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Message no. 1
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:24:17 +0100
Hi everyone...

There is a certain delicate question has been bugging me for a quite
long time... I don't think it has been discussed before, but if I'm
wrong, well, sorry.
When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
some impact on the characters further life...

thanks
ss
Message no. 2
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:40:17 EST
In a message dated 97-12-11 02:24:45 EST, you write:

> When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
> removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
> metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
> by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
> If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
> some impact on the characters further life...
>
One of two things. First, the offending piece of flesh is removed permanently
and the person can have something even better installed or grafted onto the
once offending members place. Or, second, the torso does not affect the
preferred member and does nothing else for the person ... though there would
be something humorous about having the same person's internal air tank
installed within the preferred member ... thus ensuring that the preferred
member shall riseth up unto the occassion when so called forth ...

Mike
Message no. 3
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:20:57 +0100
At 11-Dez-97 wrote Simon T. Sailer:

>Hi everyone...

>There is a certain delicate question has been bugging me for a quite
>long time... I don't think it has been discussed before, but if I'm
>wrong, well, sorry.
>When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
>removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
>metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
>by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
>If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
>some impact on the characters further life...

Hihihi, very nice question........
How about an design option for Cybertorsos?
1. without, no extra cost.
2. Metall ones :) 5000-Y-
2a. usefull +5000-Y- 0.1 Essence for females, 0.25 essence for males.
3. removeable plate(s) 1000-Y-

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Message no. 4
From: losthalo <losthalo@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:39:21 -0500
At 08:24 AM 12/11/97 +0100, you wrote:
>When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
>removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
>metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
>by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
>If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
>some impact on the characters further life...

I was always under the impression, from the illustration in CT, that the
cybertorso and cyberskull shown were designed such that they could be done
underneath the character's original skin, leaving them looksing fairly
human still, if desired. That being said, I would think that you could
keep your genitalia, though some minor tweaking might be in order to keep
it.... functioning properly. Unfortunately, that is one of the most vague
entries in CT, and one of the entries that definitely needed a lot of
explanation.


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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:12:55 +0100
Barbie said on 12:20/11 Dec 97...

> Hihihi, very nice question........
> How about an design option for Cybertorsos?
> 1. without, no extra cost.
> 2. Metall ones :) 5000-Y-

Sounds rather expensive for what's basically a slightly modified toy ;)

> 2a. usefull +5000-Y- 0.1 Essence for females, 0.25 essence for males.

Shouldn't that Essence cost perhaps be reversed? OTOH it shouldn't be too
hard, if the patient is male, to simply install the original organs --
after most of them are on the outside of the body. For women, the
cybertorso pictured on page 37 of Cybertech looks a bit problematic, if
you ask me...

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Message no. 6
From: Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:25:16 +0000
"Simon T. Sailer" once wrote,

> There is a certain delicate question has been bugging me for a quite
> long time... I don't think it has been discussed before, but if I'm
> wrong, well, sorry.
> When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
> removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
> metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
> by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
> If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
> some impact on the characters further life...

Hmm... For one, I think cyber-torsos were placed "under" the skin, like
the cyberskull, so I guess fully functionnal organs would still be
there... But then again, maybe some hardcore jokers would like to have the
full "cyborg" look, with hard armor on top of that...In that case, they
would probably have them removed, replaced by a nice metal plate. IMHO,
they won't miss it... When you want to become a cybermantic combat monster,
sex usually falls way down your list of priorities. (But, hey, ya still
got your hands :) )

Trinity
------------------------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
Trinity@********.com, jeanpell@****.qc..ca

"Life is a blur"
Message no. 7
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:59:40 +0100
At 11-Dez-97 wrote Gurth:

>Barbie said on 12:20/11 Dec 97...

>> Hihihi, very nice question........
>> How about an design option for Cybertorsos?
>> 1. without, no extra cost.
>> 2. Metall ones :) 5000-Y-

>Sounds rather expensive for what's basically a slightly modified toy ;)

Maybe :)

>> 2a. usefull +5000-Y- 0.1 Essence for females, 0.25 essence for males.

