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Message no. 1
From: Robert Hobson <cain@*****.NB.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:50:45 -0300
This question has likely all ready been asked but I'll ask it anyway

What is the power source for cyberware? I have not seen the answer in
any of the books.

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Message no. 2
From: Jeremy Smith <jsmith@*****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:25:55 -0500
Though it's never really admitted, a hampster
is implanted into the hosts body when cyberwear is inplanted.
The hampster runs around in a little wheel, which
is attached to a generator; hence, energy is produced.
*note this is the reason that one may take damage with a single
serious wound or deadly wound*

Hope I clearified things for you
(response to Rob's last post)

jeremy
Message no. 3
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 01:18:14 -0400
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Robert Hobson wrote:

> This question has likely all ready been asked but I'll ask it anyway
>
> What is the power source for cyberware? I have not seen the answer in
> any of the books.

Eight 'D' batteries. Or your characters can pick up the DC adapter for
=Y).95 that allows them to run it from their car's cigarette lighter.

=^)

--the holy Entombed--
rasputin@***.umd.edu
Rasputin the Goofy...
Message no. 4
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:04:14 +1000
Robert Hobson asked:

> What is the power source for cyberware? I have not seen the answer in
> any of the books.
>


Well, ignoring the funny replies ...

1) Most cyberware doesn't require much power; computing power will be
cheap and very low power. Assume memory storage needs almost no power.
2) Assume that there are tiny batteries or fuel cells that are very energy
dense, and are _very_ robust. And that they need recharging or
replacement only every other year or so.
3) If you're worrying about this, it may be because you're doing some
really creative plotting that requires this depth of detail; or it may
be that you're becoming bogged down in working out how the technology
works.

Hope that helps...

luke
Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:55 -0500
Actually, the official response from FASA regarding where cyber gets it's
power is "Who cares?"

GURPS Cyberpunk lists power packs that certain cyber must have and then
you purchase these "batteries" seperately. Some cyber is small enough to
be powered by natural body mechanics (like ears and eyes, for example).

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Message no. 6
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:24:03 -0400
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> Actually, the official response from FASA regarding where cyber gets it's
> power is "Who cares?"

I can dig this.

> GURPS Cyberpunk lists power packs that certain cyber must have and then
> you purchase these "batteries" seperately. Some cyber is small enough to
> be powered by natural body mechanics (like ears and eyes, for example).

Actually, you'd be surprised what natural body mechanics can do.
Even now, somebody (I forget which University) has developed a complex
synthetic fiber that contracts faster and more strongly than normal
muscle tissue for the same amount of current. Can we say "Muscle
Replacement?" And that technology is being perfected today. Imagine it
in 2053.
Alternatively, you could set up your battery packs so that they
were recharged by some common everyday motion, like walking. As you
walk, your own bodily motion recharges the battery, which in turn
delivers it to the cyberware on demand. Pretty wiz, neh?

Marc
Message no. 7
From: Jeremy Smith <jsmith@*****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:16:33 -0500
Hmm, battery packs for the cyber stuff would be feasable (sp?)
Also, consider just borrowing some of the body's own energy for
the gear.
With all the chemical/electrical reactions going on in the body,
i'm sure a little could be spared to run some measly equipment.
Of course, some cyberwear would naturally expent some of the
body's internal energy (like muscle aug.)
Oops, biowear...whatever.

Ahh, a question arises. If someone gets muscle replacement 4,
there's got to be some major energy producing going on.
Muscles added _throughout_ the body. So, would this
require the recipient to eat more than usual?

I would continue, but I really hate this mail editor (can't go up lines)

oh well, just a thought.

jeremy <---SAVE THE RAIN FORESTS...DON"T USE SIGS!
Message no. 8
From: King of Pain <mcgowan@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:36:11 -0400
Generally, cyberware such as wired, boosted, muscle replacement etc.
would rely upon the body of the person as a power source(there are many
reasons listed already, so i'm not gonna make up more). But remember,
some cyberware will absolutely NEED batteries or some organic
equivalent. Something along the lines of that lovely C2 you got in your
cranium, or those cyber eyes hooked up to your level 2 tactical
computer. In these cases you'll need some sort of power supply. If you
have a data jack, mebbe you can have an external power source plugged in
through that, but you need a power source other than the body, it just
doesn't have enough juice to power something like a computer.

Just some Food for Thought

RDM
Message no. 9
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:35:24 +1000
RDM writes:

[Stuff about some cyberware needing power]

Yeah, it'd be a bit hard to power a cyber limb from the electricity running
through a persons nervous system.

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Message no. 10
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 11:20:39 +0100
Robert Haydn wrote:
>
> Actually, the official response from FASA regarding where cyber gets it's
> power is "Who cares?"
>

!!!!!
!!!!!
!!!!!
<ack>
what!!!?
I'm speechless. Almost.
FASA just dropped another notch in my estimation.

