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Message no. 1
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Creatures.
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:00:07 UT
Heh [new way of looking at hi :)]
I have recently got a copy of creatures, and I was wondering what kind of
programs you could make in 2057 using this kind of utility.
Okay before the american all say simultaneously "what is creatures?" It
is a
british artificial life game....just to demonstarte the capabilties of this
program to my dad I showed a few posts on the list and then went on to
creature taught one of the creatures how to talk, who taught the next
generation and now that I am at 6th gen I have some pretty kewl list members
[note I look over to the other computer and Skye is teaching Fro to pull
carrots out of the ground. and fro is insisting on putting them back in. skye
is then getting pissed of and thwaping fro......need I say more (Bull has
horns the size of his head......)]
Well Any way I taught One guy to do this and everthing they have learnt since
has be from trial and error and from the knowledge of previous gen,
(unfortunatly due to the chinese whispers effect I am know known as titi and
non of them can say that (comes out as dat).
So you could design the smart frame on a deck with Asexual reproductive
facilties with randon E-gene mutation and let about 10 gens run through and
you have some evil progs (no I haven't got to the psychotic killer stage.).

titi

ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I could
acctually cause the crash.....
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:35:11 -0500
At 06:00 PM 1/24/97 UT, Peter Coxon babbled:

>[note I look over to the other computer and Skye is teaching Fro to pull
>carrots out of the ground. and fro is insisting on putting them back in. skye
>is then getting pissed of and thwaping fro......need I say more (Bull has
>horns the size of his head......)]
>
heheheheheh....:):):)

I like it...:):):)

Sounds great...

Although I'm not really sure how well this would work as a Smart Frame
program...

How does the basic program work? Would you give it a level one attack
program (or whatever), and hopefully it could mutate it into a very
effecient Level 10?

What would you want it to do?

Guess I need more info before on how the program works before stating my
opinion (although you know you'll get one...:))

Bull-the-still-LOL-ork-decker
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Less than 1 week till Star Wars!
Message no. 3
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:08:01 +0000
On 24 Jan 97 at 18:00, Peter Coxon wrote:
[snip]
> ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I could
> acctually cause the crash.....
No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the number 95
in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).

Sascha
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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:32:41 +0000
|
|On 24 Jan 97 at 18:00, Peter Coxon wrote:
|[snip]
|> ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I could
|> acctually cause the crash.....
|No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
|years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the number 95
|in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).

I knew there were drawbacks to win95, but having to install it every 95
minutes....

That's just getting silly....

:)

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Message no. 5
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:02:32 -0600
On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Peter Coxon wrote:

> Heh [new way of looking at hi :)]
> I have recently got a copy of creatures, and I was wondering what kind of
> programs you could make in 2057 using this kind of utility.
> Okay before the american all say simultaneously "what is
creatures?" It is a
> british artificial life game....just to demonstarte the capabilties of this
[snip specs]

This sounds really cool. Anyway I could get my hands on a copy?

-Q

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-Albert Einstein

Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 6
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:55:42 UT
>At 06:00 PM 1/24/97 UT, Peter Coxon babbled:
Me? Babble? that would be a first ;-)
>>[note I look over to the other computer and Skye is teaching Fro to pull
>>carrots out of the ground. and fro is insisting on putting them back in.
>>skye
>>is then getting pissed of and thwaping fro......need I say more (Bull has
>>horns the size of his head......)]
>>
>heheheheheh....:):):)
>I like it...:):):)
So do I
>Sounds great...
it is.
Although I'm not really sure how well this would work as a Smart Frame
program...
Well I wasn't sure how to do it when I wrote the post but since I have done
some research, It would be a smart frame type program with an ability to
program and make things by trial and improvment. So you get this program and a
simple situation (eg kill X ic) you give a "blueprint"program and this program
would use the program then reproduce it with different parameters (asexual
reproduction) then try them discard the one that fail and then "breed" the
surviors etc. etc on infinitum.
Another method would be to write a program with an abiltity to "learn" from
it's mistake, and what works. as simple language interface might be useful so
that if you get scragged cos the prog F*ck*d up then you tell it off and not
to do it again and it would take this into account, and would do the same
thing again.
>How does the basic program work? Would you give it a level one attack
>program (or whatever), and hopefully it could mutate it into a very
>effecient Level 10?
Quite possibly but you would need a couple of hundred online hrs. ((does
England in 205* still charge for local phone calls? if so the Uk runner are
gonna be pissed at me. :-)
>What would you want it to do?
Well It realy depend on the decker who uses it, It would probably intergrate
itself with the other programs, maybe build up a personality :-)
>Guess I need more info before on how the program works before stating >my
>opinion (although you know you'll get one...:))
Check out www.cyberlife.co.uk
(bull I was counting on it, and I think this might be your second semi-serious
comment, the end of the world is nigh!! repent. :-) )
>Bull-the-still-LOL-ork-decker
titi or tim ntoo
ps. I realy hate those little buggers they now seem to want to call me thessh.
pps. I still haven't had any succes interbreeding the grendels :-(
Message no. 7
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:08:00 MST
>On 24 Jan 97 at 18:00, Peter Coxon wrote:
>[snip]
>> ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I
>>could
>> acctually cause the crash.....

