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Message no. 1
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: CyberTechnology & initiatives
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:29:56 -0700
I have a question regarding initiative and wired and
synaptic accel. etc...

Currently the rules are that you can't achieve higher
than 4d6 initiative, but now the CyberTech book
has the +4d6 move by wire *not that I don't think
that this is a viable option but...

I also want to make note of the statement that synaptic
accel. can be combined with wired (or at least move by
wire). what's going on? Are they now saying that
wired three can be combined with synaptic accel. level 1.

Oh yea and the big deterrent
*as long as they are put in at the same time*

Comments, Discussions...

Thanks
Gary C.
Message no. 2
From: Ioannis Pantelidis <jpante@******.COMPULINK.GR>
Subject: Re: CyberTechnology & initiatives
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:40:56 +0300
On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Gary Carroll wrote:
> wire). what's going on? Are they now saying that
> wired three can be combined with synaptic accel. level 1.
i think that the synaptic accelerator can be combined with any level of
wire reflexes because when the srII describe the wired reflexes they say
that you do not use the commons nervous cells that our body use for reflexes
but wires.but in synaptic acceleraor saying that it the nerve cells are
growing that is way the initiative it grows.
maybe they are saying that you can have +5d6 trough wire reflexes III and
kamikaze!! :)
Message no. 3
From: "Victor Rodriguez, Jr" <sedahdro@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: CyberTechnology & initiatives
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 05:14:00 EST
>I also want to make note of the statement that synaptic
>accel. can be combined with wired (or at least move by
>wire). what's going on? Are they now saying that
>wired three can be combined with synaptic accel. level 1.
No, but Syn. Accel level 1 can be combined with Move by Wire.
>Oh yea and the big deterrent
>*as long as they are put in at the same time*
You also forgot that you have to triple the normal cost of Syn Accel. Level
1 would run you 225,000 nuyen
---Sedah Drol
Message no. 4
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: CyberTechnology & initiatives
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:05:18 GMT
> From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>

> I have a question regarding initiative and wired and
> synaptic accel. etc...
>
ok, i don't think i am in a position to 'answer' this one, await
gurus comments but i have my own opinions. Will annotate as to 'i
think' or 'FASA says'.

> Currently the rules are that you can't achieve higher
> than 4d6 initiative,
I assume you are taking the ruling from DLOH that folks have quoted,
as far as i know this does not appear in any published material,
though DLOH makes it FASA.

> but now the CyberTech book
> has the +4d6 move by wire *not that I don't think
> that this is a viable option but...
>
> I also want to make note of the statement that synaptic
> accel. can be combined with wired (or at least move by
> wire). what's going on? Are they now saying that
> wired three can be combined with synaptic accel. level 1.
>
this one really opens a whole can of worms

> Oh yea and the big deterrent
> *as long as they are put in at the same time*
>
yeah right like the cost of synaptic one is going to be noticed on
the move by wire 4 bill.

> Comments, Discussions...
>
ok comming up, this could get rather long !

you can get extra initative dice from (add if i missed any)
Wired refexes, 1,2,3. Cyberware
boosted 1,2,3. Cyberware
Synaptic accelerator 1,2. Bioware
increase reflexes spell 1,2,3. Magic spell
increase refleses phsad 1,2,3. Magic power
Move by wire 1,2,3,4. Cyberware
Kamikazie (+1D6) Drug
Jazz (+1D6) Drug
VCR (rigger) 1,2,3. Cyberware
oh and decking plusses but those only affect matrix and nothing else
does.

now FASA specifically ban stacking
In main rulebook
wired refexes with : VCR, magic spells, or phsad abilities.
VCR with : wired, magic (any)

in shadowtech, under synaptic accelerator
synaptic with : wired, boosted, VCR
under boosted
boosted with : anything , wired, synaptic, VCR, magic.

in Cybertechnology
comment move by wire may stack with synaptic accelerator 1.

