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Message no. 1
From: Eric e-lemme@***.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:38:28 -0500
Hi all, just check some spools of monofiliment I have kicking around
and a 100 yards of 80lb test ((1/32-1/16)1-2 mm in diameter) fits on a
(3 inch) 7.5cm diameter spool (2 inches) 5cm thick.

a 20lb spool equivalent size is listed at holding 275 yards though it is
considerably thinner line.
Message no. 2
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:18:53 -0500
:Hi all, just check some spools of monofiliment I have kicking around
:and a 100 yards of 80lb test ((1/32-1/16)1-2 mm in diameter) fits on a
:(3 inch) 7.5cm diameter spool (2 inches) 5cm thick.
:
:a 20lb spool equivalent size is listed at holding 275 yards though it is
:considerably thinner line.


Climbing line and Fishing line are NOT the same thing. Climbing lines
are generally much thicker in cross section for a given test. The thicker
ones do tend to be ones engineered with a lot of "stretch" and
"bounce"; you
want these holding you if you fall, so that the stop when you reach the end
of the line isn't so sudden it hurts you. Simple "ascent" lines are
thinner, but still must be thick enough to handle easily and resist snagging
and abrasion.

Mongoose
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:21:52 +0200
According to Eric, at 13:38 on 29 Sep 99, the word on
the street was...

> Hi all, just check some spools of monofiliment I have kicking around
> and a 100 yards of 80lb test ((1/32-1/16)1-2 mm in diameter) fits on a
> (3 inch) 7.5cm diameter spool (2 inches) 5cm thick.

Unfortunately, it won't support your weight unless you're (at a guess) 10
years old :) I also foresee problems climbing a building using fishing
wire...

--
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Message no. 4
From: Eric Lemme e-lemme@***.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:54:58 -0500
I used it as an example of line size. Anyone with a couple of decent
cyberarms has a A resources and would be able to commit consider
resources to something a mundane as a high tech high strength rope.
Monofiliment exists at leats for whips so it seems reasonable that a
line comparable to today's fishing line would be available for those
with the resources. I wonder what you could get today if you were
willing to spend 10000-20000 dollars on 100m of the best line you could
find.

Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Eric, at 13:38 on 29 Sep 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > Hi all, just check some spools of monofiliment I have kicking around
> > and a 100 yards of 80lb test ((1/32-1/16)1-2 mm in diameter) fits on a
> > (3 inch) 7.5cm diameter spool (2 inches) 5cm thick.
>
> Unfortunately, it won't support your weight unless you're (at a guess) 10
> years old :) I also foresee problems climbing a building using fishing
> wire...
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
> Het is een boek om in het donker te lezen.
> -> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
> ->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
> -> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-
>
> GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
> PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
> Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 5
From: Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:24:03 +0200
Eric Lemme wrote:
>
> I used it as an example of line size. Anyone with a couple of decent
> cyberarms has a A resources and would be able to commit consider
> resources to something a mundane as a high tech high strength rope.
> Monofiliment exists at leats for whips so it seems reasonable that a
> line comparable to today's fishing line would be available for those
> with the resources. I wonder what you could get today if you were
> willing to spend 10000-20000 dollars on 100m of the best line you could
> find.
>

The main reason the line needs to be thick is so that you can grip it.

Assuming, of course, that you are actually gripping it, and not simply
winching yourself up, batman style.

--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

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Message no. 6
From: Martin Steffens (Berlitz) v-marts@*********.com
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:04:13 -0700
From: Allen Versfeld [mailto:moe@*******.com]

> The main reason the line needs to be thick is so that you
> can grip it. Assuming, of course, that you are actually
> gripping it, and not simply winching yourself up, batman
> style.

Wouldn't it be possible to use special grips that hook on
the thin line and prevent you from slicing your fingers off?
Just trying to find a way to make it work.


Martin Steffens
e-mail: v-marts@*********.com
phone: 70 666 44
Message no. 7
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:05:46 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Lemme <e-lemme@***.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 30 September 1999 02:56
Subject: Re: cyberarm grapple gun line


>I used it as an example of line size. Anyone with a couple of decent
>cyberarms has a A resources and would be able to commit consider
>resources to something a mundane as a high tech high strength rope.
>Monofiliment exists at leats for whips so it seems reasonable that a
>line comparable to today's fishing line would be available for those
>with the resources. I wonder what you could get today if you were
>willing to spend 10000-20000 dollars on 100m of the best line you
could
>find.