It makes all the difference in the world, jeez, important things like
tactics and strategy could depend on it.
i.e. can a heavily cybered mercenary operate away from a power supply
for an extended period of time?

> GURPS Cyberpunk lists power packs that certain cyber must have and then
> you purchase these "batteries" seperately. Some cyber is small enough to
> be powered by natural body mechanics (like ears and eyes, for example).
>

Yep, I agree with that, eyes, ears, processers, probably reflex booster
can operate off devices that turn random body kinetic energy into
electrical power. Dermal plating, fixed spurs, etc don't need power.
Retractable spurs could divert mechanical energy from surrounding
muscles when needed. But what about muscle augmentation and bionic
limbs? These devices need significant power supplies.

GLO

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Message no. 11
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:54:31 +1000
GLO writes:

> !!!!!
> <ack>
> what!!!?
> I'm speechless. Almost.
> FASA just dropped another notch in my estimation.

Yep, thats right it's a "cinematic game".

> It makes all the difference in the world, jeez, important things like
> tactics and strategy could depend on it.
> i.e. can a heavily cybered mercenary operate away from a power supply
> for an extended period of time?

Well, not that it answers the question, but I would say yes.

> muscles when needed. But what about muscle augmentation and bionic
> limbs? These devices need significant power supplies.

The limbs yeah, but somebody posted not too long ago (like about 5-10
messages), that even nowadays they have synthetic fibres which will contract
more powerfully than human muscles, and do it on less electricity than human
muscles need to activate.

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Message no. 12
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:28:06 +0100
Damion wrote:
>
> The limbs yeah, but somebody posted not too long ago (like about 5-10
> messages), that even nowadays they have synthetic fibres which will contract
> more powerfully than human muscles, and do it on less electricity than human
> muscles need to activate.
>
Yeah, I saw that right after I posted :-)
I reckon I'll buy that explanation.

Now then, what about maintenance schedules for cyberware :-)

GLO

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Message no. 13
From: Stephane Lafrance <Stephane.Lafrance@***.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:03:25 EDT
----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------

Sent by:"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Actually, the official response from FASA regarding where cyber gets it's
power is "Who cares?"

=====================================================================
Yeah, who cares!? ;-)

That means: unless you're seriously wounded, nothing will stop
your cyber from working (save magic).

Now, for those who care, I saw in a book somewhere (no connection with
SR) that cyberware was powered by human energy. The high tech needs not
more energy than human organs. For those parts that needs more, like
cyberlimbs, there is small, limitless recharging batteries that can
give power for two or three days without beeing recharged. The recharging
is done continuously with human energy.

How it's done? I'm no electrical genius, but it would be something like
catching the electrical influx from the body. It could also be that there
is some nano-machines (nanites) that will transform nutrients, taken in
the blood, into energy, nourishing itself with it and giving the leftovers
to the batteries.

I hope the answer is satisfying.

Stephan
Message no. 14
From: Neil Smith <NSMITH@***.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:59:26 GMT
> It could also be that there
> is some nano-machines (nanites) that will transform nutrients, taken in
> the blood, into energy, nourishing itself with it and giving the leftovers
> to the batteries.
>
These energy-producing nanites are often called "Hamsters". 8->
Message no. 15
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:59:03 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Gareth Owen wrote:

> Robert Hayden wrote:
> >
> > Actually, the official response from FASA regarding where cyber gets it's
> > power is "Who cares?"
>
> <ack>
> what!!!?
> I'm speechless. Almost.
> FASA just dropped another notch in my estimation.

Okay, then, if you don't like FASA's idea (which honestly is good
enough for me, but then we're usually having too much fun playing to even
keep track of ammo -- we just buy lots, steal more whenever possible, and
ignore the numbers), how about having it run off of background radiation?
You know it'll be much higher in the 2050's than it is now....
Message no. 16
From: Stephane Lafrance <Stephane.Lafrance@***.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:10:06 EDT
----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------
Sent by:Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

Actually, you'd be surprised what natural body mechanics can do.
Even now, somebody (I forget which University) has developed a complex
synthetic fiber that contracts faster and more strongly than normal
muscle tissue for the same amount of current. Can we say "Muscle
Replacement?" And that technology is being perfected today. Imagine it
in 2053.
Alternatively, you could set up your battery packs so that they
were recharged by some common everyday motion, like walking. As you
walk, your own bodily motion recharges the battery, which in turn
delivers it to the cyberware on demand. Pretty wiz, neh?

Marc

=====================================================================
You know whats funny Marc, I just wrote something that could be
connected to your reply. But I didn't read it before writing it.
What I wrote was partially taken from a book and partially taken
from my mind. I didn't know there was really something that worked
with almost no energy. As you said, pretty wiz !!!