>Shouldn't that Essence cost perhaps be reversed? OTOH it shouldn't be too
>hard, if the patient is male, to simply install the original organs --
>after most of them are on the outside of the body. For women, the
>cybertorso pictured on page 37 of Cybertech looks a bit problematic, if
>you ask me...

Yep, implanting the original parts afterwards again would fall under the 3.
rmovable plates :)
On the essence thing, hmmmm.....

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Message no. 8
From: Hedley <hedley@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:05:19 -0600
On 12/11/97 at 05:49 losthalo wrote:

>I was always under the impression, from the illustration in CT, that the
>cybertorso and cyberskull shown were designed such that they could be done
>underneath the character's original skin, leaving them looksing fairly
>human still, if desired.

My group's always played it that the subject kept all his/her internal
organs. He/she could keep an external layer of skin, adipose tissue, and
external genitalia and have up to 4 points of "soft" armor. Higher rated
soft armor, or any level of the hardened variety meant losing the skin and
genitals. The subject is then assumed to have a "waste disposal" port and a
drekky sex life. Ladies with a cybertorso should take steps to avoid
pregnancy. The cybertorso doesn't appear to have any way to expand with a
fetus, especially if there is armor...

Hedley
Message no. 9
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:21:15 GMT
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:20:57 +0100, Barbie wrote:

> At 11-Dez-97 wrote Simon T. Sailer:
>
> >Hi everyone...
>
> >There is a certain delicate question has been bugging me for a quite
> >long time... I don't think it has been discussed before, but if I'm
> >wrong, well, sorry.
> >When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
> >removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
> >metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered
> >by a metal plate that can be removed on demand? (really nice thought)
> >If I look at the picture, I'd vote for option 1, but that surely had
> >some impact on the characters further life...
>
> Hihihi, very nice question........
> How about an design option for Cybertorsos?
> 1. without, no extra cost.
> 2. Metall ones :) 5000-Y-
> 2a. usefull +5000-Y- 0.1 Essence for females, 0.25 essence for males.
> 3. removeable plate(s) 1000-Y-

Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
you go on a run?

These questions need answers!!!



James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
"http://www.prosperoimaging.com/ground_zero";

Money talks... it usually says "bend over"...
Message no. 10
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:55:54 +0100
At 12-Dez-97 wrote James Lindsay:


>Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
>come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
>easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
>you go on a run?

>These questions need answers!!!

Yep, they definetly need answers!!!

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Message no. 11
From: Deosyne <deosyne@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:44:29 -0500
> At 12-Dez-97 wrote James Lindsay:
>
>
> >Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso?
Does it
> >come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it
"waldoed" for
> >easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant
other" when
> >you go on a run?
>
> >These questions need answers!!!
>

There was something in CP2020 that seems like what you're looking for.
I think it was called the Mr. Studd Implant or some such... it's been a
few years since I had the books. Write it up and submit it to the
Archive. :)

Shawn, feeling somewhat perverse for some reason.

_____________________________________________________________________

That which does not kill me has made a big friggin' mistake.
Message no. 12
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:12:14 -0700
At 10:44 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>There was something in CP2020 that seems like what you're looking for.
>I think it was called the Mr. Studd Implant or some such... it's been a
>few years since I had the books. Write it up and submit it to the
>Archive. :)

Actually, that was converted in one of the older Plastic Warrior books, but
my binders are all over the place, so I'm not going to rummage around and
find it.. Running Gear, methinks.

-Adam J
Who just finished re-installing, yes, you guessed it, Win95!

