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Message no. 1
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:59:21 -0700
Ivy, your problem with CP2020 is not that the combat system sucks, it's that
you the GM allow th players to use to much armor. I have an understanding with
my player that I remind them of often. I WILL HURT YOU. The more armor you
wear, the bigger guns or nastier ammo I will use. Also, if you take lots of
head shots, I will do the same. It works pretty well for me.

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Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:50:44 -0500
On Sun, 5 Jun 1994, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> "Trust No One." *
> The late Deep Throat *
> The X-Files *

You really believe he's dead? Bah. Sure looked like he was wearing a
vest to me.

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Message no. 3
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 21:49:50 -0700
Robert Hadyen said:

>> "Trust No One." *
>> The late Deep Throat *
>> The X-Files *

>You really believe he's dead? Bah. Sure looked like he was wearing a
>vest to me.

Somehow I think that Dr. Dana Scully knows the difference between a man
knocked unconciouse from a hit to his bullet-proof vest and one killed by a
bullet.

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Message no. 4
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 17:24:30 -0700
On Sun, 5 Jun 1994, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> Ivy, your problem with CP2020 is not that the combat system sucks, it's that
> you the GM allow th players to use to much armor. I have an understanding with
> my player that I remind them of often. I WILL HURT YOU. The more armor you
> wear, the bigger guns or nastier ammo I will use. Also, if you take lots of
> head shots, I will do the same. It works pretty well for me.

Well, that certainly is a solution, of a sort.
I just play a game by it's rules, and say what I find. The armor is
there, so why not? It is designed to be concealed, so it isn't going to
draw much attention. If the system can't get through they're own armor,
I think that it's the designer's fault.

So, I went back to a game that doesn't have that weakness.

And I'm writing one that is even tougher. Hard World, watch for it late
this year, from R-n-R Games (I hope, if I can get it printed, which
depends on my hubby finding a better job)

Anyway, hey, I played the game as it was written. If you dig it, fine.
Keep on C-Punking! The fact that I don't like it doesn't mean that I'm
trying to tell you that you shouldn't. Enjoy!
Ivy
Message no. 5
From: Tyger09@***.COM
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:35:03 EDT
>Ivy, your problem with CP2020 is not that the combat system sucks, it's that
>you the GM allow th players to use to much armor. I have an understanding
with
>my player that I remind them of often. I WILL HURT YOU. The more armor you
>wear, the bigger guns or nastier ammo I will use. Also, if you take lots of
>head shots, I will do the same. It works pretty well for me.

Ok, the 'one-upsmanship' in play! No, don't just say "I'll use better ____"
(whatevers). Just use more of them. One punk VS 50 punks will be messy for
the solo guy (same for SHADOWRUN!) I call it 'ant theory'.

Anyhow, a real character dosn't NEED more than a simple armored T-Shirt. If
they're using bigger guns than that your kinda up a certain creek...

-Tyger

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Message no. 6
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:19:26 -0700
Ivy, All games have weaknesses. Shadowrun has some pretty huge ones too.
Still, I will admit that Cyberpunk 2020 is a flawed system. That's why I
spent a lot of time fixing the flaws with House Rules. In fact, my combat
house rules are so extensive that I rewrote the Friday Night Firefighsection
to make it easier to tell what the rules were.

I latest project has been joining forces with my pal, Steve Huth, to make
Shadowrun style Magic Rules for CP2020. Why you ask? Because we got fucking
tired of trying to roll 6s.

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020 - Reply
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 19:17:28 +0200
>> I WILL HURT YOU. The more armor you wear, the bigger guns or nastier
>> ammo I will use.

That's the same attitude I adopted when my player started loading up on
the heavy stuff (heavy security armor plus helmet and things like that).
He finally got the message after I put four characters in the hospital by
having them encounter guys with Firearms 9, plus they were using all the
cover they could while the characters were stupid enough to stand in the
middle of a hallway.

>Ok, the 'one-upsmanship' in play! No, don't just say "I'll use better
> ____" (whatevers). Just use more of them. One punk VS 50 punks will
> be messy for the solo guy (same for SHADOWRUN!)

But not if you play AD&D...

> I call it 'ant theory'.

I call it "flatlining 'em" :+)

> Paintball, Pinball, and driving around the state !
> of confusion without a licence. !