-----------------
this leaves us
boosted, VCR, wired : don't stack with anything except the combat
drugs, FASA give no guide on wether you can stack both drugs or not,
GM discretion here and sense could say no but technically it is not
banned. (excepting DLOH 4D6 limit)
I don't think you can do synaptic & wired due to synaptic and move by
wire as Shadowtech says no and Cybertechnology does not directly
contradict it.

Magic spells, physad abilities and boosted : there are no cross bans
at all!! so 1D6 + 3 [spell] + 3 [phys ad] + 2 [synaptic] = 9D6!!
ok i can imagine the reaction, but appart from the DLOH ruling i
have not seen FASA say you cannot do it, though sense may prevail,
then of course you add battle drugs on top !!!

When you note that + 4D6 initative is only +2 drain target more than
+3D6 life gets worse!! [easy to stop as spell design is an art and
the Hermetics can be overulled] Caculations [just for the fun of it]
involving a Dragon and all the add ons, and an about +10D6 inc
reflexes gives maiximum initative over 133. It's just not sensible
thats all :) :) :)

Well comments awaited,

> Thanks
> Gary C.
>
Mark
Message no. 5
From: "Brian A. Stewart" <bstewart@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: CyberTechnology & initiatives
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:06:47 -0700
Mark writes:
---long post, just a warning-----
>you can get extra initative dice from (add if i missed any)
>Wired refexes, 1,2,3. Cyberware
>boosted 1,2,3. Cyberware
>Synaptic accelerator 1,2. Bioware
>increase reflexes spell 1,2,3. Magic spell
>increase refleses phsad 1,2,3. Magic power
>Move by wire 1,2,3,4. Cyberware
>Kamikazie (+1D6) Drug
>Jazz (+1D6) Drug
>VCR (rigger) 1,2,3. Cyberware
-----------
VCR only adds initiate dice for rigging (at least that is how we played it)
-----------
>oh and decking plusses but those only affect matrix and nothing else
>does.
>
>now FASA specifically ban stacking
>In main rulebook
>wired refexes with : VCR, magic spells, or phsad abilities.
>VCR with : wired, magic (any)
>
>in shadowtech, under synaptic accelerator
>synaptic with : wired, boosted, VCR
> under boosted
>boosted with : anything , wired, synaptic, VCR, magic.
>
>in Cybertechnology
>comment move by wire may stack with synaptic accelerator 1.
-----------------
This all sounds correct to me, nice work.
-----------------
>this leaves us
>boosted, VCR, wired : don't stack with anything except the combat
>drugs, FASA give no guide on wether you can stack both drugs or not,
>GM discretion here and sense could say no but technically it is not
>banned. (excepting DLOH 4D6 limit)
>I don't think you can do synaptic & wired due to synaptic and move by
>wire as Shadowtech says no and Cybertechnology does not directly
>contradict it.
>
>Magic spells, physad abilities and boosted : there are no cross bans
>at all!! so 1D6 + 3 [spell] + 3 [phys ad] + 2 [synaptic] = 9D6!!
>ok i can imagine the reaction, but appart from the DLOH ruling i
>have not seen FASA say you cannot do it, though sense may prevail,
>then of course you add battle drugs on top !!!
>
>When you note that + 4D6 initative is only +2 drain target more than
>+3D6 life gets worse!! [easy to stop as spell design is an art and
>the Hermetics can be overulled] Caculations [just for the fun of it]
>involving a Dragon and all the add ons, and an about +10D6 inc
>reflexes gives maiximum initative over 133. It's just not sensible
>thats all :) :) :)
>
------------
133 initiative, I can just see my players drooling right now :o). Too bad I
impliment the maximum 4D6 rule >|(.

I also ruled that spell and phys ad are not additive only the highest
initiate counts. That goes with using initiative spells at all, they are
never additive to cybernetic/bionetic initiative, only highest rating
counts. But I have made them additive to reaction enhancers, likewise
Boosted Att Reaction (not initiative) is additive to initiative enhancing
cybernetic/bioware. But those are all house rules :).

This has been a rambling mouth production.
Thanks and Enjoy.
Brian
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