Stephan
Message no. 17
From: richard paul schuster <pshoe@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:50:30 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, King of Pain wrote:

> If you have a data jack, mebbe you can have an external power source
> plugged in through that, but you need a power source other than the
> body, it just doesn't have enough juice to power something like a computer.
>

Much less anything as complicated as the human mind! <:}

-Paul
Message no. 18
From: Chris Lubrecht <lubrecht@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 11:25:08 -0400
Here's an interesting thought.....

I heard/read somewhere (I think) that the human body generates a tiny
amount of electricity. Does this sound right? Anyone with A&P class or
pre med types know for sure? (Dont ask me, I'm a graduate English
student, I can write about the body, just do'nt ask me how it works <g> )

Nigel
Message no. 19
From: Jeff Norrell <norrell@*******.ME.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:50:22 +0600
What about slapping a bunch of solar panels on the guy's head?


Alright, alright... Just kidding (dodging the carp).......

-Blade
Message no. 20
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:01:04 +0100
This is my solution and it's based on nothing except what I thought at the
time.

Cyberware falls into two categories.

1) Low power

2) High power

Low power would include such things as eyes, wires <they're just nudging those
reflexes for you, not moving arms and legs>, datajacks, most headware except
telephones.

Highpower are things like cyber limbs, spurs or in essence anything that
actually moves or requires transmission capability.

Lower power devices come with embedded batteries which will last up to 200
years <this could cause problems for elves if they prove to have an elongated
life span>.

High power has small batteries inserted into the body and covered by plastic
skin.

Easy as that.

Phill.
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Message no. 21
From: Lisa Anne Rosochacki <rosochac@*******.MSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:21:23 -0400
>
>
>
>
> >in reply to Chris L.
>
> The body does produce a small electrical charge... yer entire body it run by
> small electrical charges on the cell membranes... they account for all cell
> processes and what not... You need these charges to move yer muscles and stuff

> too... and thoughts are sent via nerves with electrical impulses...
> Also one interesting thing I learned when I was working at the Cyclotron on
> campus, was that the body also generates radiation...I think it was around
> .3 mR <Milli REMS> I'm not sure... I do know that normal background atmos
> levels are around .2 mR
> Maybe Cyberware can harness the body radiation in some way for it's own
> use...ie... powering a small microprocessor... I dunno
>
>
> Lisa
> ...a very humble Medical Technology major
>
>
Message no. 22
From: Stephane Lafrance <Stephane.Lafrance@***.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:43:01 EDT
----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------

Sent by:Jeremy Smith <jsmith@*****.ORG>

Ahh, a question arises. If someone gets muscle replacement 4,
there's got to be some major energy producing going on.
Muscles added _throughout_ the body. So, would this
require the recipient to eat more than usual?
=====================================================================
I don't think so, if you read the mail concerning the experimental
fiber, it could be that it takes a lot less energy than normal tissues.
So, maybe, muscle replacement (4) would take the same amount of energy
as normal muscle. I suppose that cyberware was made to be energy
efficient (when possible, i.e. almost always).

Stephan
Message no. 23
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:44:15 -0500
> Actually, you'd be surprised what natural body mechanics can do.
>Even now, somebody (I forget which University) has developed a complex
>synthetic fiber that contracts faster and more strongly than normal
>muscle tissue for the same amount of current. Can we say "Muscle
>Replacement?" And that technology is being perfected today. Imagine it
>in 2053.

Remember, though, that the crash of 2029 (?) wiped out a lot of sensitive
data, stalling out the world's technological climb, so to speak.


Matt
Message no. 24
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:58:16 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Gareth Owen wrote:

> Now then, what about maintenance schedules for cyberware :-)

"Yep, gotta go into ol' Doc for a lube job and general overhaul.
Luckily, he has this deal where it gets done in under half an hour or you
get a 20% discount! Now that's service. Midas, eat your heart out!"

Marc (who has spent far too much time in class today)
Message no. 25
From: King of Pain <mcgowan@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:17:04 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, richard paul schuster wrote:

>
> Much less anything as complicated as the human mind! <:}
>
> -Paul
>
would YOU want to drain the electric potential buildup of the neurons in
YOUR brain?? can you say, slower thinking. I thought so. :) It is
possible to do that, but as i said, there will be a noticeable decrease
in intelligence(because hey, if the neurons don't reach the threshold,
they won't be firing:P). If you want to use the brain for your headware
powersource, just keep that in mind:)

RDM
Message no. 26
From: Hamish Laws <h_laws@**********.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:38:59 +1000
Gareth Owen writes
SNIP
>
>Now then, what about maintenance schedules for cyberware :-)
>
Real world people, and these are the professionals, are currently
talking/dreaming about making robots which will be carried around in the
blood stream and repair damage to us organics. If this is feasable all you
need is a couple of them to look after the cyberware and, unless it takes
serious damage you're fine.