Serious crime!
Message no. 8
From: Tyger09@***.COM
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:20:54 EDT
>I just play a game by it's rules, and say what I find. The armor is
>there, so why not? It is designed to be concealed, so it isn't going to
>draw much attention. If the system can't get through they're own armor,
>I think that it's the designer's fault.

I disagree. The armour *can* be punched through with various weapons. But,
again, if you layer it on, you become the Michellen Man (or someone on
'shrooms...) But we punch through armor on a regular basis. (hey, I'm
thinking of going back to the Compound Bow! Watch that armour peel away!!!)

Don't forget! In Cyberpunk ANY TIME YOU GET HIT BY A BULLET YOU MUST MAKE A
STUN SAVE!!! So, fine. I don't kill you. You may go out on your OWN
accord. Thankyouverymuch. In Shadowrun you keep going till you run out of
steam (but, a Serious mental wound kinda makes you the little engine anyhow.
"I think I can I think I can I think I can..."

>So, I went back to a game that doesn't have that weakness.

.....naaaaaaaaa I won't say.

(My GURU is confused by that comment. His head is spinning like that girl in
poltergeist. Please explain...)

>And I'm writing one that is even tougher. Hard World, watch for it late
>this year, from R-n-R Games (I hope, if I can get it printed, which
>depends on my hubby finding a better job)

Ok, a thought about armor. If your players are hiding behind their portawall
(read a wearable shield) then LIMIT THE ARMOUR THEY CAN GET!!! Simple.

>Anyway, hey, I played the game as it was written. If you dig it, fine.

Groovy. 8P

-Tyger

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Message no. 9
From: Tyger09@***.COM
Subject: Re: CyberPunk 2020
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:49:26 EDT
Ok, this is a monster post, cuz it's easier to do it that way...

From: "J.W.Thomas" <cm5323@***.AC.UK>

>I've 'tweeked' the system a little, cos the rules allowed some
>thing HORRIBLE
>The WHITEOUT!!!

...only if you LET YOUR PLAYERS do it... but with the GURU by my side
(smoking Djarum's and chanting...) and Satriani in my CD player, we go
onward... Ok, we're gonna get anal here... But that's us at the Winona
Brotherhood of Cyberpunk Gamemasters & Rule Torquers.

(no, we don't have bugs running about...)

>The solo with everything he could get cybered
>ARMs both cybered, reinforced joints,hydralics and armoured
>Legs the same
>Subdermal,skinweave, torsoplate
>titanium skull plates,faceplate, cowl.
>Eyes. ears. Altered throat with armour

Ok, that's the CYBER portion. Lemme see here, your 'skinweave' only works
when you actually have 'skin' to weave. So that would cover, I think, the
nape of the neck, the groin area (possibly), and possibly your armpits.
(HEY! Cheap skinweave!)

Ok, on to the plating. True, you can get a cowl (SP 25), faceplate (SP 25)
and the 'neck' area (sounds like the item from Interface 3, v1 (p2) SP 20).
Ok, so you can take a bullet to the head, but you are OOOGLY!

On to the limbs. We'll assume that your solo had a high body (NO DUH!) The
cyber cost in humanity is monsterous, Max SDP is 60 (Orbital Crystal limbs,
VERY EXPENSIVE!) But SDP is how much a limb can take before it breaks down
(Cumalitive damage). Max SP is 20 on ANY limb.

Hydraulics, joints, and what not only enhance limb PERFORMANCE, not armour
rating.

Torso plating gives SP 25, but replaces the chest area and as such you
cannont combine it with any other cyberarmour. And, oh yes, your REF is -3.
Subdermal armour also reduces your REF (up to -2), and it only gives a
combined total of SP 27 (Proportional Armour rule, Cyberpunk 2020 v1.1)

Oh yeah, cybereyes & ears are NOT armoured (with the exception of the
optishield with an SP of 8)

>Wearing Skintight bodysuit and Full Metalgear+t-shirt

Hmm, skintight bodysuit? That's a cop thing, right? So, it only reduces
damage to the wearer, and only AFTER armor is punched through. Full
Metalgear is 25, granted. Plus a T-Shirt, ok.

>Head 82

SP 25 (overall, not cumalitive) + 25 (Metalgear) = 30 w/ proportional armour
rule (again, Cyberpunk 2020 (v 1.1))

>torso 90

SP 25 (metalgear + T- Shirt) + SP 27 (Cyberarmour) = SP 32

>arm/leg 45

Cyberarms SDP (35, but that's not SP!), Armoured to SP 20 + SP 25 (metalgear)
= 30 SP (proportional armour rule)

>All with the rules.

