And
from what I know, it takes a very deliberate effort to pull the pin on a
grenade...it's not likely to happen accidentally.)

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Message no. 10
From: melchar@****.darkside.com (Melchar)
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 12:08:40 PST
Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au> writes:

> >Also, some grenades me be too oddly shaped to allow you to grab the pin
> >with your back teeth. I mean the horse shoe shaped ones, and the frisbee
> >grenades.
>
> Why pull the pin out with your teeth, anyway? Pull the pin out normally,
> then hold it in your mouth if you don't want to chuck it away just yet...

Cuz all the vids show marines doing it with their teeth, of course.
<grin>
Message no. 11
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:56:13 +0100
Sakura said on 26 Mar 96...

> Don't many people attach the grenade to the harness by the ring? That
> way, you can yank it off and have it ready to throw in one motion. (And
> from what I know, it takes a very deliberate effort to pull the pin on a
> grenade...it's not likely to happen accidentally.)

"Don't John Wayne your grenades, LT." (1 karma to the first to know where
that came from :) I have this feeling that accidentally pulling the pin
*does* happen, why else would most web gear since WW1 make provisions for
safely carrying hand grenades?

[history lesson mode]
Taking the American military as an example, that used to use separate
pouches for grenades (three bags underneath one another, hooked to the
equipment belt), but since 1956 the U.S. Army's ammo pouches can carry
two grenades on the outside of each pouch, by slipping the fly-off lever
behind a loop, and then placing another loop around the top of the
grenade. The 1980s' ALICE web gear goes a step further and has a pocket on
each side of the small arms ammunition pouch, into which on hand grenade
will fit with a little strap over the top.
[HLM off]

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Message no. 12
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:40:17 -0800
> Don't many people attach the grenade to the harness by the ring? That
> way, you can yank it off and have it ready to throw in one motion.
> (And from what I know, it takes a very deliberate effort to pull the
> pin on a grenade...it's not likely to happen accidentally.)

Only FNGs or in the movies. Depending on the grenade (manufacturer,
type, composition, etc.) you can expect it to weigh in between 1# & 5#.
Unless your dealing with micro/mini-s, they're 2-10 ouncers. At any rate
even the 1# poppers will make a jump for it when you're rappeling or hit
the silk. I've seen this several times (bad news if the FNG forgot to
tape the spoon) and results in lost time trying to find it. Normally we
carry them in the pockets of the ammo pouches, spoons taped or held down
with a heavy rubber band (I prefer duct tape -- it does not break in the
arctic cold, and it's easier to hide the smell. BTW when they show up
from the factory those assembly line folks are kind enough to package
them in individual card board sleaves (serves the same purpose as the
tape while it's in the case), I SUGGEST checking each pin before removing
the sleave ..... about 1 in 5 cases will have a loose or missing pin
(thwip. sping! Oops! BOOM!) And another thing, not all manufacturer's
bend the end of the cotter pin to make it a deliberate action to pull the
ring -- DuPont used to be real bad about this.

Get hold of a special forces type in your area, they can teach you a lot
about real life in the bush, it's the closest thing most gun jocks get to
using the kind of firepower we use in SR on a day to day basis. Besides
about 1/3 are trained in urban concealed combat methods (read anti-terr).
Message no. 13
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:30:23 -0800
> Cuz all the vids show marines doing it with their teeth, of course.
> <grin>

And we all know that marines have dental implants to replace their brains
don't we.
Message no. 14
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:43:24 -0800
Nicely done Gurth.
Message no. 15
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:40:07 -0600
>> Cuz all the vids show marines doing it with their teeth, of course.
>> <grin>
>
>And we all know that marines have dental implants to replace their brains
>don't we.
>
For the military humor impaired:

Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected
and
Uncle Sams Misguided Children

If any of you are Marines and are insulted by this, deal with it. It's a joke.
Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:49:41 +0100
Russ Myrick said on 27 Mar 96...

> Nicely done Gurth.

That's what you get if you've, for some reason, got a couple of those
things in your room... Sad, isn't it? :)

(Now all I need is two one-quart canteens to go with the carriers...)

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Message no. 17
From: BOB <R3EGK@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: re: re;comic moments/hand grenades
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 11:43:00 EST
on wed, 27 Mar 96 07:40:17 Russ wrote:

(DISCLAIMER: this mail is totally meant in jest, and I am not trying to anger
the originalsender of the message...I just found it humorous):)
>get hold ofa special forces type in your area

I don't knowabout where all youguys live, but I don't live out in the Ozarks
with all the survivalists.....the closest thing I got is a gun nut(who plays
the Kernal in U-Genes campiagn) anyway most special forces types probably
don't put sign out in front of their bunkers:)
|--------------------------|
| Special Forces Type |
| |
| all services available |
| inquire within.. |
|---------| |------------|
| |

sorry done ranting:) (ha ha hehe)

-<<<<Shameful in St. Louis(sp?)>>>>-
Message no. 18
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:29:57 GMT
In message <199603272141.QAA24228@*****.itribe.net> mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com
(Mike Broadwater) writes:
> For the military humor impaired:
>
> Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected
> and
> Uncle Sams Misguided Children

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment SIR!!! is one of the other ones.

