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Message no. 1
From: Aristotle aristotle@********.net
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:11:00 -0400
I was wondering what the limitations are to having something built into
a cyberlimb. I know that it says other pieces of cyberware can easily
be fitted, as well as minot electronic devices at the GM's discretion.
I was just brainstorming a rigger and thought how neat it might be to
have a back-up deck in his arm. I know that there were rules for
headware decks, but I am sticking to 3rd Edition stuff, and wont see
the headware decks again until "Man & Machine" hits the shelf, if then.
The idea was to have a control deck, but to have a smaller back-up in
the limb that could be used to control 2 Drones.

*If* it can be mounted in an arm/leg then I have another question.
"Direct Neural Interface" allows one to control a built-in device as if
it were really cyber. Would this just allow you to use it as if it were
connected to your datajack, or would their be any other considerations?

As always I welcome any response.
-- Aristotle (ICQ# : 5006172)
"This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud." -- The Mentor, Hacker's Manifesto
Message no. 2
From: Bai Shen baishen@**********.com
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:05:09 -0400
> I was wondering what the limitations are to having something built into
> a cyberlimb. I know that it says other pieces of cyberware can easily
> be fitted, as well as minot electronic devices at the GM's discretion.
> I was just brainstorming a rigger and thought how neat it might be to
> have a back-up deck in his arm. I know that there were rules for
> headware decks, but I am sticking to 3rd Edition stuff, and wont see
> the headware decks again until "Man & Machine" hits the shelf, if then.
> The idea was to have a control deck, but to have a smaller back-up in
> the limb that could be used to control 2 Drones.
>
> *If* it can be mounted in an arm/leg then I have another question.
> "Direct Neural Interface" allows one to control a built-in device as if
> it were really cyber. Would this just allow you to use it as if it were
> connected to your datajack, or would their be any other considerations?

-chuckle- I asked this earlier but didn't really get a satisfactory response. If
ya get a decent answer, lemme know. :)

Bai Shen
Message no. 3
From: B. Blackbrain BillT@*********.com
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:12:53 -0700
On 5/18/99 Aristotle wrote:

> I was wondering what the limitations are to having something built into
> a cyberlimb. I know that it says other pieces of cyberware can easily
> be fitted, as well as minot electronic devices at the GM's discretion.
> I was just brainstorming a rigger and thought how neat it might be to
> have a back-up deck in his arm. I know that there were rules for
> headware decks, but I am sticking to 3rd Edition stuff, and wont see
> the headware decks again until "Man & Machine" hits the shelf, if then.
> The idea was to have a control deck, but to have a smaller back-up in
> the limb that could be used to control 2 Drones.
>
> *If* it can be mounted in an arm/leg then I have another question.
> "Direct Neural Interface" allows one to control a built-in device as if
> it were really cyber. Would this just allow you to use it as if it were
> connected to your datajack, or would their be any other considerations?

I would say that it would be possible to build a standard control deck
into a cyberlimb, but at 4 times the cost. I know that the cost increase
was stated in "Cybertechnology" but I do not recall it mentioned in SR3.
I would also allow the Direct Nural Interface to allow the built-in deck
to be used without an external datajack connection.

This would also mean that if you get trapped in a feedback loop, your
buddies would not be able to disconnect you from the deck :)>

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Message no. 4
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:38:22 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to B. Blackbrain."
] I would say that it would be possible to build a standard control deck
] into a cyberlimb, but at 4 times the cost. I know that the cost increase
] was stated in "Cybertechnology" but I do not recall it mentioned in SR3.
] I would also allow the Direct Nural Interface to allow the built-in deck
] to be used without an external datajack connection.

It's in SR3, p. 303.

] This would also mean that if you get trapped in a feedback loop, your
] buddies would not be able to disconnect you from the deck :)>

An interesting predicament. Kinda makes it worth thinking about, eh?

-Murder of One
Message no. 5
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > I was just brainstorming a rigger and thought how neat it might be
to have a back-up deck in his arm. I know that there were rules for
headware decks, but I am sticking to 3rd Edition stuff, and wont see
the headware decks again until "Man & Machine" hits the shelf, if then.
The idea was to have a control deck, but to have a smaller back-up in>
the limb that could be used to control 2 Drones.

> I would say that it would be possible to build a standard control
deck into a cyberlimb, but at 4 times the cost.

(Sorry, not sure who wrote the different parts of the above.)

Okay, what we want to do is build a rigger's remote control deck into a
cyberlimb, correct?

Then don't worry about increasing the cost as suggested, forget DNI for
now and don't wait for M&M to come out.

What you want to do is in Rigger 2. Now, the fact is that, although
Rigger 2 was published before SR3, it is considered an SR3 book, so if
you want to play a rigger, you really should get it.

Rigger 2 has rules for head AND cyberlimb-mounted control decks.

So look it up. There's a canon way to do it and you can do it now!

*Doc' claps his hands and bounces around rejoicing!*
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 6
From: Joachim Sauer saua@***.net
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:24:49 +0000
Scott Wheelock wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> ] This would also mean that if you get trapped in a feedback loop, your
> ] buddies would not be able to disconnect you from the deck :)>
>
> An interesting predicament. Kinda makes it worth thinking about, eh?

I just got thinking of a decker with a cyber-arm with a big red button
attached to it labeld "punch in case of feedback-loop".


>
> -Murder of One

Akira

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Message no. 7
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: Cyberlimbs & Built in Devices
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:34:46 CST
>Scott Wheelock wrote:
>I just got thinking of a decker with a cyber-arm with a big red button
>attached to it labeld "punch in case of feedback-loop".
>
>

That is a very bizarre picture!

>
>Akira
>
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