>No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
>years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the number 95
>in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).
>
> Sascha

I'm still curious to see what happens to DOS-based machines when the date
rolls over in the year 2000.

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com
Message no. 8
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Creatures. -Reply
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:20:54 -0500
>I'm still curious to see what happens to DOS-based machines when the date rolls
>over in the year 2000.
>
>Denzil Kruse d.kruse@****.com

I've heard that PC's don't have much of a problem w/ 2000 (individual pieces of
software excepted) but that 2036 will completely hose anything that uses the
hardware clock.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 9
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:29:41 -0800
On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Peter Coxon wrote:

> >At 06:00 PM 1/24/97 UT, Peter Coxon babbled:

[snip a whole lot of stuff]

> Quite possibly but you would need a couple of hundred online hrs. ((does
> England in 205* still charge for local phone calls? if so the Uk runner are
> gonna be pissed at me. :-)

Since when has _any_ decker worth his salt _ever_ had to pay for phone
calls?

> >What would you want it to do?

> Well It realy depend on the decker who uses it, It would probably intergrate
> itself with the other programs, maybe build up a personality :-)

..and take over your deck...better keep it happy..:)


> titi or tim ntoo
> ps. I realy hate those little buggers they now seem to want to call me thessh.
> pps. I still haven't had any succes interbreeding the grendels :-(
>

~Tim
Message no. 10
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:31:25 -0800
On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Denzil Kruse wrote:

> >On 24 Jan 97 at 18:00, Peter Coxon wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I
> >>could
> >> acctually cause the crash.....
>
> >No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
> >years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the number 95
> >in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).
> >
> > Sascha
>
> I'm still curious to see what happens to DOS-based machines when the date
> rolls over in the year 2000.
>
> Denzil Kruse
> d.kruse@****.com
>

Oh, not a whole lot...just anything that uses the 2-digit year to
calculate ANYTHING will go haywire...

~Tim
Message no. 11
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:07:21 UT
<snip>
>> ps. Just think if I let my computer run until 2029 (was the the crash) I
could
>> acctually cause the crash.....
>No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
>years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the >number 95
>in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).

> Sascha
Hey come on it ain't that bad I have only reinstalled it nealy 20 times since
august, the mailer 6 times, the browser 8, and there is still this "cannot
find cue cards please run setup" message when I start. :)
tim ntoo
Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:57:33 +0000
|>No. You are using a windos OS. That will not run 34 months, let alone
|>years (says someone who just found out why Windows 95 has the number 95
|>in its name - you have to install it at least that often!).
|>
|> Sascha
|
|I'm still curious to see what happens to DOS-based machines when the date
|rolls over in the year 2000.

It's not DOS based machines you should worry about. I think their clocks are
OK up to the 2020s (ish)...

Maybe it wasn't a virus after all, maybe all the clocks reset....

THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE CRASH!!!!

It's the banking system that uses the abbrieviation '97 on cheques and
statements and so on that you should worry about.....
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______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Creatures.
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:11:14 +0000
|Hey come on it ain't that bad I have only reinstalled it nealy 20 times since
|august, the mailer 6 times, the browser 8, and there is still this "cannot
|find cue cards please run setup" message when I start. :)
|tim ntoo

Don't tell me it requires people holding up cardboard messages to remember
it's lines as well.....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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