Ok, so it looks like your solo has a full body SP 30, an attractiveness of
MAXIMUM 5 (even with 'sculpt jobbing it...), and a max reflex of 2 (without
cyberwear) All by the book.

>Plus lots of implanted weapons
>He was on empathy 0.2, had no friends, was ex military and
>psycotic...also hunted by the police

Ok, "Hey! That sounds promising" -The GURU.

Empathy of 0.2? Hmm, can we say 'CYBERPSYCHO'?????? And only hunted by the
cops? How about Arasaka, Millitech, every booster in Night City (Blood
Razors, Slaughterhouse, Maelstrom, Red Chrome Legion, Blood & Tears...), The
Inquisitors (who would have fun tearing every bit of cyber out of his
"blasphemous, unholoy carsass!"), sevral nomad packs ("Parts is parts!
Some
just still move!") Not to mention a few civic-minded solo's who know what
cyberpsychos DO...

You get the idea...

>SO I CHANGED THEM.

How? I'd like to know myself.

>Now no one uses armour (unless they're taking big risks, then a
>vest) they use smarts and stealth...

AS IT SHOULD BE! Or, you simply use a liberal application of BS to tell the
guards "Hey! I really do work here!" ('natch having a high empathy HELPS on
jobs like that, but...)

> Never again.

???

(NEXT!)

From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>

>Rules legal? Barely.

...if you use a rubber band, it is.

>Law Legal? No.

'Natch. A big 'Hallelujah' comes fromt the "WBoCG&RT".

>Campaign Legal? Depends on GM.

You expect this character to last a campaign? I give 'im about 5 minutes on
the streets (or, to a smart player, 3 hours game play...)

>My questions are a) How did he get the MONEY to buy this, b) were was the
>CyberPsyhco Squad to bring down this Borg, c) why would any GM allow a
player
>to make such an monstrosity?

We gave the designer the freebie of being 'expirenced' (not just stoned...)
So we figured it was a guy who walks into a cybershop and says "Hi. Make me
a toaster." :P

The cyberpscho squad was taking down Jason J Everett. (look it up.)

and C), I allow my players to do whatever they please. I just let them know
that they can get mauled for it. Like wearing metalgear into Totentanz is
like wearing a neon sign saying 'kill me!'.

If you look like 'joe average', then a police sweep will miss you. If you're
..."That guy with the purple chrome cyberarm and the cybervocal that sounded
like Barney..." Then odds are you stick out in a crowd. So your high-cyber
people tend to get caught more often.

>The most obsecene Shadowrun Characater I saw had Wired 3, Muscle
Augmentation >4, A SuperThyroid Gland, and enough extra cyber/bio-ware to
give him a >initiative of 18+4d6.

That's all? :)

>Our GM let the player play this, but if I was GM I would
>have laughed and said "Try again Chummer."

Hmm... I had this problem. I made a 'speed chart' that you could pull,
strain, and generally injure your body by moving too fast. I may post it
sometime.

(More from Jason:)

>Still, I will admit that Cyberpunk 2020 is a flawed system. That's why I

The GURU just fell over, I think he's unconcious... No, no, he wants nore
nicotene...

>spent a lot of time fixing the flaws with House Rules. In fact, my combat
>house rules are so extensive that I rewrote the Friday Night Firefighsection
>to make it easier to tell what the rules were.

Ok, what flaws do you see with the system as it stands?

>I latest project has been joining forces with my pal, Steve Huth, to make
>Shadowrun style Magic Rules for CP2020. Why you ask? Because we got
fucking
>tired of trying to roll 6s.

Magic rules? Well... whatever...

Seen "Night's Edge"? It's a suppliment for CP 2020. It's got something like
that...

From: Rob Moulton <szicepik@****.ucdavis.edu>

>Anyway, my point is that the corps can pretty
>much do what they want in SRII (or other games too I suppose). And they
>can do it within the rules of the game.

Well, that's what you're out there for, isn't it?

'runners (edge or shadow) are riding the fringe, finding the new find. They
see what's out there and do something about it. If it's all about the money
that gets old quick. Now seeing that Renraku (Insert ANY corp here,
Shadowrun or Cyberpunk) is dumping radioactive stuff in your friends
neighborhood is one thing. What'cha gonna DO about it?

