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Message no. 1
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:15:55 -0400
As I sit here typing on my University-provided Macintrash, I am
idly flipping through the new Corporate Security sourcebook. On first
glance, I can only say that it's *evil.* Lots of new ways to make
players lives utterly miserable. I'll keep reading and let you know what
the final skinny is.

Marc
Message no. 2
From: pran r mukherjee <pran@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:14:09 -0400
Two words, Marc: YOU DIE!! Or, said in a different way, "I weeeel
keeeel you." You mustn't let your gun-happy, evil, twisted mind absorb
any more of this stuff, or a certain cat-type-"cheese-love-some-bitch"
won't survive the run we're on now. To quote CB-White Boy, "I beg of you!"

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!V -po+ Y+ t+ 5+ j- R++(+) G@ tv b+++ !D B--- e+@>+++
!y+*>y+ u+* h(-)(!) f+ !r-->r+(++) ne@

On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Marc A Renouf wrote:

> As I sit here typing on my University-provided Macintrash, I am
> idly flipping through the new Corporate Security sourcebook. On first
> glance, I can only say that it's *evil.* Lots of new ways to make
> players lives utterly miserable. I'll keep reading and let you know what
> the final skinny is.
>
> Marc
>
Message no. 3
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:00:46 -0400
On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, pran r mukherjee wrote:

> Two words, Marc: YOU DIE!! Or, said in a different way, "I weeeel
> keeeel you." You mustn't let your gun-happy, evil, twisted mind absorb
> any more of this stuff, or a certain cat-type won't survive the run
> we're on now.

My players...they love me. ;)

Marc
Message no. 4
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 20:40:26 -0400
Does anyone remember our little "bacteria on the astral" debate
that raged several months ago? Well, that very thing is included in the
Corporate Security handbook. (Almost makes me think they read this list
after all...) Very ugly indeed. They also have net-guns
that use nets laced with the little buggers to snag astrally projecting
opponents. No fun.
Anyway, there's lots of good stuff in there, and they finally
deal with rigger-controlled security systems (which just get
complicated). Also, they have the whole "casting spells through
fibre-optics" schmeer, but they make it pretty damn impossible to do it
through any appreciable length (higher target numbers and even higher
drain codes...ouch).
Some of the stuff is reprinted (especially the cardreader/keypad
stuff from the NAGRL, along with a few other random sundries, but it's
all in the same place and presented fairly spiffily. There's also some
ugly new equipment (shotgun-style Ares Squirt, anyone?) and a few new
drones. Oh yeah, and stats for your typical security pukes ranging from
the donut-munching patrol guard to the drek-hot "executive security
specialist." All in all, a pretty righteous sourcebook.

Marc
Message no. 5
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 08:58:58 BST
Marc wrote :-
> Does anyone remember our little "bacteria on the astral" debate
> that raged several months ago? Well, that very thing is included in the
> Corporate Security handbook. (Almost makes me think they read this list
> after all...) Very ugly indeed. They also have net-guns
> that use nets laced with the little buggers to snag astrally projecting
> opponents. No fun.

Yeah, time for the PC's to get scared, and the list to crank up the VOLUME
a bit.

Now that we have netguns full of bacteria to hold mages up (they fall
through the floor to get away from it BTW, so fill some floor space with
more bacteria), how long till we have bullets-containing-bacteria again?

Oh shit, I said it.

not just shotgun style Ares squirt; AUTO-SUIRTS (Assault rifle with BF,
firing squirt anyone!).

And some new druges scopalamine beta (or something),


Watch my PC's squirm as I try to intoduce them to _realistic_ security
systems!
Phil (Renegade)
Message no. 6
From: Jason Ustica <usticaj@**.ERAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 01:16:27 -0700
On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, P Ward wrote:

[misc. stuff deleted]
>
> not just shotgun style Ares squirt; AUTO-SUIRTS (Assault rifle with BF,
> firing squirt anyone!).

Am I the only one whole thinks 'Squirts' are the absolute lamest thing
FASA has made? What self respecting 'runner would walk around with a damn
squirt gun? They may be deadly, but they have absolutely no dramatic
value whatsoever. Now we have the 'Auto-Squirt'. Great. Is it powered by
two AA batteries? When do we get the 'Super-Soaker' squirt? Will they be
in groovy neon colors? Will there be a backpack version, so you don't
have to refill the bottle every five minutes?

> Watch my PC's squirm as I try to intoduce them to _realistic_ security
> systems!

I hope you don't put the 'Squirt' technology in the realistic security
catagory. I would probably get captured from laughing so hard after being
accosted by squirtgun armed security guards. ("Halt! or we'll water-log
you!").

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Message no. 7
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:24:58 BST
> Am I the only one whole thinks 'Squirts' are the absolute lamest thing
> FASA has made? What self respecting 'runner would walk around with a damn
> squirt gun? They may be deadly, but they have absolutely no dramatic
> value whatsoever. Now we have the 'Auto-Squirt'. Great. Is it powered by
> two AA batteries? When do we get the 'Super-Soaker' squirt? Will they be
> in groovy neon colors? Will there be a backpack version, so you don't
> have to refill the bottle every five minutes?

Well, all my players bar one (the one who actually has tactical sense)
laugh at squirt guns.

I haven't shown them how lethal they are.


You play Cyberpunk? Squirt/paintball guns loaded with acid were very
unpleasant.