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Message no. 13
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:22:17 +0100
> I was always under the impression, from the illustration in CT, that the
> cybertorso and cyberskull shown were designed such that they could be done
> underneath the character's original skin, leaving them looksing fairly
> human still, if desired. That being said, I would think that you could
> keep your genitalia, though some minor tweaking might be in order to keep
> it.... functioning properly. Unfortunately, that is one of the most vague
> entries in CT, and one of the entries that definitely needed a lot of
> explanation.
>
> losthalo

I dont think we can hope for some 'official answers' on this topic...
Fasa seems to be a bit strange about genitals and all related
topics... I suppose thats the only reason why the cybertorso picture
is... incomplete. It just would not have been appropriate to openly
picture genitals in a fasa sourcebook. (not that I am complaining
about it...)

ss
Message no. 14
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:25:00 +0100
> My group's always played it that the subject kept all his/her internal
> organs. He/she could keep an external layer of skin, adipose tissue, and
> external genitalia and have up to 4 points of "soft" armor. Higher rated
> soft armor, or any level of the hardened variety meant losing the skin and
> genitals. The subject is then assumed to have a "waste disposal" port and a
> drekky sex life. Ladies with a cybertorso should take steps to avoid
> pregnancy. The cybertorso doesn't appear to have any way to expand with a
> fetus, especially if there is armor...
>
> Hedley

Interesting point... Indeed, pregnancy seems to be impossible for
women with cybertorsos, so consequently there is no need for inner
genitals. Leaving the outer ones in place can't be that difficult for
a surgeon...
Message no. 15
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:29:13 +0100
> Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
> come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
> easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
> you go on a run?
>
> James W. Lindsay

Noooo... At at certain location of the human body where sensual
perception is especially important, metal won't do you any good...
I'd opt for the bioware augmentations... they are even mentioned in a
SR-novel, cant remember which one right now... But I think it was one
with Samuel Verner...

ss
Message no. 16
From: Fredrik Lindblom <fredrik.lindblom@******.KALMAR.SE>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:01:20 +0100
At 22:44 1997-12-11 -0500, you wrote:
>> At 12-Dez-97 wrote James Lindsay:
>>
>>
>> >Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso?
<snip>

>There was something in CP2020 that seems like what you're looking for.
>I think it was called the Mr. Studd Implant or some such...

Yep! Mr. Studd it was. Don't think it was detachable though. (yech!) I
remember the quote that goes with it too:

"All night, every night, and she'll never know!"


:-P

/FL
Message no. 17
From: Sean Thurston <steiner@****.SPYDERNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:03:13 -0800
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, James Lindsay wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:20:57 +0100, Barbie wrote:
> > At 11-Dez-97 wrote Simon T. Sailer:
> > >When a cybertorso is implanted, are the characters genitals just
> > >removed as the picture in cybertech implies? Are they repaced by
> > >metal (nice thought), or are they left where they are, just covered

> > How about an design option for Cybertorsos?
>
> Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
> come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
> easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
> you go on a run?
>
> These questions need answers!!!

I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for someone to ask about:

MILITARY SURPLUS

For a great many years now, the UCAS (and other) military has
been stockpiling and selling this particular piece of cyberwear as
somewhat unnecessary and generally in bad taste (they love it.)

Just ask your local Lieutenant, who didn't have the balls for it
in the first place!

sean.

"Intruder on Level One, all Aliens please proceed to Level One."
-Cole (Winona Ryder), Alien Resurrection
Message no. 18
From: Sean Thurston <steiner@****.SPYDERNET.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:10:47 -0800
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Simon T. Sailer wrote:

> Interesting point... Indeed, pregnancy seems to be impossible for
> women with cybertorsos, so consequently there is no need for inner
> genitals. Leaving the outer ones in place can't be that difficult for
> a surgeon...

On a more serious note, i gave this some contemplation myself,
and I believe that cyber-genetalia would be available to that small
clientle who looked for it. Especially the female. Certain tastes are
most likely in fashion in the 2050's that take advantage of such
technology.
The first introduction was a creative choice in assination.
Guess what they can shape C-12 as nowadays... Now imagine a
friction-based activator, and armoured female cyber pelvis. Childish,
yes, but entertaining in its own way.

