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Message no. 1
From: "Mr. E" <enygma@********.com>
Subject: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.

Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
it remotely?

Just a few wild thoughts comming out of my munchkin mind. Later.
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Message no. 2
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
At 15:44 5/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.
>
>Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
>anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
>it remotely?
>
>Just a few wild thoughts comming out of my munchkin mind. Later.
>
>enygma

Wait, let me get this right. A cybermantic animal with a rigger control
implant so it can be controlled be a rigger. Say from the control center
mentioned in Corp. Sec. Han.? I think my head hurts. I also think its a
beautiful idea. Only probelm is that it's an expensive tactic.

My head really did hurt once I read this.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 3
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
At 03:44 PM 5/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.
>

I'm not sure how Cybermancy would work on animal but I know that animals
that have cyberware installed usually go crazy and are nearly impossible to
control.... I think.


>Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
>anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
>it remotely?

This I'm not to sure about. But a very interesting idea indeed. I suppose
if the animal is crazy then it really doesn't matter if you are controlling
it... BUT, if that puppy ever gets loose for some reason you better be
careful. Not only that but I think that all the animal loving shadowrunners
in the world will be very upset.

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Message no. 4
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:21:00 GMT + 2:00
@ Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
@ eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
@ Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.
@
@ Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
@ anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
@ it remotely?
@
@ Just a few wild thoughts comming out of my munchkin mind. Later.

I would assume that they would start on animals and then work
their way onto humans. Much cheaper that way, admittedly they could
use criminals etc. Say now theres a nasty plot line for some GM. But
back to the conversation, after all with animals you don't have to
pay life surities etc to the family of the personel who died during
testing. It is easier to get rid of a hundred animals failiours then
it is to hide the evidence of a hundred humans failours, ie chances
are it don't work first time.









Andre'

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Message no. 5
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:18:36 +0200
At 0:44 Uhr 3.05.96, Mr. E wrote:
>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.

Hm, when I remember that animals/Critters don't react too well to _normal_
levels of cyberware, I wouldn't want to be the trainer for these beasts...
On the other hand Cybermancy needs an IMS, and what kind of memories would
a dog or Gargoyle or - waaaah - Juggernaut have?

>Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
>anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
>it remotely?
Well, _that_'s an idea... *scribble* *take notes* *change current
adventure*

Sascha

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Message no. 6
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
At 11:18 5/3/96 +0200, you wrote:
>At 0:44 Uhr 3.05.96, Mr. E wrote:
>>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.
>
>Hm, when I remember that animals/Critters don't react too well to _normal_
>levels of cyberware, I wouldn't want to be the trainer for these beasts...

I've always played it as this. Critter with no intelligent mind (ie no
charisma rating) are adversly affected by cyber. Those that do have an
intelect don't. So the cyber-vamp I asked about earlier would not go crazy
nor would a devil rat (char. 5 {didn't know that did ya?}) My reasoning is
simple. Everything is a critter (metahuman's too). Now if meta's don't go
crazy why should something else go crazy when the only difference is that
they are labeled critter and not PC races? So watch out for those cybered
mesitersingers next time you go on a nice midnight cruise. :)

>On the other hand Cybermancy needs an IMS, and what kind of memories would
>a dog or Gargoyle or - waaaah - Juggernaut have?

Just because a human needs the IMS doesn't mean the animal does. The use of
an IMS would be the wrong way to go anyway. What you'd want is a
controllable cyger robot. (esp. if the doggie can get rigged) What they'd
actually need is something that keeps the animals sprit in the body but not
the animal's mind. The IMS keeps the mind in the body also.

>
>>Also, would this allow for more essence using cyberware to control the
>>anilams better? Maybe even actually rigging into an animal and controling
>>it remotely?
>Well, _that_'s an idea... *scribble* *take notes* *change current
>adventure*
>
> Sascha
>

Sasquatch

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Message no. 7
From: Justin Thomas <Justin.C.Thomas-1@**.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 14:02:40 -0500
At 11:33 AM 5/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:18 5/3/96 +0200, you wrote:
>>At 0:44 Uhr 3.05.96, Mr. E wrote:
>>>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>>>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>>>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.