Problem is that such a line would have phenomenal strength along its
length, but would be pretty vulnerable to breakage if it snagged and
pressure was applied across the length. This happens often in rock
climbing and is one of the reasons climbing ropes have so many
strands. The 50m rope I climb with weighs about 10 kgs and other
stregths and weights are avaliable. I geuss by the 2060s better techa
nd materials will be available, but I dont see anyone breaking the 1kg
to 10m barrier for a while. All this basically means that I dont see a
viable rope and grapple system being installed in a cyberarm.

- + - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za> -

Dis die blond dis die blou
Dis die veld dis die lug
En n bomwerper draai bo
In eensame vlug
Dis al.
Message no. 8
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:25 EDT
In a message dated 9/30/99 08:12:14 Pacific Daylight Time,
v-marts@*********.com writes:

> > The main reason the line needs to be thick is so that you
> > can grip it. Assuming, of course, that you are actually
> > gripping it, and not simply winching yourself up, batman
> > style.
>
> Wouldn't it be possible to use special grips that hook on
> the thin line and prevent you from slicing your fingers off?
> Just trying to find a way to make it work.

I would agree with Martin on this... I see no reason why it couldnt be a
very thin line that requires grappeling gear. In fact, my fav non weapon
piece of gear is the Grapple gun on page 42 of SSC. (and I hope it doesnt go
away when CC comes out!) Also, on the facing page, it shows the grapple line
by itself, and lookng at the line pack next to the gunI would see no reason
why a grapple gun couldnt be built into a cyberarm.
Message no. 9
From: Xyron II markus.meisen@****.uni-muenchen.de
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:01:49 +0200
Starrngr@***.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/30/99 08:12:14 Pacific Daylight Time,
> v-marts@*********.com writes:
>
> > > The main reason the line needs to be thick is so that you
> > > can grip it. Assuming, of course, that you are actually
> > > gripping it, and not simply winching yourself up, batman
> > > style.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be possible to use special grips that hook on
> > the thin line and prevent you from slicing your fingers off?
> > Just trying to find a way to make it work.
>

Or gripping it with the metal fingers of your Cyberarm...
(maybe modified fingers as a part of the Cyber-Grapple-Gun-Package)

So, IMHO it wouldn't be too far off to allow this sort of grapple
gun in a cyberarm with some limitations:
-maximum 50m of grapple line (is this too much? too few?)
-only a few (2-3) CO2 charges to actually propel the "Hook" to its
destination

Seeya,

/> Xyron II
/< (not the first, for whatever reason)
O[\\\\\\(O):::<==========================================-
\< "You always find something the last
\> place you look."
Message no. 10
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:21:31 -0700
At 11:01 PM 9/30/99 +0200, you wrote:


>Starrngr@***.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 9/30/99 08:12:14 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > v-marts@*********.com writes:
> >
> > > > The main reason the line needs to be thick is so that you
> > > > can grip it. Assuming, of course, that you are actually
> > > > gripping it, and not simply winching yourself up, batman
> > > > style.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be possible to use special grips that hook on
> > > the thin line and prevent you from slicing your fingers off?
> > > Just trying to find a way to make it work.
> >

Here's a thought, i haven;t worked out the possibility of this full yet..so
bear that in mind.

What about a hand that "launches" and acts as the grapple? You'd need
some sort of extra anchoring where the flesh meets the limb so you can pull
youself up without loosing an arm. Would a winch mechanism be
feasible? Modifying the hand to extend hooks would be relatively easy, so
would some sort of compressed air system to launch it.

Of course the saftey (think can under pressure being ruptured) would be an
issue, but what would it take to allow if to happen?


--Lomion
Message no. 11
From: Jeremy Baker meroeandjeremy@*******.com.au
Subject: cyberarm grapple gun line
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:01:24 +1000
>I would agree with Martin on this... I see no reason why it couldnt be a
>very thin line that requires grappeling gear. In fact, my fav non weapon
>piece of gear is the Grapple gun on page 42 of SSC. (and I hope it doesnt
go
>away when CC comes out!) Also, on the facing page, it shows the grapple
line
>by itself, and lookng at the line pack next to the gunI would see no
reason
>why a grapple gun couldnt be built into a cyberarm.


Well it seems unlikely that CC would take it out, since it is listed
in the Gear section, on p295, of the SR3 handbook.
JB.

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