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Message no. 1
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:33:46 -0500
OK,

so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?

what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?

What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?


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Message no. 2
From: Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:42:13 -0800
At 16:33 7/9/97 -0500, Jaymz wrote:
>so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?
>
>what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?
>
>What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?

You may be interested in a page I have on this topic at
http://www.amurgsval.org/shadowrun/humanity.html ; there's an
interesting system at http://www.albany.net/~geenius/sanity.html as well.

--
%% Max Rible %% slothman@*****.com %% http://www.amurgsval.org/~slothman/ %%
%% "So, an Arisian, a Vorlon, and a knnn go into a tavern..." %%
Message no. 3
From: Shergold <shergold@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:11:31 -0400
Jaymz wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?
>
> what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?
>
> What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?
>

Well I have a Sam with 0 essence and 6 B.I., she manages to hold it
together most of the time, but when under stress, she freaks out a little.
She somewhat hair trigger in the respect that she'll punch, shoot, chop,
etc. if startled the wrong way. Ususally she's kinda cold and under extreme
emontional wraps, trys not to get too emotional as bad things tend to
happen.
Long term effects is up to you and the GM, you in the respect of your
roleplaying abilities with regards to how the cyber affects the character's
mind, your GM in how it affects the body.
One thing that helped me with that character was the Hatchetman's <sp?> in
the beginning with Cybertech with regards to roleplaying. One note if the
cyber was recently required, bitch and moan about how hard it was the
relearn how to move and the way the world is now perceived, esp. with cyber
eyes. My character started off w/ the 0 essence at the beginning of the
game, but she didn't willingly choose all the cyber and stuff dropped into
her body, so affects her world view. When she was asked about why she
didn't get it removed is that it would take to long to get re-ajusted to a
normal meat body besides the extremely high cost of getting it removed and
essence reclaimation (if your GM allows it of course).
Hope my rambling helped.

SilverFire

"I merely chewed in self-defense."

-Draco the Dragon
"Dragonheart"
Message no. 4
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:17:03 +0000
> so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?
>
> what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?
>
> What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?

Well, if he has some Reaction/Initiative modifiers he may be prone to
some very instinctive reactions, like shooting someone who sneaks up
behind him and tapping on his shoulder. He may also appear to be cold
and distanced to the 'normal' people, because he sees the world in
another, more distanced way through his Cybereyes (if he has any).
Lastly the effects on the body are not that much, there are some good
Immuno-Supressors around by now, maybe he is a bit more prone to
diseases (by the Immuno-Supressors) or Cancer (I know it's from the
Cybertech for those Cybermancy Soldiers, but you can use it
nonetheless <EGMG>)
That's all I can think of at the moment...
--Raven



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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:58:29 +0100
Jaymz said on 16:33/ 9 Jul 97...

> so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?

The same way you normally play him. It's mostly the GM who has to keep in
mind peoples' reactions to someone who moves twice as fast as others, and
has half his visible flesh replaced by metal and plastic.

> what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?
>
> What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?

None that we know of. Cyberpsychosis doesn't exist in SR *chants to self
"Don't start that thread! Don't start that thread!"* and really the only
effect we know of is that people close to or at 0 Essence "walk the edge
of sanity" without further explanation.

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Message no. 6
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:41:08 +0000
Gurth spoke wisely
> None that we know of. Cyberpsychosis doesn't exist in SR *chants to self
> "Don't start that thread! Don't start that thread!"*

Do you think this will help????
Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)

(Raven, donning his Asbestos Underwear(TM?), resuplying his
carp-shelter and hides in it)
--Raven



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Message no. 7
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:15:38 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-10 03:14:05 EDT, slothman@*********.ORG (Max Rible)
writes:

> >so what's the best way role play a sammie with .6 essence?
> >
> >what sorts of effects on him can realistically be expected?
> >
> >What long-term effects does this have on a body and psyche?
>
> You may be interested in a page I have on this topic at
> http://www.amurgsval.org/shadowrun/humanity.html ; there's an
> interesting system at http://www.albany.net/~geenius/sanity.html as well.
>
> --
> %% Max Rible %% slothman@*****.com %%
Really Max...I think -I- would like to as well...(pondering) Humanity eh? As
in a seperate attribute perhaps? Sounds familiar...
-K
Message no. 8
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:27:10 -0500
You wrote:
> Gurth spoke wisely
> > None that we know of. Cyberpsychosis doesn't exist in SR *chants to self
> > "Don't start that thread! Don't start that thread!"*

> Do you think this will help????
> Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)
No flames here. I think some description of the mental effects of cyberware
(originally Essence loss was attributes to the impact on the nervous system by
implanted systems) would be good in SR3, if only for clarity. Personally I
figure moderate to gigh amounts of cyber should have some personality effects
(cf. the monologue about cyber in Cybertechnology).

losthalo
Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:04:17 +0100
Raven said on 22:41/10 Jul 97...

> Gurth spoke wisely
> > None that we know of. Cyberpsychosis doesn't exist in SR *chants to self
> > "Don't start that thread! Don't start that thread!"*
>
> Do you think this will help????

Not really, but you don't know until you try it...

> Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)

I surely don't. I agree with Rat that there's no realistic reason why
people should start behaving violently due to cyberware implants...

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Forget about the ones who "have it all."
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 10
From: "... ..." <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:28:08 -1000
>who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR?
Nope.
>Can't see a realistic reason for it
Extensive headware, maybe second hand...
Ever see the movie "Body Parts"? I think that's the one where the guy
tries to put himself back together...
Message no. 11
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:43:11 +0100
In message <199707102004.WAA22616@******.scc.uni-weimar.de>, Raven
<florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE> writes
>Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)

Deep in the murky waters, the mighty vessel stirs...

"Sonar, new target, designate as Sierra-31! Target is deploying a
hazardous discussion thread!"

"Sound Action Stations. Weapons, load tubes one and three. Helm, turn to
three three zero, bring us to periscope depth, ahead one-thirds."

"Helm, course now three three zero, sixty feet, twelve knots and
slowing."

"Weapons, we have Carpfish loaded in tubes one and three."

"Sonar, we have a shooting solution on Sierra-31. Confirm deployment of
a cyberpsychosis thread."

"Up scope. Confirm Sierra-31 on bearing three three zero. Range... mark.
My God... he'll ask about grounding next." The captain shudders. "We
have to stop him, _now_! Weapons, solution set?"

"Weapons: tubes one and three preset, Carpfish ready in all regards."

"Flood tubes one and three. Down scope. Five degrees down-angle on the
bow planes. Ahead two-thirds." A quiet cacophony of confirmation as the
orders are carried out.

"Weapons, tubes one and three flooded, shutters open."

"Sonar, the target is beginning evasive action."

"Too late. Match bearings... Fire one. Fire three!"

"Weapons, one and three running normally and completing forerun. Both
weapons have the target and are in acquisition."

"Time to impact?"

"Any time... _now_!"

TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W AAAA PPPPP !!!
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W A A PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WW W AA AA PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WWWW W AAAAAA PPPPP !!!
TT HH HH WWW W W AA AA PP
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!

"Sonar, I confirm a weapon impact on Sierra-31!"


TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W AAAA PPPPP !!!
TTTTTTTT HH HH W WW W A A PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WW W AA AA PP PP !!!
TT HHHHHHHH W WWWW W AAAAAA PPPPP !!!
TT HH HH WWW W W AA AA PP
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!
TT HH HH WW WW AA AA PP !!!

"Sonar, I have two weapon impacts on the target."

"Weapons. Two solid hits, both Carpfish got him dead centre."

"Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
Stations..."

The leviathan resumes its patrol.