Any market for functioning, biological parts would be covered by
cloning (an interesting challenge, can you clone eggs like that?), and/or
biotechnology. Although fertilizer aquisition and other internal
augmentations do become a possibility for the creative GM and/or
Corporate CEO.

sean, less sick than some, sicker than most.

"Intruder on Level One, all Aliens please proceed to Level One."
-Cole (Winona Ryder), Alien Resurrection
Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:53:29 +0100
Frank Pelletier said on 14:25/11 Dec 97...

> Hmm... For one, I think cyber-torsos were placed "under" the skin, like
> the cyberskull

My idea as well. One thing that bothers me about the cybertorso, though,
is that it seems to have no place for all the vital organs that are stored
so nicely inside a natural torso. I'd expect a cybertorso to be more of a
replacement ribcage (as per Syndicate) than having plating across the
stomach and everything. Not to mention that women with a cybertorso can
forget about ever having children, even after the genetalia problem has
been solved.

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Message no. 20
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:18:58 -0000
>Not to mention that women with a cybertorso can
>forget about ever having children, even after the genetalia >problem has
>been solved.



Sorry to mention this, but...

How exactly are you supposed to breathe if the plates can't expand????


Also, the picture is IMO a male. The plate there is to stop shrapnel/bullets
getting to 'esential' organs, so you just keep ole' laddie boy outside there
if your a male and if your a lil' lady then i guess those plates would be on
the inside.

Thats my take.


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Message no. 21
From: Adam Treloar <guardian@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:37:33 +1100
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Simon.M wrote:

> Sorry to mention this, but...
>
> How exactly are you supposed to breathe if the plates can't expand????

With an artificial diaphram that cycles air into and out of your lungs,
with the plate big enough to hold hold your lungs at full capacity. It'd
look like you were always holding your breath, tho. If you wanted the
natural look, then you'd have a problem, true.

Guardian

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Message no. 22
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:07:07 +0000
On 12 Dec 97, Gurth disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

> My idea as well. One thing that bothers me about the cybertorso,
> though, is that it seems to have no place for all the vital organs
> that are stored so nicely inside a natural torso. I'd expect a
> cybertorso to be more of a replacement ribcage (as per Syndicate)
> than having plating across the stomach and everything. Not to
> mention that women with a cybertorso can forget about ever having
> children, even after the genetalia problem has been solved.

Actually, they can have children, with artificial insemination and
placing of the inseminated egg in another "carrier".

Loads of trouble, though. OTOH, you don't have to go through all the
pains and trouble of pregnancy... Cute, neh?


Leszek Karlik, aka Mike - trrkt@*****.onet.pl; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike;
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Message no. 23
From: Hedley <hedley@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:20:32 -0600
Simon.M Said on 12/12/97 at 00:27hrs

>How exactly are you supposed to breathe if the plates can't expand????


I've always assumed that there was enough flexibility to move and breath,
but not enough to accomodate a full term pregnancy.

Hedley
Message no. 24
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:28:04 -0500
James Lindsay[SMTP:jlindsay@******.CA] wrote:
> Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
> come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
> easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
> you go on a run?
>
> These questions need answers!!!

ROTFL!

Well, you've come to the right place, sir. Hi, I'm Richard
Long, and I'm the president of "Foo-Foo For You". We're in
the business of restoring or enhancing the abilities of your
special little friend.

You may ask, "Is it expensive"? Well, let me ask you, how
important is the happiness of your significant other? How
far would you go to ensure that your comforting presence
would always be near? With our latest model, the Foo-Foo
2000, you can go as far as you like.

<RL waves at various phallus lying on the table before him>

We stock variations in all shapes, sizes, colours and textures,
or we can have one custom molded to *your* specifications.
For only 2000=Y=, we can get your John Thomas standing tall
again. For an extra 1500=Y=, we can provide you with a
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Imagine, no more lying awake nights, wondering if your wife
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That's right. Our scientists have just come up with a whole
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materials, and is constructed with the highest possible quality.
Run - don't walk to a cyber-clinic near you!