Don't laugh at something that can hit with the same target number
as a regular pistol, does 6D stun (Narcoject), very time it hits,
and which armour DOES NOT [protect against (unless you're running
around with Haevy stuff on).

It might look silly, but so does lying on the floor sleeping like
baby because you weren't wearing a chem-suit that'll stop DMSO.


Phil (Renegade who uses one! Stop sniggering at the back, I have
firearms 9 and I know how to use this thing :-)


OTOH I'd rahter be hit by one of these than an AR on fully auto :-)
Message no. 8
From: robert frazine <shade@*****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:06:14 -0400
Oh yeah...we sure do love you...especially when you leave us hanging
for weeks on end...or you say " You see a woman spin out of the shadows
fire both of her ares predators and spin away before you have a chance
to react. Roll your body." All bow to the Laughing Bitch and to the
sadistic mind that created her...

<Grin>
Message no. 9
From: Richard Osterhout <Bitrunner@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 15:26:31 -0400
> > not just shotgun style Ares squirt; AUTO-SUIRTS (Assault
> rifle with BF, > firing squirt anyone!).
>
> Am I the only one whole thinks 'Squirts' are the absolute
> lamest thing FASA has made? What self respecting 'runner would
> walk around with a damn squirt gun? They may be deadly, but
> they have absolutely no dramatic value whatsoever. Now we have
> the 'Auto-Squirt'. Great. Is it powered by two AA batteries?
> When do we get the 'Super-Soaker' squirt? Will they be in
> groovy neon colors? Will there be a backpack version, so you
> don't have to refill the bottle every five minutes?
>
> > Watch my PC's squirm as I try to intoduce them to
> _realistic_ security > systems!
>
> I hope you don't put the 'Squirt' technology in the realistic
> security catagory. I would probably get captured from laughing
> so hard after being accosted by squirtgun armed security
> guards. ("Halt! or we'll water-log you!").

um, obviously you haven't considered all the possibilities of the "Squirt"
line... with chemicals like Beta-Scopalomine, it makes a very effective
weapon... also, with the ELDAR rifle, you can use chemical rounds similar to
the squirt, or paint rounds, acid, whatever... and has been mentioned, they
penetrate most armors...

i, for one, find them VERY useful weapons...

ps: the "supersoaker" is exactly what the cascade is based on...
Message no. 10
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 16:42:34 -0400
On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, robert frazine wrote:

> Oh yeah...we sure do love you...especially when you leave us hanging
> for weeks on end...or you say " You see a woman spin out of the shadows
> fire both of her ares predators and spin away before you have a chance
> to react. Roll your body."

Hey, she didn't shoot you, now, did she. And is it my fault you
weren't paying attention to the surroundings?

> All bow to the Laughing Bitch and to the sadistic mind that created her...

Actually, you're not gonna believe this, but I took that entire
run straight out of a truly messed-up nightmare that I had the week
before. And admit it. You loved every painful, gut wrenching minute of
it. Until they carted your ass off to jail, that is.

Marc ("I kill all the witnesses..." Yeah, in front of a camera.)
Message no. 11
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:46:51 BST
Hey, FASA have solved the bacteria filled bullet thing, with one
off-the-cuff comment from a decker/mage.

the virus hits the mage, and the physical momentum of the thing spins
hom round till the bullet is free to keep moving. But it doesn''t blow
a hole in him, because that's not how astral space works. The aura
is a solid thing that you can't cut pieces off from.

(sorry for the technical terms for all you non-wizzers out there ;-) )


Easy.

Now what exactly do they mean by mathesis (sp), when two astral bodies
are forced togethe. ie when a bacterially alive bet-gun round forces
a mage down to the floor and he hits an FAB (Fat bacteria) wall?

Sounds very nasty

Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
Message no. 12
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Corporate Security
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:07:55 GMT
> From: P Ward <P.Ward@***************.cardiff.ac.uk>

> Hey, FASA have solved the bacteria filled bullet thing, with one
> off-the-cuff comment from a decker/mage.
>
> the virus hits the mage, and the physical momentum of the thing spins
> hom round till the bullet is free to keep moving. But it doesn''t blow
> a hole in him, because that's not how astral space works. The aura
> is a solid thing that you can't cut pieces off from.
>
I agree.

> Easy.
>
> Now what exactly do they mean by mathesis (sp), when two astral bodies
> are forced togethe. ie when a bacterially alive bet-gun round forces
> a mage down to the floor and he hits an FAB (Fat bacteria) wall?
>
> Sounds very nasty
>
> Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
>
As i see it these nets are useless unless the mage hits something,
thet have far more 'mass' than an astral mage so if you just shoot
one at a mage he will simply go flying back until the net stops or
hits a wall. If that wall is ordinary then he simply goes through it
no problems, hes not caught simply moved.
If said wall is FAB though i would say things happen as if the
'physical' mage got netted, ie it wraps round him as FASA say in the
book, then astral mage trying to lift phsical net, oops chrucj the
floor, no it won't squash him but it will wrap him up as the rules
say it this case.
Ok use these things with astral proofed walls only! or you PC's are
gonna get away with it, but if you do the mage is fragged big time.

This fab bacteria stuff is also good restraint stuff on the physical,
stops the mage going off on astral jaunts while in prison, far
cheaper than wards, spirits or my orialcum methods. Someone suggested
wood, sorry if it goes through a wasmill would not count as living
and more, though FAB prison walls are on, cheap and finally 100%
effective (well till some rigger blows the side off the prison, but
that one was always a posibility / friends do a little extraction)

Mark

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