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Message no. 1
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:23:35 -0400
Okay, I know this is cheesy, but I think it's completely realistic for some
dark heros to appear in the SR universe to help fight against "big
brother". Thus, I would like some advice as to how to create a
Batman/Robin and a Spiderman for SR. It seems that Spiderman could easily
be a Physad, while Batman and Robin could be mundanes.

I think I have seen some ideas for Spiderman somewhere, but I can't recall
where.

Ideas? Flames? Suggestions? Compliments on my ingenuity? ;)

Justin :)
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:26:27 -0400
At 03:23 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Justin Pinnow wrote these timeless words:
>Okay, I know this is cheesy, but I think it's completely realistic for some
>dark heros to appear in the SR universe to help fight against "big
>brother". Thus, I would like some advice as to how to create a
>Batman/Robin and a Spiderman for SR. It seems that Spiderman could easily
>be a Physad, while Batman and Robin could be mundanes.
>
>I think I have seen some ideas for Spiderman somewhere, but I can't recall
>where.
>
>Ideas? Flames? Suggestions? Compliments on my ingenuity? ;)
>
Heh... no flames here...

About 8 months ago the list was kicking around some ideas and one of those
was a Gecko Crawl-like power for Phys-Ads called Adhesion. this was done
by George Greve. i expanded on that Idea to create the Spider-Man
character that you might be referrring to. I made him as a Shamanic Adept
following a modified Spider Totem, Urban Spider. this character, though,
could just as easily be a normal Phys-Ad. The alternate totem was just my
own version of Spider that wasn;t quite so creepy...;]

I also designed Webshooters for the character. he can be found in TSS 1
(Available on Fro's homepage) and on my page (Follow the link below).

Batman and Robin qould probably be even easier to do, as they have no true
super powers to speak of. They are just superb examples of human prowess
with some good Unarmed Combat skills, and lots of Detective/Analytical
skills. Oh yeah, and a lot of Expensive toys.

These characters could make enjoyable PC's or NPC's, especially if the
character playing them happens to be big comic book fans.

You could probably do most charcters quite easily... Wolverine would be
Hieghtened Senses, Regeneration (Ok, that stretches things a bit), Titanium
Bone Lacing, and Spurs.

Bull
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Message no. 3
From: "Steven A. Collins" <scollins@**.UML.EDU>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:57:27 -0400
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Justin Pinnow wrote:

->Okay, I know this is cheesy, but I think it's completely realistic for some
->dark heros to appear in the SR universe to help fight against "big
->brother". Thus, I would like some advice as to how to create a
->Batman/Robin and a Spiderman for SR. It seems that Spiderman could easily
->be a Physad, while Batman and Robin could be mundanes.
->
->I think I have seen some ideas for Spiderman somewhere, but I can't recall
->where.
->
->Ideas? Flames? Suggestions? Compliments on my ingenuity? ;)
->
->Justin :)
->
In my campaign we have spiderman as a regular character. We have also
had at one time or another Wolverine, The Tick, Captian America, Ghost
Rider, and Frank Black (from the tv show Millenium). Spidey is a
physad with the geko crawl power taken from the geko crawl spell in
awakenings, the sixth sense power from awakenings, +1d6 reaction, and
1 or 2 minor powers(>1 magic). His web shooters are adapted from the
stealth grapple line in the SSC, and he has recently switched from the
red & blue suit to the Black one the the rest of the party's request.
of the others only Wolverine seemed to work well partially because
he's the only other one I'm familiar with.
Message no. 4
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:01:24 -0400
> You could probably do most charcters quite easily... Wolverine would be
> Hieghtened Senses, Regeneration (Ok, that stretches things a bit),
Titanium
> Bone Lacing, and Spurs.

For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower from the
CFS sourcebook.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
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Message no. 5
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:14:41 -0500
Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower from the
> CFS sourcebook.
>

His real name was Clive (the character based of Wolverine).
Encephalon, Titanium Bone Lacing, Dikot Custom Spurs, Symbiots,
Sythacardium, Orthoskin, Suprathyroid Gland, Cerebreal Booster(to
compensate for Orthoskin and to boost Combat pool and reaction), Pain
Editor, Reflex Recorders,Synaptic Accelerator, Enhanced Articulation,
Muscle Augmentation.
Edges and Flaws-Extrodinary Body, Toughness, Quick Healer, Lightning
Reflexes...
Message no. 6
From: Nathan Ray <Gabrie6967@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:03:21 -0400
In a message dated 7/31/97 11:15:35 AM, you wrote:

>Wolverine would be
>Hieghtened Senses, Regeneration (Ok, that stretches things a bit), Titanium
>Bone Lacing, and Spurs.