And remember, I'm not only the president, I'm also a client.

<One of the Foo-Foo 2200s on the table turns to point directly
at the camera>

<fade to black>


:-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 25
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:36:38 GMT
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:44:29 -0500, Deosyne wrote:

> > At 12-Dez-97 wrote James Lindsay:
> >
> >
> > >Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso?
> Does it
> > >come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it
> "waldoed" for
> > >easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant
> other" when
> > >you go on a run?
> >
> > >These questions need answers!!!
>
>
> There was something in CP2020 that seems like what you're looking for.
> I think it was called the Mr. Studd Implant or some such... it's been a
> few years since I had the books. Write it up and submit it to the
> Archive. :)

A "Mr. Studd Cyber Foo-Foo"? A worthwhile write-up may require a warning
for younger readers-- trust me. I am quite probably the *only* Shadowrun
player that ever played an augmented tri-vid "pornostar" in a SR campaign
(based on a home-brewed Crocodile metahuman, no less). It's a l-o-n-g
story :)



James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
"http://www.prosperoimaging.com/ground_zero";

Money talks... it usually says "bend over"...
Message no. 26
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:37:15 GMT
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:29:13 +0100, Simon T. Sailer wrote:

> > Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso?
Does it
> > come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed"
for
> > easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other"
when
> > you go on a run?
> >
> > James W. Lindsay
>
> Noooo... At at certain location of the human body where sensual
> perception is especially important, metal won't do you any good...
> I'd opt for the bioware augmentations...

Ah, but will it light up like a Christmas tree when you want it to? Could
it double as a microphone? Could it some day replace either the "Tickle Me
Elmo" or "Interactive Talking Barney"? I thought not.

:P



James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
"http://www.prosperoimaging.com/ground_zero";

Money talks... it usually says "bend over"...
Message no. 27
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:38 -0500
James Lindsay[SMTP:jlindsay@******.CA] wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:29:13 +0100, Simon T. Sailer wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the
torso? Does
it
> > > come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it
"waldoed"
for
> > > easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant
other"
when
> > > you go on a run?

(All of these were answered by my "Foo-Foo 2000" post... :-) )

> > Noooo... At at certain location of the human body where sensual
> > perception is especially important, metal won't do you any good...
> > I'd opt for the bioware augmentations...

OK, so CyberPirates doesn't have a peg-Foo-Foo. Cyber can have
feedback, though...

> Ah, but will it light up like a Christmas tree when you want it to? Could

Well, you could make a special order.

> it double as a microphone? Could it some day replace either the "Tickle Me

The Foo-Foo 2200 will.

> Elmo" or "Interactive Talking Barney"? I thought not.

The Foo-Foo 2200 won't talk, but I don't think you'll find any
piece of cyberwear that is *more* interactive. And the tickling
is up to the client... :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 28
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:33:10 -0000
>Imagine, no more lying awake nights, wondering if your wife
>is having an affair with your neighbour. Now you can know.
>That's right. Our scientists have just come up with a whole
>new range of experiences. With the wonders of modern technology,
>we have taken the Foo-Foo 2000 and produced the Foo-Foo 2200 -
>capable of movement, visual *and* auditory feedback. Total
>comfort and peace of mind, and for only 10,000=Y=.



I hope for all humanitys sakes that your never EVER end up in a position of
high power.

;- )
Message no. 29
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:34:59 -0000
>With an artificial diaphram that cycles air into and out of your lungs,
>with the plate big enough to hold hold your lungs at full capacity. It'd
>look like you were always holding your breath, tho. If you wanted the
>natural look, then you'd have a problem, true.


But i was under the impresion that you'd keep your own internal organs?
Otherwise couldn't you get mods like internal air tank for no ess?
Message no. 30
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:37:57 -0000
>>How exactly are you supposed to breathe if the plates can't expand????
>
>
>I've always assumed that there was enough flexibility to move and breath,
>but not enough to accomodate a full term pregnancy.