You get hired, you do a job, you go away. That's dull.

>Money? No object. Law legal?
>Well, that's relative to who owns the security and who sets the laws. He
>had a license to kill that didn't seem revokable. But that's where we
>came in. We were hired because someone thought we were the best.

...How about this? Find out 'WHY' he's killing things. Was he TRULY psycho
or was he on a vengance kick?

>Apparently the corp who hired us didn't have men skilled enough to get him
>on their own.

...or you were the group getting expiremented on. There's always
possibilities that there's a backstab...

>Campaign legal? For our game master he was, but
>that's because our GM likes to hit hard and push us to the limits of our
>creative thinking and problem solving skills. Makes for some damn good
>memories.

...and isn't that what you're doing this for?

-Tyger

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Message no. 10
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:56:53 -0700
On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> Ivy, All games have weaknesses. Shadowrun has some pretty huge ones too.
> Still, I will admit that Cyberpunk 2020 is a flawed system. That's why I
> spent a lot of time fixing the flaws with House Rules. In fact, my combat
> house rules are so extensive that I rewrote the Friday Night Firefighsection
> to make it easier to tell what the rules were.

Did you ever try the firefight rules from Hardwired? Probably, because
you know the game so well. They worked too, but. I can imagine your
ruleset, probably looked like mine did. About 14 sheets of computer
paper sticking out of the rule-book <giggle>.


> I latest project has been joining forces with my pal, Steve Huth, to make
> Shadowrun style Magic Rules for CP2020. Why you ask? Because we got fucking
> tired of trying to roll 6s.

Magic in CP2020? Huh?

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*
> * Jason J Carter * Carter@***.EDU * The late Deep Throat *
> * The Nightstalker * * The X-Files *
> *******************************************************************************
>
Well Jason, the difference here is that I would rather not rewrite a
ruleset anymore. I have had to do that with too many games. I play SRII by
the rules, except for the ranges for their firearms. (Those are doubled)

I can remember when Deirdre and I were trying to "fix" the holes in
CP2020 but I just decided to play SRII instead.

I just wish that FASA had gotten as much atmosphere into SRII as
R.Talsorian got into CP2020.

I keep some CP2020 things around, like Night City, just for the reading
pleasure. Though I might start a campaign there someday. . .

Ivy
Message no. 11
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: CyberPunk 2020
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:46:51 -0700
On Tue, 7 Jun 1994 Tyger09@***.COM wrote:

> Ok, this is a monster post, cuz it's easier to do it that way...
>
> From: "J.W.Thomas" <cm5323@***.AC.UK>
>
> >Plus lots of implanted weapons
> >He was on empathy 0.2, had no friends, was ex military and
> >psycotic...also hunted by the police
>
> Ok, "Hey! That sounds promising" -The GURU.
>
> Empathy of 0.2? Hmm, can we say 'CYBERPSYCHO'?????? And only hunted by the
> cops? How about Arasaka, Millitech, every booster in Night City (Blood
> Razors, Slaughterhouse, Maelstrom, Red Chrome Legion, Blood & Tears...), The
> Inquisitors (who would have fun tearing every bit of cyber out of his
> "blasphemous, unholoy carsass!"), sevral nomad packs ("Parts is parts!
Some
> just still move!") Not to mention a few civic-minded solo's who know what
> cyberpsychos DO...

Hey, I LIKE your Guru. He's got the right idea, big time. Course, so do
you.

>
> You get the idea...
>
> >SO I CHANGED THEM.
>
> How? I'd like to know myself.
>
Me too.

> >Now no one uses armour (unless they're taking big risks, then a
> >vest) they use smarts and stealth...
>
> AS IT SHOULD BE! Or, you simply use a liberal application of BS to tell the
> guards "Hey! I really do work here!" ('natch having a high empathy HELPS
on

> From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
> >Still, I will admit that Cyberpunk 2020 is a flawed system. That's why I
>
> The GURU just fell over, I think he's unconcious... No, no, he wants nore
> nicotene...