On the other hand, look down at your chest in the US Army, and the tape
reads (going backwards...)

Yes My Redneck Ass Signed Up

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him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him." <R.A. Lafferty>

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 19
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:00:03 -0800
> That's what you get if you've, for some reason, got a couple of those
> things in your room... Sad, isn't it? :)

I was short once. Now I'm out -- CivLant Whee!

> (Now all I need is two one-quart canteens to go with the carriers...)

Plastic?
Black, Green, or White?

Aluminum?
Matt Black or Brushed?
Message no. 20
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:59:59 +0200 (EET)
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Russ Myrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity:

> tape the spoon) and results in lost time trying to find it. Normally we
> carry them in the pockets of the ammo pouches, spoons taped or held down

what are you?

> with a heavy rubber band (I prefer duct tape -- it does not break in the
> arctic cold, and it's easier to hide the smell. BTW when they show up

And where are you?

> Get hold of a special forces type in your area, they can teach you a lot
> about real life in the bush, it's the closest thing most gun jocks get to

"Sorry man, are you a green beret or something? Mind if I ask you about
this thing I have in this game I play, one of my friends says if you
shoot a guy in the head with a grenade launcher its ripped off at the
throat before the grenade explodes, whadda ya think?" :-)

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Message no. 21
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:16:24 +0100 (MET)
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Matti Aistrich wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Russ Myrick wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity:
>
> > tape the spoon) and results in lost time trying to find it. Normally we
> > carry them in the pockets of the ammo pouches, spoons taped or held down
>
> what are you?

I'm the Spawn(tm) of evil!
I'm the Horror(tm) that plagues you every night!
I'm ... DARKWING DUCK!!!!!!!!

> > with a heavy rubber band (I prefer duct tape -- it does not break in the
> > arctic cold, and it's easier to hide the smell. BTW when they show up
>
> And where are you?

Where do you think, snot-brain?
I'm coming to get you...

> > Get hold of a special forces type in your area, they can teach you a lot
> > about real life in the bush, it's the closest thing most gun jocks get to
>
> "Sorry man, are you a green beret or something? Mind if I ask you about
> this thing I have in this game I play, one of my friends says if you
> shoot a guy in the head with a grenade launcher its ripped off at the
> throat before the grenade explodes, whadda ya think?" :-)

"Not this time, Baron Orwell! I will foil your evil scheme!"

-Jonas Gabrielson, living for saturday morning cartoons :-)
Message no. 22
From: Matti Aistrich <aistrich@********.hkkk.fi>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:26:23 +0200 (EET)
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jonas Gabrielson wrote:

> > And where are you?
>
> Where do you think, snot-brain?
> I'm coming to get you...

Coming to take me away, ha haa he hee ho hoo... :-)

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Message no. 23
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: re;comic moments/hand grenades
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 06:56:59 -0800
> ...the closest thing I got is a gun nut(who plays the Kernal in U-Genes
> campiagn) anyway most special forces types probably don't put sign out
> in front of their bunkers:)
> |--------------------------|
> | Special Forces Type |
> | |
> | all services available |
> | inquire within.. |
> |---------| |------------|
> | |
> Yeh, you're right about the lack of advertisement, in the normal sense.
The next time you go out to a bar that's NOT noted for it's rowdy fights,
check out the little guy that's: 1) being isolated from the crowd by the
bouncers, 2) is staying fairly sober (They'll nurse a beer for 3 hours I
swear), and 3) has the same expression of a doberman that wants to play
with the enighbor's cat. It's an even bet he's a SEAL. I don't know
what it is about those guys, but they draw bouncers itching for a fight
like flies to a pig sty -- even when they're not looking to tumble.

As a general rule though, finding your local "SF Type" should be
considered to be in the same category as undertaking a holy quest.
Message no. 24
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Comic Moments / Hand Grenades
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:04:35 -0800
[Begin Mission Impossible Theme Now]

Matti Aistrich wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Russ Myrick wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity:
>
> what are you?

One time Sailor/Bubble Head full time deniable asset

> And where are you?

Points south of Ground Zero, Nebraska

> "Sorry man, are you a green beret or something?

Official Title: Command Enlisted Member SEAL Team Liason (I teach the SF
types how to close the screen door when they leave the sub.)

Unofficially: I've lost my extra baggage status participating in
"training exercises" with various SF units.

> Mind if I ask you about this thing I have in this game I play, one of
> my friends says if you shoot a guy in the head with a grenade launcher
> its ripped off at the throat before the grenade explodes, whadda ya
> think?" :-)
Depends on the round you have chambered and your range to target -- If
you're less than the arming distance of the round you may break his/her
neck, splatter it like a tomato on a brick wall (the head mind you),
punch a hole through their face, or it bounces. OTH if you're over the
arming range it'll make an impressively large mess.

Now that I've told you all of this, you realize that I have to kill you
in a most hideous manner? <BEG>
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