Well, in that case i guess it's be able to get a mod to at least let them
expand when your with kids. Birth would have to be sez' though because i
doubt a kid has more that 3M stun on the way out(well, maybe more to mummy)
and thats not gonna get through the armour plates!
Message no. 31
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:06:19 EST
> >new range of experiences. With the wonders of modern technology,
> >we have taken the Foo-Foo 2000 and produced the Foo-Foo 2200 -
> >capable of movement, visual *and* auditory feedback. Total
> >comfort and peace of mind, and for only 10,000=Y=.
>
> I hope for all humanitys sakes that your never EVER end up in a
> position of high power.

I hope for MY sake he does. This is going to a special place on my
harddrive. The "Future Blackmail" directory. (Not to mention the
really great humor directory)

-=SwiftOne=-
(that's right Mr. President. I _KNOW_ about the Foo-Foo!)
Message no. 32
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:07:30 EST
> A "Mr. Studd Cyber Foo-Foo"? A worthwhile write-up may require a
> warning for younger readers-- trust me. I am quite probably the
> *only* Shadowrun player that ever played an augmented tri-vid
> "pornostar" in a SR campaign (based on a home-brewed Crocodile
> metahuman, no less). It's a l-o-n-g story :)

"Long" story. I get it.
Gwarf-hahah.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 33
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:11:59 EST
> OK, so CyberPirates doesn't have a peg-Foo-Foo. Cyber can have
> feedback, though...

Anyone Ever read "Elric at the End of Time?" Theres a story in there
where Moorcock (Oddly appropriate name for this instance) makes fun
of his own writing style....

(Mild Spoilers below if you are at all interested in that story)














That's enough.

Anyway, this hero walks the land, with most of his body mangled and
later replaced by something else. One foot, a hand, both eyes, and
ear, etc. Anyway, he comes upon this cottage, where there is this
lonely young woman. Sparks fly, and by nightfall they're stripping
down. She notices something. He explains how he was cruelly injured
and only saved by an old man on some distant mountain range. The old
man created the replacement. Her question: Did it have to be
sandstone?

-=SwiftOne=-
(*Wince*)
Message no. 34
From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:58:15 +0000
On 12 Dec 97 at 8:29, Simon T. Sailer wrote:

[cyber-genitals]

> Noooo... At at certain location of the human body where sensual
> perception is especially important, metal won't do you any good...
> I'd opt for the bioware augmentations... they are even mentioned in a
> SR-novel, cant remember which one right now... But I think it was one
> with Samuel Verner...

IIRC, it was a Striper novel (the second one, I think). The chippy-exec had
one of these.


Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 35
From: losthalo <losthalo@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:16:36 -0500
At 11:53 AM 12/12/97 +0100, you wrote:
Not to mention that women with a cybertorso can
>forget about ever having children, even after the genetalia problem has
>been solved.

Well, I can't really think that someone interested in replacing the
majority of their body with metal and plastic (let's face it, if you go the
cybertorso/skull route, you're prolly also looking at limbs, too) is
interested in a normal social life or raising a family.


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4h7sM8zSsYnk6BSMmpFNN0393NRfmSLusOH1Whileyouarelisteningyourwillingat
tentionismakingyoumoreandmoreintothepersonyouwanttobecome
Message no. 36
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:39:07 +0000
In article <3.0.5.32.19971212090120.007c0430@********.kalmar.se>,
Fredrik Lindblom <fredrik.lindblom@******.KALMAR.SE> writes
>Yep! Mr. Studd it was. Don't think it was detachable though. (yech!) I
>remember the quote that goes with it too:
>
>"All night, every night, and she'll never know!"

Can it be adapted for a forehead mount? (to inflict on a captured foe,
thus rendering the appelation "dickhead" fearfully appropriate)
--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 37
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:36:35 +0000
In article <3.0.3.16.19971211195604.2fafe4f2@**********.com>, losthalo
<losthalo@********.COM> writes
>Well, I can't really think that someone interested in replacing the
>majority of their body with metal and plastic (let's face it, if you go the
>cybertorso/skull route, you're prolly also looking at limbs, too) is
>interested in a normal social life or raising a family.