<giggle>
>
>
> Ok, what flaws do you see with the system as it stands?
>
>
> From: Rob Moulton <szicepik@****.ucdavis.edu>
>
> >Anyway, my point is that the corps can pretty
>
> Well, that's what you're out there for, isn't it?
> 'runners (edge or shadow) are riding the fringe, finding the new find. They
>
> You get hired, you do a job, you go away. That's dull.
>
> >Money? No object. Law legal?
> >Well, that's relative to who owns the security and who sets the laws. He
>
> ...How about this? Find out 'WHY' he's killing things. Was he TRULY psycho
> or was he on a vengance kick?
>
> >Apparently the corp who hired us didn't have men skilled enough to get him
> >on their own.
>
> ...or you were the group getting expiremented on. There's always
> possibilities that there's a backstab...
>
> >Campaign legal? For our game master he was, but
> >that's because our GM likes to hit hard and push us to the limits of our
> >creative thinking and problem solving skills. Makes for some damn good
> >memories.
>
> ...and isn't that what you're doing this for?
>
> -Tyger
GREAT set of points there Tyger! Thanks.
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>
Ivy
Message no. 12
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk 2020
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 05:41:49 -0700
On Tue, 7 Jun 1994 Tyger09@***.COM wrote:

> >I just play a game by it's rules, and say what I find. The armor is
>
> I disagree. The armour *can* be punched through with various weapons. But,
> again, if you layer it on, you become the Michellen Man (or someone on
> 'shrooms...) But we punch through armor on a regular basis. (hey, I'm
> thinking of going back to the Compound Bow! Watch that armour peel away!!!)

I am begining to think that you were playing a different CP2020 than we
were. Last night I went through Deirdre's Rulebook (copyright
1990,1991), the first printing thick sucker. I found no rules at all
about adjusting armor for wearing layers of it. So I looked at the
Chromebook, where the Gibson Battlegear is, and found no rules there
either. Que?

>
> Don't forget! In Cyberpunk ANY TIME YOU GET HIT BY A BULLET YOU MUST MAKE A
> STUN SAVE!!! So, fine. I don't kill you. You may go out on your OWN
> accord. Thankyouverymuch. In Shadowrun you keep going till you run out of
> steam (but, a Serious mental wound kinda makes you the little engine anyhow.
> "I think I can I think I can I think I can..."

I can't find any rule that makes someone make a stun save for a no-damage
hit either, in fact, the stun save rules seem rather lax.


> >So, I went back to a game that doesn't have that weakness.
>
> .....naaaaaaaaa I won't say.
>
> (My GURU is confused by that comment. His head is spinning like that girl in
> poltergeist. Please explain...)

Explain what? In SRII the equivalent of the Gibson (Armor vest, ballistic
clothing and Armor Jacket gives the character 8 Ballistic and 4 Impact.
Against most pistol sized weapons that's fine if the shooter is a normal
person. The out-of-the-box street sammi with smartlink, SMG and Combat
Pool will most likely, at street-fighting ranges, get 10 Successes with a
10M, staged up to a 10D+3 burst. That'll take out most out-of-the-box
street sammi's right there.

In CP2020 I don't think that same burst would even tickle a person in
Gibson Battlegear.

> >And I'm writing one that is even tougher. Hard World, watch for it late
> >this year, from R-n-R Games (I hope, if I can get it printed, which
> >depends on my hubby finding a better job)
>
> Ok, a thought about armor. If your players are hiding behind their portawall
> (read a wearable shield) then LIMIT THE ARMOUR THEY CAN GET!!! Simple.

How do you, reasonably, limit the characters so that they can't buy
clothing like the Gibson stuff? Things like that are available today.

I really think, from what you have said, that R.Talsorian games has
rewritten a large part of the game since I last played it. What
printing(s) are your rulebooks?


> >Anyway, hey, I played the game as it was written. If you dig it, fine.
>
> Groovy. 8P

What does the "8P" mean? Looks like someone with glasses sticking out
their tongue! <giggle>

> -Tyger
>
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> ******************************************************************
>
Oh, yeah, my hubby and I met the guys writing CP2020 way back in 1986,
before they had the ruleset completed. At a game-store in a basement in
Santa Cruz. The Store was destroyed in the 1990 or 1991 earthquake. We
liked the idea then, and still like the attitude. Ever think of the Voo
Doo Boyz as a bad nasty wiz gang?

To use Night City with SRII you have to lower the prices (Essence and
money) for cyber. That's the only reason I haven't crossed the two games
over yet. I like to stay inside the ruleset whenever I can.

Ivy

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