I've played a wolverine-like charectar for a while, tag him with olfactory
boost, wired reflexes, symbiotes and other wound-handleing bio-ware, bone
lacing, spurs, and a adrenaline gland and pain editor for a good ole
adimantium rage (kick in the editor AFTER the rage starts)

Gabriel, The Angel of Death
"When in danger or in doubt run in circles scream and shout"- Robert Heinlien
Message no. 7
From: "Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:23:49 -0400
On 97-07-31, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

<<For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower from the
CFS sourcebook.>>

My question: What is the CFS Sourcebook?

I'm afraid many of you are going to think me stupid while I figure out these
abbreviations. Sorry.

Also, where is there information on these Immortal Elves?

T'anks and Adieu,
Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
{{e-mail at: wakabout@***.com}}
Message no. 8
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:28:45 -0400
At 04:23 PM 8/5/97 -0400, Joshua M. Kanapkey wrote these timeless words:
>On 97-07-31, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>
><<For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower from the
>CFS sourcebook.>>
>
>My question: What is the CFS Sourcebook?
>
California Free State

>I'm afraid many of you are going to think me stupid while I figure out these
>abbreviations. Sorry.
>
No probs...

>Also, where is there information on these Immortal Elves?
>
Mostly in some of the fiction...

Check out Harlequin, Haley's Back, (Both Modules), Tir Na'NOg and Tir
Tairngir (The Elven Nation Sourcebooks), several pieces of short fiction by
Tom Dowd available on the net in various places, includ\ing paolo's
Shadowrun Archive, and House of the Rising Sun, an SR novel...

>T'anks and Adieu,
>Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
>{{e-mail at: wakabout@***.com}}
>
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Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:42:40 +0100
|
|On 97-07-31, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
|
|<<For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower from the
|CFS sourcebook.>>
|
|My question: What is the CFS Sourcebook?

California Free State....

|I'm afraid many of you are going to think me stupid while I figure out these
|abbreviations. Sorry.
|
|Also, where is there information on these Immortal Elves?

Harlequin, Harlequin's Back, + others....

|T'anks and Adieu,

S'hokey....

|Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.

Ouch... That one of just about on the Thwap threshold....
:)
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Message no. 10
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:03:26 -0700
---"Joshua M. Kanapkey" wrote:
>
> On 97-07-31, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>
> <<For the regeneration, just dose him up with the Immortality Flower
from the
> CFS sourcebook.>>
>
> My question: What is the CFS Sourcebook?

California Free State sourcebook

===
@>--,--'--- Loki

Poisoned Elves: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr/

"You're being held up by a stim patch, Loki's almost a pile of ashes
thanks to that fire elemental, and we've got the Baron running around
screaming assassins...assassins...oh eek, assassins!"
--> Caric to Ook during the Harlequin Campaign

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Message no. 11
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:30:21 -0700
---"Joshua M. Kanapkey" wrote:
>
> Also, where is there information on these Immortal Elves?

Meant to hit this in my other response and forgot, sorry.

Following Bull's idea that the IE are no longer a secret, I won't
place any spoiler space here.

Main sources of IE info:
- Harlequin
- Harlequin's Back
- Never Trust an Elf (S/R Novel)
- House of the Sun (S/R Novel)
- World's Without End (S/R novel)

There's also some hints and touches on the IE in:
- Tir Tairngire
- Tir Na n'Og
- Aztlan (the Shadowtalk between the Big D and the IE)

Also, check out these short stories by Tom Dowd (can be found on my
page or elsewhere on the Net):
- Wyrm Talk
- Voices from the Past
- Post Mortum

There may be some info on the IE in Earthdawn sources as well, but I
couldn't tell you where.

===
@>--,--'--- Loki

Poisoned Elves: www.primenet.com/~gamemstr/

"You're being held up by a stim patch, Loki's almost a pile of ashes
thanks to that fire elemental, and we've got the Baron running around
screaming assassins...assassins...oh eek, assassins!"
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Message no. 12
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:47:37 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-05 19:49:22 EDT, you write:

> |Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
>
> Ouch... That one of just about on the Thwap threshold....

Heh. I've been steadfastly ignoring it. I could accept Dwarven Street Sam,
but Decker? I dunno....

Wolfstar, who's first AD&D character was Raistlin Majere(I was 12, forgive
me)....
Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:43:04 +0100
Joshua M. Kanapkey said on 16:23/ 5 Aug 97...

> My question: What is the CFS Sourcebook?

California Free State sourcebook, FASA #7209.

> I'm afraid many of you are going to think me stupid while I figure out these
> abbreviations. Sorry.

