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Message no. 1
From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:01:41 +0200
Sniper Cyber Kit

Smartgun Link Level 2
Cybereyes w/ Lowlite , Thermo, Rangefinder, Flare Compensation
Blood Pump
Synthacardium w/ temporary stop facility.
Enriched fluorocarbons inlet valve.
Diaphragm inhibitor.

New warez

Blood Pump
Essence Cost 0.4
Cost ¥ 35 000
Street Index 3
Availability 7 / 7 days

The Blood Pump replaces normal heart function when the temporary stop
facility, new to the synthacardium cuts in. This pump is non
concussive, supplying a constant flow of blood at the same rate as
normal heart.

Diaphragm Inhibitor
Essence Cost : 0.2
Cost ¥ 15 000
Street Index 3
Availability 7 / 7 days

The Diaphragm Inhibitor releases electrical impulses into the
autonomous nervous system, stopping the diaphragm from filling the
lungs with air. This situation prevents the sniper from allowing his
natural breathing pattern to disrupt his aim. Enriched fluorocarbons
compensate for the lack of oxygen and the Inhibitor cuts out
automatically after 2 minutes.

Inlet Valve
Essence Cost 0.1
Cost ¥ 4 000
Street Index 1.5
Availability 4 / 24 hours

An inlet valve is simply a section of suitable vein, usually in the
lower arm that is replaced with a plastic counterpart. This fake vein
is fitted with a clip that protrudes through the skin and is
compatible with medical hose clips used on drips for the timed
delivery of medicines.

Please note. The Diaphragm Inhibitor mat cause lung collapse. Anyone
have a way around that?

Thanks

BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>
*Executive Engineer* *FrontLine Games*
Yo soy un disco quebrado
Yo tengo chicle en cerebro
sm:)e
Message no. 2
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:43:47 -0500
Quoting Bruce (gyro@********.CO.ZA):
> Sniper Cyber Kit
>
> Smartgun Link Level 2
> Cybereyes w/ Lowlite , Thermo, Rangefinder, Flare Compensation
> Blood Pump
> Synthacardium w/ temporary stop facility.
> Enriched fluorocarbons inlet valve.
> Diaphragm inhibitor.

No Magnification for the cybereyes?

I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that the arteries are
not simply channels for fresh blood, but that they also aid in the
circulation process by expanding and contracting. If that's the case,
rather than modifying the heart, you might need some sort of special pacemaker
to slow the entire system down.
Rather than the flurocarbons, which are a bit messy to deal with,
you could use either an internal oxygen supply (didn't I see one of those
somewhere?) or design some sort of 'gill' system that would absorb oxygen
through the skin (probably only enough to support someone who wasn't
engaging in heavy activity at the time).

--Sean
--
Sean McCrohan (mccrohan@**.gatech.edu) | "He uses his folly as a stalking
Grad Student, Human-Computer Interaction | horse, and under the presentation
Georgia Institute of Technology | of that he shoots his wit."
http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~smccrohan | _As You Like It_, Act 5 Sc 4
Message no. 3
From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:22:29 +0200
Sniper Cyber Kit

Smartgun Link Level 2
Cybereyes w/ Lowlite , Thermo, Rangefinder, Flare Compensation
Blood Pump
Synthacardium w/ temporary stop facility.
Enriched fluorocarbons inlet valve.
Diaphragm inhibitor.

New warez

Blood Pump
Essence Cost 0.4
Cost ¥ 35 000
Street Index 3
Availability 7 / 7 days

The Blood Pump replaces normal heart function when the temporary stop
facility, new to the synthacardium cuts in. This pump is non
concussive, supplying a constant flow of blood at the same rate as
normal heart.

Diaphragm Inhibitor
Essence Cost : 0.2
Cost ¥ 15 000
Street Index 3
Availability 7 / 7 days

The Diaphragm Inhibitor releases electrical impulses into the
autonomous nervous system, stopping the diaphragm from filling the
lungs with air. This situation prevents the sniper from allowing his
natural breathing pattern to disrupt his aim. Enriched fluorocarbons
compensate for the lack of oxygen and the Inhibitor cuts out
automatically after 2 minutes.

Inlet Valve
Essence Cost 0.1
Cost ¥ 4 000
Street Index 1.5
Availability 4 / 24 hours

An inlet valve is simply a section of suitable vein, usually in the
lower arm that is replaced with a plastic counterpart. This fake vein
is fitted with a clip that protrudes through the skin and is
compatible with medical hose clips used on drips for the timed
delivery of medicines.

