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Message no. 1
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:40:23 -0600
I was thinking the other day...well yesterday to be exact. When the game
starts and a character decides to get some cyberware added how does the
essence cost come in to play? I mean the street doc wouldn't say that will
be 20,000 nuyen and .75 essence. So how would the character actually know
if he could take an implant that was .75 essence loss until it was to late?
I actually think that would be interesting. He wants that smartlink so
bad but he spent most of his essence during creation on Wired Reflexes and
other junk so when he gets the smartlink his essence becomes 0 and he kills
over. OR they have to perform some of that Cyber Magic voodoo crap that is
mentioned in the Cybertechnology book on him before he dies.

Ok...maybe I should not think about SR to hard when I am sitting on the
"ceramic throne" even though I do most of my best thinking there. :)

Ed
Message no. 2
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:46:17 -0500
Ed wrote:
> I was thinking the other day...well yesterday to be exact. When the game
> starts and a character decides to get some cyberware added how does the
> essence cost come in to play? I mean the street doc wouldn't say that
> will
> be 20,000 nuyen and .75 essence. So how would the character actually know
> if he could take an implant that was .75 essence loss until it was to
> late?
>
Well, the doctor would have an idea of what impact various bits of
cyber have on the human body - heck, they might even *have* a rating
scale. From a magical point of view, a good mage can take a look and
say how much essence somebody has, so you could also build a scale
based on that.

> I actually think that would be interesting. He wants that smartlink so
> bad but he spent most of his essence during creation on Wired Reflexes and
> other junk so when he gets the smartlink his essence becomes 0 and he
> kills
> over. OR they have to perform some of that Cyber Magic voodoo crap that is
> mentioned in the Cybertechnology book on him before he dies.
>
First off, cybermancy is *top* secret stuff. They wouldn't do it just
to keep somebody from dying if they goofed up - cybermancy is something
you *plan* to do.

Second, I recall reading somewhere that if the surgery roll ended up
with the implant costing more essence that the character has left,
they don't install the cyber and the character lives.

James Ojaste
Message no. 3
From: Ed <equine@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:22:19 -0600
At 03:46 PM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, the doctor would have an idea of what impact various bits of
>cyber have on the human body - heck, they might even *have* a rating
>scale. From a magical point of view, a good mage can take a look and
>say how much essence somebody has, so you could also build a scale
>based on that.

Ok so if the doctor did some kind of diagnosis on the patient before hand
he would probably not do the operation in fear of killing his client. I
guess that would make sense. Then again if he is a bad doctor and ask for
some of the money up front he might not care.


>First off, cybermancy is *top* secret stuff. They wouldn't do it just
>to keep somebody from dying if they goofed up - cybermancy is something
>you *plan* to do.

Ahh...so they would say...OOPS...and then watch the guy on the table die.
Even if it was a highly respectable place?

Ed
Message no. 4
From: "Carlton B. Davis" <davisc74@***.ACS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:34:37 -0600
On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Ed wrote:

> Ahh...so they would say...OOPS...and then watch the guy on the table die.
> Even if it was a highly respectable place?
>
> Ed
>
Considering that there are only supposed to be 3 places in the world
capable of performing cybermancy, they probably would end up either
letting the guy die, or refusing to install it in the first place. If
they happened to be at one of those three places, and had the cash/pull to
get it done, maybe they would be cybermancied, but considering the costs,
it is very unlikely.
Message no. 5
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:49:40 -0500
Ed wrote:
> >First off, cybermancy is *top* secret stuff. They wouldn't do it just
> >to keep somebody from dying if they goofed up - cybermancy is something
> >you *plan* to do.
>
> Ahh...so they would say...OOPS...and then watch the guy on the table die.
> Even if it was a highly respectable place?
>
a) They don't have to kill the patient - they can abort the implant
before it gets to that stage (it's in one of the books - I forget which)

b) By top secret, I mean that there are only a few places that even
*know* how to do it - and they aren't exactly respectable (Aztech,
highly respectable? Ha! They're as likely to kill the guy for fun!)

c) Let me rephrase my sentence - "cybermancy is something that you need
to *plan* to do, it's not something you can just do on the fly". Think
many massive rituals...

James Ojaste
Message no. 6
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Cyberware and essence lost
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:54:40 -0600
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> From: Ojaste,James [NCR] <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
>
> b) By top secret, I mean that there are only a few places that even
> *know* how to do it - and they aren't exactly respectable (Aztech,
> highly respectable? Ha! They're as likely to kill the guy for fun!)

That is a blatant lie and you know it, James! They would never kill
someone for fun! They'd do it to summon a blood spirit...

Nexx

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