--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 12
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:45:12 -0700
<snip>

| "Weapons. Two solid hits, both Carpfish got him dead centre."
|
| "Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
| Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
| Stations..."
|
| The leviathan resumes its patrol.

RFLOL...oh my I think i'm gonna cry LOL

Bravo Paul!!!!!! Very nice.

=)

-Caric

"Why is there no blue food!!!!"
-George Carlin
Message no. 13
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:12:46 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-11 05:38:05 EDT, florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE
(Raven) writes:

>
> Do you think this will help????
> Okay guys, who wants Cyberpsychosis in SR ;)
>
> (Raven, donning his Asbestos Underwear(TM?), resuplying his
> carp-shelter and hides in it)
> --Raven
>
Been there, done that....
-K (Flack Jacket Screens to Maximum Ensign Kirk!!!)
Message no. 14
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:34:32 +0000
<Snip Combat>

> "Monitor and report. Let's see if we killed that thread in time...
> Reload tubes one and three, just in case. Secure from Action
> Stations..."
<Raven laying low on ground and laughing to himself, cause he took
out Pauls Carps with his fish-egg-evasion-system, than thinking 'so
what about grounding now???'>

> The leviathan resumes its patrol.
Till I get on him again ;)

Raven-the-laying-low-and-covering-quite-quickly-Elven-Rigger
--Raven



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Message no. 15
From: "... ..." <Brother-1@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:29:19 -1000
>My god, he'll ask about grounding next...
ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!!
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:44:56 +0100
|
|>My god, he'll ask about grounding next...
|ROFLMAOKTDATPB!!!!!
|

?????? WTF ?????
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Message no. 17
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:47:37 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-12 17:06:57 EDT, shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul
J. Adam) writes:

>
> The leviathan resumes its patrol.
>
>
And the aircraft carrier "Spudzone" moves the other way...it was in
reserve...
-K
Message no. 18
From: Kim Christiansen <kimc@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:15:08 +0100
> From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
>
> In a message dated 97-07-12 17:06:57 EDT, shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK
(Paul
> J. Adam) writes:
>
> >
> > The leviathan resumes its patrol.
> >
> >
> And the aircraft carrier "Spudzone" moves the other way...it was in

um... I kinda liked the topic as is... could we get back to that subject so
I don't have to download 300 messages of wich half are OT,
Please and Thank You.

So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
via SR rules. I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
revenge on humanity??????????????

kim
Message no. 19
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:01:53 -0500
You wrote:
> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules. I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????
"Luke, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend on our point of
view."

losthalo
Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:30:07 +0100
Kim Christiansen said on 16:15/13 Jul 97...

> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules.

AFAIK, you don't.

> I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????

If you ask me, no. I don't believe that cyberpsychosis as CP2020
introduced it would happen to someone getting lots of cyberware. I'd
venture that the person you're referring to has either gone crazy through
"conventional" means, or was already a lunatic before he got the cyberware
installed (and what sane person would have major body parts removed to be
replaced by cyberware anyway?).

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
"Don't you ever wonder if you ARE wasting your life?"
"Only when I'm awake."
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 21
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: cyberware and it's effects on the psyche and body
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:07:15 +0000
On 13 Jul 97 at 16:15, Kim Christiansen wrote:

> So, on this topic, I just finished reading Never Deal With A Dragon again,
> and there was this dude named Radley in the book that was definite
> Cyber-Psychosis. He was flat out wacked. How do you fit that into the game
> via SR rules.

How do I fit it in? The guy is flat out whacked. It is a mental
condition and has nothing to do with cyberware. Are you saying that
only people with cyberware can lose their sanity? Of course not,
because it simply isn't true.

>I have a character in my game that unless his CyberWare wasn't
> Alpha grade, he'd be a cyberzombie. He played it cool, detached, not quite
> human. But would it manifest itself as a detachment from humanity or a
> revenge on humanity??????????????

Whatever way he, or any character, wants to play it.

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