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Message no. 1
From: Jan-bart van Beek <flake@***.NL>
Subject: Cybertechnology res.
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:16:22 +0200
On the topic of lasers (quotes):

>Eye lasers. Why all the different types? once you have a laze, can't you use
>it as a designator or a tracker (if it is bright enough)?

The tracker is a limb-control device, not a laser built into the eye. I
believe you need a laser designator in your eye, and if you then also get a
tracker, your arm will point where you look.

>On that tip, the shit about wearing mirror-shades to protect your eyes is
>totaly wrong. Using a very low power lazer, and wearing a number 13 and 5
>shield (dark gogals for oxy-aceteline welding under very dark mask for
>arc-welding), I aimed into my eye, and was blinded for about 30 seconds.
>Locking eyes with any sort of eye lazer system would be blinding, perhaps
>permanantly.

That is good to know :) One thing to remember, BTW, is that the people
making the shadow comments not necessarily know what they're talking about
(of course that's just an easy way out for FASA if they've goofed :)

And now my thoughts on this:

It seems that the laser tracking mount needs the laser tracker eye system
for some reason. Why, go figure.
My question is how the hell I can incorperate this into the rules.
What is it's game effect ? What skills do you use to aim it ? What
modifiers do you use ?

FASA has been very sloppy indeed. I feels like I'm reading the Rigger
Book for the first time, a few answers but a hell of a lot new questions.

You can't use the same rules as you do for the eye laser tool cause the
TN's would get astronomically high. And you can't use the same rules as
with normal laser designators. But then again those rules were also
incredibly sloppy.

From the book:

Consult the laser designator ranges on page 87 of this book.

.. ofcourse they aren't there....

As for aiming lasers into someone's eye. The americans came up with a
weapon to do exactly that, aim a laser into someone's eye and try to
temporarly blind him. They ended up making a weapon that could only
permanently blind a man, because the treshold between glaring and
blinding were so close too each other that it could not be made to glare
someone.

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. Sure hope VR 2 will be better.
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**** The Cornflake Killer Strikes again ****
Message no. 2
From: Sebastian Wiers <seb@***.RIPCO.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertechnology res.
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:10:58 -0500
>
> On the topic of lasers (quotes):
>
> >Eye lasers. Why all the different types? once you have a laze, can't you use
> >it as a designator or a tracker (if it is bright enough)?
>
> The tracker is a limb-control device, not a laser built into the eye. I
> believe you need a laser designator in your eye, and if you then also get a
> tracker, your arm will point where you look.
>
Actually, the laser tracker is a seperate piece of cyber- a low powered lazer
designator, with lower essence cost. It is for use with either the articulate
mount or a tracking mount. The laser designator could also be used, but is
more ideal for things like guiding artilary or vehicle mounted weapons, whose
position may be completely different from the implantee's.


(my stupid laser tricks anecdote aboute shades and blinding)
Thanks for the comment about the very thin glare/blinding line. Sounds like
I came closer than I thought do doing ssomething I'd regret the rest of my
life.
>
> And now my thoughts on this:
>
> It seems that the laser tracking mount needs the laser tracker eye system
> for some reason. Why, go figure.
> My question is how the hell I can incorperate this into the rules.
> What is it's game effect ? What skills do you use to aim it ? What
> modifiers do you use ?

I think they said the effect was as if you were firing the weapon, with a
laser targeting scope. Ie, -1 tn. The advatage to a mount is, if you cyber
control the weapon ( maybe via the cool new cybercontroler or a smartlink- you
would think such control was built ino the articulate arm and tracking mount,
but interperate as you will ) then firing is now a free action, like
activating any other cyber. You look, the weapon picks up the lazer, it fires
on command, then you fire from hand guns as well, or whatever.
>
>
> You can't use the same rules as you do for the eye laser tool cause the
> TN's would get astronomically high. And you can't use the same rules as
> with normal laser designators. But then again those rules were also
> incredibly sloppy.
Actually, I think you do use the rules for lazer designators- I'll dig up our
groups fof (damn sammie borrowed it again).

As for eye light systems, I decided they make the situation one catagory
beter- no light is minimal now, patrial is as dy light, light smoke becomes
mist, whatever, look at the chart and figure it out.

Any information/ ideas on lazer microphoes would still be vastly apraciated.
Guess maybe the engeneering section of the library- but miniturization and
essence consumptionb are hard to predict.
>
> **** The Cornflake Killer Strikes again ****
>
Sebastina
aka
Mongose
elf with no essence

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