Hmmm a remote controlled animal? Well how about implanting active wires and
a brain override switch (to deactive all of the animals will) then just
controlling it through a rigger control box hooked into the skill wires jack
(where the chips usually go) I can see this as being possible and maybe
even possible in humans, but the problem is that over time the "puppets"
will to live will be switched off with the brain and it will become a
vegatable and the brain would probably die after a short time (in other
words not cost effective)
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Message no. 8
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
At 11:02 5/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> At 11:18 5/3/96 +0200, you wrote:
>> >At 0:44 Uhr 3.05.96, Mr. E wrote:
>> >>Just curious but, how long do you think it will be before some
>> >>eager-beaver modifies the cybarmancy technique to work on animals?
>> >>Can you say "Bad Doggie"? I knew you could.
>
>Hmmm ... Some where .... uh ... there's a female rigger who makes a
>comment about the damage done to the "dog's", not dog, but dog's brain
>inside her favorite RPV when it gets toasted by a mage. Based on that
>I'd say the rigged up guard puppy is a definite reality in the corp
>world.
>

A dog brain in an RPV is a simple computer intelligence. The dog brain
allows the RPV to work like a drone. It is not a actual dog brain. It's just
called a dog brain cause that's about the level of inteligance it has.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 9
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:53:07 -0700
Hairy Smurf wrote:
> A dog brain in an RPV is a simple computer intelligence. The dog brain
> allows the RPV to work like a drone. It is not a actual dog brain. It's
> just called a dog brain cause that's about the level of inteligance it
> has.

I realize what a dog brain is. That's why the comment in the story about
it being a dog's brain and not dog brain has stuck in my mental trash
compactor. The story is "Starlight's End" it's in the Feb '95 issue of
Awakenings (It was a short lived Millenium's End Fanzine, the last issue
I got was Mar '95).

"Starlight's End" is a SR short story. Mary Beth ( the rigger) describes
to her teammates how she had to fight the RPV's urge to run & to keep it
from shooting up the neighborhood, because the cat shaman on the
oposition's side nailed it with a halucination producing a belief in the
dog's mind that it was being hunted by a pride of lions.
Message no. 10
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
At 18:53 5/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Hairy Smurf wrote:
>> A dog brain in an RPV is a simple computer intelligence. The dog brain
>> allows the RPV to work like a drone. It is not a actual dog brain. It's
>> just called a dog brain cause that's about the level of inteligance it
>> has.
>
>I realize what a dog brain is. That's why the comment in the story about
>it being a dog's brain and not dog brain has stuck in my mental trash
>compactor. The story is "Starlight's End" it's in the Feb '95 issue of
>Awakenings (It was a short lived Millenium's End Fanzine, the last issue
>I got was Mar '95).
>
>"Starlight's End" is a SR short story. Mary Beth ( the rigger) describes
>to her teammates how she had to fight the RPV's urge to run & to keep it
>from shooting up the neighborhood, because the cat shaman on the
>oposition's side nailed it with a halucination producing a belief in the
>dog's mind that it was being hunted by a pride of lions.
>

Unfortunately it's a story by someone other then Fasa. Even Fasa's story's
are taken with a grain of salt. All the story shows is that someone else
thought of the idea first. I'm not knocking your reading this, and I think
it would be possible to turn animals into rigged vehicles. The question I
have is how, how much, and what rules.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 11
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 09:29:51 +1000 (EST)
On Mon, 6 May 1996, Russ Myrick wrote:


> Hmmm ... Some where .... uh ... there's a female rigger who makes a
> comment about the damage done to the "dog's", not dog, but dog's brain
> inside her favorite RPV when it gets toasted by a mage. Based on that
> I'd say the rigged up guard puppy is a definite reality in the corp
> world.

The 'dog-brain' being referred to is the autopilot of the drone that the
rigger is talking about.

Ray.
Message no. 12
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: Cybermancy and animals
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:05:59 +0200
At 3:53 Uhr 7.05.96, Russ Myrick wrote:
>I realize what a dog brain is. That's why the comment in the story about
>it being a dog's brain and not dog brain has stuck in my mental trash
>compactor. The story is "Starlight's End" it's in the Feb '95 issue of
>Awakenings (It was a short lived Millenium's End Fanzine, [...]
>
>"Starlight's End" is a SR short story. [...]

Again: Books/Novels/{short}Stories are no source material. Not the
books by FASA, even less the ones from other sources.

Sascha

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