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Message no. 1
From: Stefan Hahn <HAHN@***.EDU>
Subject: CRUSH!
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 14:44:48 -0800
Speaking of walking through walls, our current abusive speedfreak, Lightning,
("say, exactly how fast can you make a human being?") regularly asks, "Ed,
what's the wall made of?" and if the answer is less than "Three Feet of bank-
vault grade adamantite steel." will generally ignore doorways. It's a great
surprise tactic:
"He peeks around the edge of the doorway and snipes at you. You can only see
the top of his head and the barrel of his gun; that's almost complete cover."

"If I can see his head, where do I think his neck is?"

"uhh, about right behind the lightswitch to the left of the door."

"okay, I leap across the room, put my hand through the wall, and remove his
windpipe."

This is the same guy that, upon hitting an unsuspecting guard with a wallacher
combat axe, split his skull, drove it down through his spine, and lodged in his
pelvis.
FATALITY
FLAWLESS VICTORY

No, seriously, the strength of walls in the average corporate office,
especially in high-sec areas, is laughable. Any suggestions?
("unfortunately, you just punched through the wall that concealed the emergency
generators...")

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Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: CRUSH!
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 19:13:04 -0500
>>>>> "H" == HAHN <HAHN@***.EDU> writes:

H> No, seriously, the strength of walls in the average corporate office,
H> especially in high-sec areas, is laughable. Any suggestions?
H> ("unfortunately, you just punched through the wall that concealed the
H> emergency generators...")

I think that's the perfect solution. There's /lots/ of stuff in walls,
especially electrical type stuff.

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Message no. 3
From: Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: CRUSH!
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:22:35 EST
On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Stefan Hahn wrote:

>
> No, seriously, the strength of walls in the average corporate office,
> especially in high-sec areas, is laughable. Any suggestions?

Well, I don't know about walls in SRII or "high-sec" walls in general,
but I can tell you that I am in a 100+ year-old post office, and that any
walls that aren't original (most of the interior ones that are chopping
big rooms into little ones) are made of metal supports sandwiched between
two sheets of 3/4" sheetrock - which isn't that hard to punch through
(as long as you don't hit the metal, that is :). As for the original
walls, I don't know what they're made of, but I don't think you're gonna
get through 'em without a sledgehammer and about 10 minutes hard work.


Joe Cotton
Joseph.Cotton@*******.oit.unc.edu
Message no. 4
From: Michael Garoni <Michael_Garoni@****.INTERSOLV.COM>
Subject: Re: CRUSH!
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 18:00:00 LCL
Stefan Hahn:
}"okay, I leap across the room, put my hand through the wall, and remove his
}windpipe."

Obi Wan:
Don't forget that security personel learn from mistakes. If one team is
regularly violating people though walls, some security companies will notice
that this is a hole *grin* in their security. Just run some monofilament down
the wall cavities. That'll stop him sticking his hand through. This is a trick
I thought of after taking a character through DNA/DOA. Fasten it to a pressure
sensor to light up alarms all over the place if violated. Simple, cheap and
messy.
Message no. 5
From: Egil Geir Brautaset <egilbra@***.UNIT.NO>
Subject: Re: CRUSH!
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:19:46 +0100
On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Joseph Cotton wrote:

> Well, I don't know about walls in SRII or "high-sec" walls in general,
> but I can tell you that I am in a 100+ year-old post office, and that any
> walls that aren't original (most of the interior ones that are chopping
> big rooms into little ones) are made of metal supports sandwiched between
> two sheets of 3/4" sheetrock - which isn't that hard to punch through
> (as long as you don't hit the metal, that is :). As for the original
> walls, I don't know what they're made of, but I don't think you're gonna
> get through 'em without a sledgehammer and about 10 minutes hard work.
>

This is probably because the house in question is more than
a hundred years old, and therefore probably built without
the aid of computer simulated stress/load/breakage simulations.

If I understand correctly there are two types of walls in most
houses, structural and ordinary. Structural walls are made of
reinforced concrete or somesuch, depending on the house, while
ordinary walls are made of light materials (it is cheaper and
it decreases the load on the floors etc.) Also note that in many cases
the two types of walls look alike from the corridors, at least.

In corporate facilities structural walls would be a good place to
have security checkpoints. That is, every time you want to pass
through one you have to pass a checkpoint in the security door
through it.

Taking out large parts of structural walls would probably bring
down the building. Remember the Demolitions skill? Popular for
placing bombs? This is what it is all about, and placing
bombs is only part of it.

Egil
Message no. 6
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: CRUSH!
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 14:34:25 -0700
>Well, I don't know about walls in SRII or "high-sec" walls in general,
>but I can tell you that I am in a 100+ year-old post office, and that any
>walls that aren't original (most of the interior ones that are chopping
>big rooms into little ones) are made of metal supports sandwiched between
>two sheets of 3/4" sheetrock - which isn't that hard to punch through
>(as long as you don't hit the metal, that is :). As for the original
>walls, I don't know what they're made of, but I don't think you're gonna
>get through 'em without a sledgehammer and about 10 minutes hard work.


The best story I know about walls has to do with an old Endicott Johnson shoe
factory plant in Endicott NY (EJ's was the company that gave IBM the money to
truely get off the ground, and it also gave them their ethics for treating
employies really nicely.)

Anyway, the old biulding had to torn down to make way for a new suppermarket
(there were MANY teary eyes from people who used to work there - EJ's was a good
employer). The problem was they couldn't use explosives because the next lot
over was owned by IBM and they had a couple of big chemical tanks - it there was
a big explosion the tanks might break. So instead they decided to do it the big
machine way - after all the biulding was over 50 years old and EVERYBODY knows
that they just didn't biuld good biulding back then RIGHT? Boy were they wrong,
sure the insides of the 4 story biulding were movable walls, but the outside
ones were about two feet thick brick.

first of all the decided just to ram the wall with a bulldozer - that should
knock a big chunk out - they were wrong. All it did was knock so teeth of the
bulldozer and break the shovel.

Next they brought in the the wrecking ball to just smash it the walls. The ball
went forward and hit the wall with SMACK!!! then the ball proceeded to BOUNCE
off the wall and back at the cabin of the wrecker. The opperator jumped out of
it and the ball missed the cabin by about a yard.

What they finally had to do was to just take the biulding apart level by level,
it cost them a lot more to do this, but it was the only way.


The moral of the story is that some walls will be MUCH stronger than you will
expect.


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