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Message no. 1
From: Marcin Serkies <yasiu@******.COM>
Subject: Common Sense
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:08:59 +0200
At 03:12 27.06.97 EDT, you wrote:

>Also, if someone ever put a burst-fire shotgun into a character's mouth
>and pulled the trigger repeatedly I don't think I would allow the
>character to roll his/her Body to resist, never mind that there are no
>conditions listed when SR states the damage rules. Just common sence.
>Same goes for what get's damaged when.... just use common sence.

That`s right - for non-good explained rules use common sense as well as for
things not covered in rules. It`s very important but i think that too few
GM`s are using that well...

c-ya

Yasiu
Message no. 2
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Common Sense
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:00:40 +0100
> >Also, if someone ever put a burst-fire shotgun into a character's mouth
> >and pulled the trigger repeatedly I don't think I would allow the
> >character to roll his/her Body to resist, never mind that there are no
> >conditions listed when SR states the damage rules. Just common sence.
> >Same goes for what get's damaged when.... just use common sence.

No way I won't allow the characters to defend them... They can always
roll body dice. You, as a gamemaster, are free to modify the target
number, however... In the case of the shotgun, no armor for the
character applies, so the target# should be about 12. by giving the
shotgun a load of additional successes, the character's chances are
about 1: 999999 (no, I didn't calculate it...just a guess)
He surely will die from the shot, but he still has a chance... as in
real life... you can survive anything... theoretically...

IMHO ss
Message no. 3
From: Mongoose <tomnphx@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Common Sense
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:04:24 -0700
> > >Also, if someone ever put a burst-fire shotgun into a character's
mouth
> > >and pulled the trigger repeatedly I don't think I would allow the
> > >character to roll his/her Body to resist, never mind that there
are no
> > >conditions listed when SR states the damage rules. Just common
sence.
> > >Same goes for what get's damaged when.... just use common sence.
>
> No way I won't allow the characters to defend them... They can always
> roll body dice. You, as a gamemaster, are free to modify the target
> number, however... In the case of the shotgun, no armor for the
> character applies, so the target# should be about 12. by giving the
> shotgun a load of additional successes, the character's chances are
> about 1: 999999 (no, I didn't calculate it...just a guess)
> He surely will die from the shot, but he still has a chance... as in
> real life... you can survive anything... theoretically...

I would have to agree. There should always be a chance to live. You
may not be pretty after it is all over, or even functional, but there
should be a chance. Take the above example, if the character did live
(basiclly he got real lucky), he probably would be no better than a
vegtable. After all there are worse things than dying...

Mongoose
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Message no. 4
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Common Sense
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:27:55 -0700
---Mongoose wrote:
>
> After all there are worse things than dying...

Hey! Welcome to the list Mongoose!

The Bull-bot should be by to welcome you officially.

For those interested, Mongoose is another one of the victims...err
players in my group.

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Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Common Sense
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:40:43 -0400
At 03:27 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Loki wrote these timeless words:
>---Mongoose wrote:
>>
>> After all there are worse things than dying...
>
>Hey! Welcome to the list Mongoose!
>
>The Bull-bot should be by to welcome you officially.
>
Hoi Mongoose...:] Sorry this is a little late, but... I've been off line
once again... Unfortunately, I can't hack free e-mail access half as well
as my alter ego...:]

Anyways, here's the official Hello...:]

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>For those interested, Mongoose is another one of the victims...err
>players in my group.
>
<grin>

From talking to Caric (Hi Craig! <grin> and Loki, it sounds like your lucky
enough to be in one good group. Glad to have you aboard?

BTW: Are Asher and Rookie still around? haven't seen anything from them
in a while...

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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Common Sense
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:39:35 +0100
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Message no. 7
From: JKeith Henry neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Common Sense
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:21:53 -0500
From: "kawaii" <trunks@********.org>
Subject: Re: Common Sense was Re: A Van that etc...


> Because a lot of GMs skip that little disclaimer in the front of all RPGs
> that says, "Change whatever you don't like. It is your game" part and
> believe that the words written in the books are law, passed down from the
> almighty DLOHs. ;)
>
> Either that, or they get sweet-talked by their players. ;)

Uhm, erm.... wait a second. Someone Kawaii, I think you got that disclaimer
thing backwards. I would think it would be more like "Because a lot of GM's
READ that little disclaimer in the front of ...". Or am I not getting your
intended meaning correctly?


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Message no. 8
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Common Sense
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:46 -0400
Around 02:21 PM 5/30/00, JKeith Henry was mumbling about:
>From: "kawaii" <trunks@********.org>
>Subject: Re: Common Sense was Re: A Van that etc...
>
>
> > Because a lot of GMs skip that little disclaimer in the front of all RPGs
> > that says, "Change whatever you don't like. It is your game" part and
> > believe that the words written in the books are law, passed down from the
> > almighty DLOHs. ;)
> >
> > Either that, or they get sweet-talked by their players. ;)
>
>Uhm, erm.... wait a second. Someone Kawaii, I think you got that disclaimer
>thing backwards. I would think it would be more like "Because a lot of GM's
>READ that little disclaimer in the front of ...". Or am I not getting your
>intended meaning correctly?

What I think he means is that random GM A lets a player do something that
while following the letter of the rules breaks the spirit of them. He does
this by letting the player sweet talk him into doing something just because
its in the book. GM A is forgetting Meta-Rule #1, as shown in that
disclaimer, that any rule can be changed if you are the GM.

Of course, I also follow Meta-Rule #2, that any rule that is changed for
the benefit of the player's also benefits the NPC's.

Sure you can use the Rule of 6 for Initiative. So can they...

Sommers
Aerospace engineers build weapon systems. Civil engineers build targets.

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