Please note. The Diaphragm Inhibitor maycause lung collapse. Anyone
have a way around that?

Thanks

BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>
*Executive Engineer* *FrontLine Games*
Yo soy un disco quebrado
Yo tengo chicle en cerebro
sm:)e
Message no. 4
From: Kevin Langevin <kevinl@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:00:27 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean McCrohan [mailto:mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:44 AM
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
>
> Rather than the flurocarbons, which are a bit messy
> to deal with,
> you could use either an internal oxygen supply (didn't I see
> one of those
> somewhere?)

CyberTechnology has an internal air supply...20 minutes of compressed air in
a tank implanted in the torso. Quite nice...those an a pair of nose plugs,
and you can deal with hostile inhalents pretty well...It's come in handy for
two different characters I've bought them for.

or design some sort of 'gill' system that would
> absorb oxygen
> through the skin (probably only enough to support someone who wasn't
> engaging in heavy activity at the time).

That's a neat idea...someone want to propose stats for such a system? My
next character can be a Stream Samurai... :)

-Kev
Message no. 5
From: Royce Cetlin <rcetlin@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:28:42 PST
>Rather than the flurocarbons, which are a bit messy to deal with,
>you could use either an internal oxygen supply (didn't I see one of
those
>somewhere?) or design some sort of 'gill' system that would absorb
oxygen
>through the skin (probably only enough to support someone who wasn't
>engaging in heavy activity at the time).

I believe it's in Cybertechnology, the internal air supply.

My thoughts on Sniper kit...

smartlink II, internal air supply (Optional), tactical computer,
orientation system, Enhanced imaging, olfactory booster (for detecing
anti-snipers units....), Hearing amplifier (same use), reaction
enhancer, synaptic accelerator...etc, etc,....

Pathfinder

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Message no. 6
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:22:33 EST
In a message dated 98-11-11 07:15:18 EST, you write:

>
> Please note. The Diaphragm Inhibitor mat cause lung collapse. Anyone
> have a way around that?
>
> Thanks
>

I dunno... PErsonally, I would leave that chance in there, to kep people from
wanting to use it in their games to often. Avoids munchie problems down the
road. Say give it a 1 in 36 chance of happening each time (IE a roll of 2 on
2d6)
Message no. 7
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:11:44 EST
In a message dated 11/11/1998 7:15:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gyro@********.CO.ZA writes:

> Sniper Cyber Kit

Oh goody, more toys.

> Smartgun Link Level 2
> Cybereyes w/ Lowlite , Thermo, Rangefinder, Flare Compensation
> Blood Pump
> Synthacardium w/ temporary stop facility.
> Enriched fluorocarbons inlet valve.
> Diaphragm inhibitor.

I'll wait until lower down here...

> New warez
>
> Blood Pump
> Essence Cost 0.4
> Cost ¥ 35 000
> Street Index 3
> Availability 7 / 7 days
>
> The Blood Pump replaces normal heart function when the temporary stop
> facility, new to the synthacardium cuts in. This pump is non
> concussive, supplying a constant flow of blood at the same rate as
> normal heart.

Ugh, ew, hold on a second. Constant Flow of blood through the system migh=
t be
really annoying on the rest of the body. And imagine the diastolic feedba=
ck
problems when the heart kick's back in.

And btw, the Synthacardium is merely musclulature added to the existing he=
art
muscle. You'd have to shut down the heart itself to pull off what you are
wanting to do here. And -that- is not funny, even with the potential
cybermods that exist.

> Diaphragm Inhibitor
> Essence Cost : 0.2
> Cost ¥ 15 000
> Street Index 3
> Availability 7 / 7 days
>
> The Diaphragm Inhibitor releases electrical impulses into the
> autonomous nervous system, stopping the diaphragm from filling the
> lungs with air. This situation prevents the sniper from allowing his
> natural breathing pattern to disrupt his aim. Enriched fluorocarbons
> compensate for the lack of oxygen and the Inhibitor cuts out
> automatically after 2 minutes.

OMG!!! The concept is entirely evil. This sounds more like something use=
d as
a "Mysterious Cyberware" flaw. I don't care if there are flourocarbons or
not, 2 minutes is entirely too long. Also, the idea of using them with an=
y
frequency is just mindblowing.

Hell, we found some rule ideas for Tri-Ox compounds, only to discover the
sickness / addiction that come from their continued usage.