Most of my cybered characters won't even get orthoskin. If you need more
armour, wear more armour, but they tend to value their sex lives too
much to get dermal plating or orthoskin :)


--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 38
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:39:10 -0700
Paul J. Adam wrote:
/
/ In article <3.0.5.32.19971212090120.007c0430@********.kalmar.se>,
/ Fredrik Lindblom <fredrik.lindblom@******.KALMAR.SE> writes
/ >Yep! Mr. Studd it was. Don't think it was detachable though. (yech!) I
/ >remember the quote that goes with it too:
/ >
/ >"All night, every night, and she'll never know!"
/
/ Can it be adapted for a forehead mount? (to inflict on a captured foe,
/ thus rendering the appelation "dickhead" fearfully appropriate)

ROTFLOL!

-David
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep."
--
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
Message no. 39
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:05:58 -0500
>A "Mr. Studd Cyber Foo-Foo"? A worthwhile write-up may require a warning
>for younger readers-- trust me. I am quite probably the *only* Shadowrun
>player that ever played an augmented tri-vid "pornostar" in a SR campaign
>(based on a home-brewed Crocodile metahuman, no less). It's a l-o-n-g
>story :)


Do tell we've got the time.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"I am telling you nothing - merely asking you to remember that death come in
many shades. Some are harsh and infinitely painful to look upon; others can be
as peaceful and beautiful as the setting sun. I am an artist, and many colors
lie on upon my palette. Let me paint him a rainbow, and give you the means to
decide where it ends."

Erik from the book Phantom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 40
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:20:27 +0100
> The first introduction was a creative choice in assination.
> Guess what they can shape C-12 as nowadays... Now imagine a
> friction-based activator, and armoured female cyber pelvis.
> Childish, yes, but entertaining in its own way.
>
> sean, less sick than some, sicker than most.

If you are serious on this one...

Why using something as loud and dangerous as explosives... A simple
high-volt electrical shock would much more convenient... (ouch)

ss
Message no. 41
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:26:49 +0100
> Ah, but will it light up like a Christmas tree when you want it to?
> Could it double as a microphone? Could it some day replace either
> the "Tickle Me Elmo" or "Interactive Talking Barney"? I thought
> not. :P

> James W. Lindsay

Ok, have to admit that I didn't take that into consideration... If
these things are your major concern, go for the metal... ;)

ss
Message no. 42
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:43:33 +0100
> >Not to mention that women with a cybertorso can
> >forget about ever having children, even after the genetalia >problem has
> >been solved.
>
> Sorry to mention this, but...
> How exactly are you supposed to breathe if the plates can't expand????

I'd say the torso's muscles are replaced by artificial ones, but they
still exist, so it should be possible to move the now artificial
ribcage. And the diapragm should be still there which should
easily suffice for breathing.
On top of that, the torso has to be flexible for other reasons,too...
It is designed as combat cyberware, and in combat you have to be
flexible,fast and maneuverable... with a stiff ribcage, you couldn't
pick up something from the ground without a effort...

ss
Message no. 43
From: Les Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:47:46 -0500
James Lindsay[SMTP:jlindsay@******.CA] wrote:
> Hmmm... Can I get *just* the cyber "foo-foo" and forget the torso? Does it
> come with an Autopilot? How 'bout a remote control? Is it "waldoed" for
> easy removal so you can leave it at home with your "significant other" when
> you go on a run?

"If you need this, it'll be in my purse, or in the refrigerator."
Message no. 44
From: Mike and Jill Johnson <shadowrn@************.NET>
Subject: Re: Cybertorso and genitals
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:09:54 -0700
At 10:12 PM 12/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>-Adam J
>Who just finished re-installing, yes, you guessed it, Win95!
>

It isn't a regular day at work if I don't have to reinstall windows 95 at
least once.


MnJ

Micron Tech Support Rep Supreme....

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