Hope these help:

BBB Big Black Book (Shadowrun Second Edition main rules)
CAS Confederated American States
CSH Corporate Security Handbook
CT Cybertechnology
DidS Deutschland in den Schatten (German version of Germany Sourcebook)
FOF Fields of Fire
NAGNA Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North America
NAGRL Neo-Anarchist's Guide to Real Life
NAN1 Native American Nations volume 1
NAN2 Native American Nations volume 2
PANA Paranormal Animals of North America (also PAoNA)
PAE Paranormal Animals of Europe (also PAoE)
RBB Rigger Black Book
SSC Street Samurai Catalog
ST Super Tuesday (sometimes used for Shadowtech, depends on context)
UCAS United Canadian and American States
VR Virtual Realities (also VR 1.0)
VR 2.0 Virtual Realities 2.0

> Also, where is there information on these Immortal Elves?

Harlequin, Harlequin's Back, Tir Tairngire, and possibly Tir na nOg (which
I don't own).

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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:38:09 +0100
|There may be some info on the IE in Earthdawn sources as well, but I
|couldn't tell you where.

There is info on the main elven players in Earthdawn, but I don't think even
THEY know about their immortality at that point in the timeline.

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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:59:23 +0100
|
|In a message dated 97-08-05 19:49:22 EDT, you write:
|
|> |Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
|>
|> Ouch... That one of just about on the Thwap threshold....
|
| Heh. I've been steadfastly ignoring it. I could accept Dwarven Street Sam,
|but Decker? I dunno....

It's not the decker part... It's the name....
I always preferred Oin to Gloin anyway...
:)

| Wolfstar, who's first AD&D character was Raistlin Majere(I was 12, forgive
|me)....

Anything's forgivable at that age....
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 16
From: "Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:08:33 -0400
For Everyone's knowledge:

Gimli Gloinson is the running name. He also has a Tolkien reality filter on
his deck, and a frame named Legolas.
Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:17:35 +0100
|
|For Everyone's knowledge:
|
|Gimli Gloinson is the running name. He also has a Tolkien reality filter on
|his deck, and a frame named Legolas.

<Groan>
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 18
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:52:36 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-06 09:00:33 EDT, you write:

> |> |Gimli Gloinson, Dwarven Decker.
> |>
> |> Ouch... That one of just about on the Thwap threshold....
> |
> | Heh. I've been steadfastly ignoring it. I could accept Dwarven Street
Sam,
> |but Decker? I dunno....
>
> It's not the decker part... It's the name....
> I always preferred Oin to Gloin anyway...
> :)

Heh, the name's why I'd object to decker. Can you imagine Gimli as a decker?
I can't... =)

> | Wolfstar, who's first AD&D character was Raistlin Majere(I was 12,
forgive me)....
>
> Anything's forgivable at that age....

Well, almost anything. The character's still alive, gone through 3
different names, and is currently a nobleman - and I never play him anymore.
Write stories though. But it's impressive that a plain-vanilla mage in AD&D
survived from first to ninth level. Maybe I'll convert him to Shadowrun.....
=)

Wolfstar
Message no. 19
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:03:49 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-06 10:09:32 EDT, you write:

> For Everyone's knowledge:
>
> Gimli Gloinson is the running name. He also has a Tolkien reality filter
on
> his deck, and a frame named Legolas.

Okay, NOW I can accept that a little easier. Cute idea, running Legolas as a
frame.

Wolfstar
Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:23:27 +0100
Spike said on 13:38/ 6 Aug 97...

> There is info on the main elven players in Earthdawn, but I don't think even
> THEY know about their immortality at that point in the timeline.

With the exception of the elven queen, I think -- IIRC it's mentioned
somewhere (Denizens 1?) that she lives MUCH longer than normal elves do.

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Message no. 21
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:21:59 EDT
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:08:33 -0400 "Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
writes:
>For Everyone's knowledge:
>
>Gimli Gloinson is the running name. He also has a Tolkien reality filter
on
>his deck, and a frame named Legolas.

We can probably guess what Black IC looks like too.. eh?

I'd think that a "Bored of the Rings" reality filter would be MUCH more
fun though..
:)

~Tim (who is unable to avoid smiling when thinking back on such a fine
parody of a book)
Message no. 22
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:44:14 +0100
|I'd think that a "Bored of the Rings" reality filter would be MUCH more
|fun though..
|:)
|
|~Tim (who is unable to avoid smiling when thinking back on such a fine
|parody of a book)


Read it.
It was OK to start off with, but got VERY repetitive, VERY quickly....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 23
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Crossover ideas
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:17:54 +0000
Hmmm...

> |For Everyone's knowledge:
> |
> |Gimli Gloinson is the running name. He also has a Tolkien reality filter on
> |his deck, and a frame named Legolas.

Well, I had a decker named Morgoth... He had an attack program called
Balrog and a frame called Sauron...

Much better, IM(ns)HO.

<grin, duck & run>


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