> Inlet Valve
> Essence Cost 0.1
> Cost ¥ 4 000
> Street Index 1.5
> Availability 4 / 24 hours
>
> An inlet valve is simply a section of suitable vein, usually in the
> lower arm that is replaced with a plastic counterpart. This fake vein
> is fitted with a clip that protrudes through the skin and is
> compatible with medical hose clips used on drips for the timed
> delivery of medicines.

This kind of reminds me of the idea of an implanted Medical Injector syste=
m,
like the kinds that are mentioned in the Cybertechnology sourcebook.

> Please note. The Diaphragm Inhibitor mat cause lung collapse. Anyone
> have a way around that?

Sure ... don't get one. On a more positive looking note towards your idea=
,
perhaps a alveolic frame support. Something that would be like bone lacin=
g,
but only performed on the larger alveoli in the lungs. Basically, making =
them
more rigid and less likely to such an event.

> Thanks

I don't know if "You're Welcome" comes to my mind. Those first two mods a=
re
something I know -I- wouldn't want, and I'm not sure about any of the runn=
ers
I am aware of.

-K
Message no. 8
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:17:26 EST
In a message dated 11/11/1998 10:01:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
kevinl@******.COM writes:

>
> That's a neat idea...someone want to propose stats for such a system? My
> next character can be a Stream Samurai... :)
>
> -Kev
>
We've had something similar for a while, but have NOT put it up to the site.
Perhaps we could. Not interesting though.

-K
Message no. 9
From: Jonathan P Martin <devotelyapathetic@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:39:54 -0500
On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:11:44 EST K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 11/11/1998 7:15:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>gyro@********.CO.ZA writes:
>
>> Sniper Cyber Kit
<snip mods>
>Ugh, ew, hold on a second. Constant Flow of blood through the system
>migh=
>t be
>really annoying on the rest of the body. And imagine the diastolic
>feedba=
>ck
>problems when the heart kick's back in.
>
>And btw, the Synthacardium is merely musclulature added to the
>existing he=
>art
>muscle. You'd have to shut down the heart itself to pull off what you
>are
>wanting to do here. And -that- is not funny, even with the potential
>cybermods that exist.

Eek! Shutting down the heart voluntarily? Sound pretty hard to me. Ya
see the heart has a unique automaticity (sp?) property in that it
generates it's own electrical nerve stimulus. In fact it's got about 4
seperate 'back up' type sytems, while each set's a progressively lower
heart rate, they'll all get the heart moving. In general this souds very
hard almost on the verge of impossible and would be so intricate a
process that the essense would have to be very high, like maybe a couple
points high.

Add in that your viens have all those one way valves which use the
powerful force of the heart to open them and move the blood up from the
extremities (Like the feet) and it doesn't look good. Sounds like it'd
result in bloating, amoung other things and nothing I'd hate more as a
would-be-sniper as having that bloating distracting me while I was trying
to take my shot.

IMHO you can't beat a physad with a point of mods for a real sniper. All
those lovely stealth dice..mmm....forget reaction mods, if you're at the
edge of your range they aren't going to see you and if they did you still
have plenty of time to get away....mm....lovely athletic's dice.....

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Message no. 10
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:08:38 -0500
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At 08:43 AM 11/11/98 -0500, Sean wrote:
> Rather than the flurocarbons, which are a bit messy to deal
with,
>you could use either an internal oxygen supply (didn't I see one of
those
>somewhere?)

If you're talking about the internal air tank from Cybertech, it was
my impression that it still required regular diaphram action to
circulate the air into the lungs.

>or design some sort of 'gill' system that would absorb oxygen
>through the skin (probably only enough to support someone who wasn't
>engaging in heavy activity at the time).

Perhaps a cyberware version of the following:

"In just a few minutes, sir," said the waiter. He took
a deep breath. He didn't need to do this since his body
was supplied with the peculiar assortment of gasses it
required for survival from a small intravenous device
strapped to his leg. There are times however, when whatever
your metabolism you have to take a deep breath.

-- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

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Message no. 11
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:15:14 EST
In a message dated 11/11/1998 2:47:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
devotelyapathetic@****.COM writes:

>
> IMHO you can't beat a physad with a point of mods for a real sniper. All
> those lovely stealth dice..mmm....forget reaction mods, if you're at the
> edge of your range they aren't going to see you and if they did you still
> have plenty of time to get away....mm....lovely athletic's dice.....
>
Na, get the Sniper to go demi-rigger from the POV of at least having access to
FDDM and/or IVIS-parallel considerations. I say demi-, because you cannot
"aim" with a drone and get the bonuses for such.

-K
Message no. 12
From: greg basa <demipop@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:53:05 -0500
+AD4-IMHO you can't beat a physad with a point of mods for a real sniper. All
+AD4-those lovely stealth dice..mmm....forget reaction mods, if you're at the
+AD4-edge of your range they aren't going to see you and if they did you still
+AD4-have plenty of time to get away....mm....lovely athletic's dice.....


Don't forget pain resistance+ACE- Nothing like standing for six straight hours
just waiting for a target to get into position+ACE- And as far as slowing down
the heart goes, why not use MAO?
Message no. 13
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:54:34 +0000
and thus did Sean McCrohan speak on 11 Nov 98 at 8:43:

> I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that the arteries are
> not simply channels for fresh blood, but that they also aid in the
> circulation process by expanding and contracting. If that's the
> case, rather than modifying the heart, you might need some sort of
> special pacemaker to slow the entire system down.

The contraction of arteries is negligible compared to that of the
heart, stopping that wouldn't do anything to your aim. Plus those
contractions and expansions are primarily to regulate the amount of
blood flowing to an area, like in vessels contracting when it's cold.

> Rather than the flurocarbons, which are a bit messy to deal with,
> you could use either an internal oxygen supply (didn't I see one of
> those somewhere?) or design some sort of 'gill' system that would
> absorb oxygen through the skin (probably only enough to support
> someone who wasn't engaging in heavy activity at the time).

Don't you still need to exhale with these internal supplies, I mean
the thing is pumping air into your lungs and that needs to get out. I
always saw these things as having a diving O2 supply internal. On the
other hand, if the tank gives off a steady stream of air into your
lungs, you could just exhale softly continuously (weird feeling must
that be).

To the original writer: like your ideas, good post!


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 14
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:54:34 +0000
and thus did Jonathan P Martin speak on 11 Nov 98 at 14:39:

> Eek! Shutting down the heart voluntarily? Sound pretty hard to me.
> Ya see the heart has a unique automaticity (sp?) property in that it
> generates it's own electrical nerve stimulus. In fact it's got
> about 4 seperate 'back up' type sytems, while each set's a
> progressively lower heart rate, they'll all get the heart moving.
> In general this souds very hard almost on the verge of impossible
> and would be so intricate a process that the essense would have to
> be very high, like maybe a couple points high.

Isn't it possible with current day science to stop the heart during
e.g. a by-pass operation? So what's the difficult part, specially with
50-60 years of advances in medical science?


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 15
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:54:34 +0000
and thus did K in the Shadows speak on 11 Nov 98 at 13:11:

> Ugh, ew, hold on a second. Constant Flow of blood through the
> system might be really annoying on the rest of the body. And
> imagine the diastolic feedback problems when the heart kick's back
> in.

Right now (another case of real tech catching on to SR tech) the
latest designs in artificial hearts are centred around continuous
flow solutions since it's so much easier to make and it doesn't
break down as quickly.

(More in another mail).


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 16
From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:11:19 +0200
To the original writer: like your ideas, good post!
Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie


Thanks :)

I guess the original intent was not so clear. When at long to silly
ranges,
snipers need as stable a platform to fire from as possible. Simply
holding
ones breath is often not of long enough duration.

Thats it
BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>
*Executive Engineer* *FrontLine Games*
Yo soy un disco quebrado
Yo tengo chicle en cerebro
sm:)e
Message no. 17
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:26:42 +0000
and thus did Bruce speak on 12 Nov 98 at 14:11:

> I guess the original intent was not so clear. When at long to silly
> ranges, snipers need as stable a platform to fire from as possible.
> Simply holding ones breath is often not of long enough duration.

Just had an idea: what about that thing that Bruce Willis used in
"the Jackal" with a smartlink interface? No more worries about any
movement whatsoever, plus you can mount a bigger gun on it than you
can carry (I loved the scenes where he used that cannon :)


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 18
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyber Sniper Kit
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:42:44 EST
In a message dated 11/13/1998 4:28:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
chimerae@***.IE writes:

>
> Just had an idea: what about that thing that Bruce Willis used in
> "the Jackal" with a smartlink interface? No more worries about any
> movement whatsoever, plus you can mount a bigger gun on it than you
> can carry (I loved the scenes where he used that cannon :)

*THAT* toy can be built using R2 rules and it can built incredibly lethal,
both in power and accuracy. Hell, we've built something like that using a
Steel Lynx frame, BTAC FDDM/IVIS and Snake-Eyes/Designators.

-K

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