********************************************************************************
If not for my strange rapport with my collection of singing potatoes I
would have lost my slender grip on reality
********************************************************************************

Hamish Laws
Message no. 27
From: Hamish Laws <h_laws@**********.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:43:08 +1000
>On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, King of Pain wrote:
>
>> If you have a data jack, mebbe you can have an external power source
>> plugged in through that, but you need a power source other than the
>> body, it just doesn't have enough juice to power something like a computer.
>>
>
Wouldn't the deck have it's own power supply so all the data jack
does is register instructions?
Skillchips could have built in batteries as well.


********************************************************************************
If not for my strange rapport with my collection of singing potatoes I
would have lost my slender grip on reality
********************************************************************************

Hamish Laws
Message no. 28
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:49:08 -0700
There are also small-diameter rotors (I misremember the size, but
smaller than the needlepoint of a pin) which can be used as AC Power
Converters. One could emplace a series of them on a chip, say, and run a
microprocessor off of air currents.
There's a reference in Scientific American, if someone wants me
to dig it up (I am not going to repost the article).

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Message no. 29
From: richard paul schuster <pshoe@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:19:58 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, King of Pain wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, richard paul schuster wrote:
>
> >
> > Much less anything as complicated as the human mind! <:}
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> would YOU want to drain the electric potential buildup of the neurons in
> YOUR brain?? can you say, slower thinking. I thought so. :) It is
> possible to do that, but as i said, there will be a noticeable decrease
> in intelligence(because hey, if the neurons don't reach the threshold,
> they won't be firing:P). If you want to use the brain for your headware
> powersource, just keep that in mind:)
>
> RDM
>
um...correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the human brain
function at something like 25% capacity? If so, doesn't it follow that
there is, or was (potentially untapped) a source of power for the
remaining 75%? And if we're not using it now...

-Paul
Message no. 30
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:10:11 -0400
>>>>> "richard" == richard paul schuster
<pshoe@*****.UMICH.EDU> writes:

richard> um...correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the human brain
richard> function at something like 25% capacity?

Depending on which pop-psychologists you read/listen to it's anywhere from
1% to 50%. But remember that psychologists have a social science degree
(assuming they have a degree at all), not a medical degree, so take it with
a grain of salt.

richard> If so, doesn't it follow that there is, or was (potentially
richard> untapped) a source of power for the remaining 75%? And if we're
richard> not using it now...

Usage capacity is not a function of power consumption, or vice-versa. Take
just about any multi-user OS. When a minimum of processes are running, only
a tiny fraction of the CPU's capacity is being utilized (the rest is taken
up by the "idle" process). But the power draw is identical whether there is
a minimum of processes running or if you load the machine with 60 logins.
The analogy isn't perfect, but it should get the point across that while
there may be extra "processing power" that we humans don't take advantage
of, that doesn't mean we've got juice to spare.

Besides, if we could tap neural impulses for raw power, imagine what we
could get out of neuromuscular activity! I'm talking about orders of
magnitude greater available power than you could get out of cranial
activity. It's like the difference between a tiny spring in Maine and the
Hoover Dam.

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Message no. 31
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:20:13 +1000
Matt writes:

> Remember, though, that the crash of 2029 (?) wiped out a lot of sensitive
> data, stalling out the world's technological climb, so to speak.

Well, that leaves almost 40 years before the crash. Think about what the
world was like 40 years ago, then imaigne it 40 years technologically
advanced from now. One would think an awful lot more than cyber muscle
fibres would be deveolped.

Of course there's the awakening to consider too...

--
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Message no. 32
From: King of Pain <mcgowan@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 22:35:42 -0400
On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, richard paul schuster wrote:

> >
> um...correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the human brain
> function at something like 25% capacity? If so, doesn't it follow that
> there is, or was (potentially untapped) a source of power for the
> remaining 75%? And if we're not using it now...
>
> -Paul
>
Actually, what that statistic refers to is your cognitive access to your
brain. So basicly, you only use 25% of your brain to think, store
memories, etc. etc. Now, what do you do with the other 75%?? Oh, minor
things like walking, hearing, interpreting pictures, sounds, breathing,
having your heart beat, temperature regulation, sleep regulation, etc.
etc. Basicly all the things that you take for granted every day is what
the other 75% of your brain works at CONSTANTLY(yes, even when your
sleeping, the brain never rests). So, if you really WANT to access that
other 75% you can. I wouldn't reccommend it(frankly i'd rather lose some
cognitive ability over those little things that keep you alive)

=)

Just some food for thought,

RDM
Message no. 33
From: Matt Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:03:57 -0400
> On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
>
> Replacement?" And that technology is being perfected today. Imagine it
> in 2053.

O.k. I've heard a lot of this. But I've just got to remind everyone
about the world wide computer crash of 2029. A LOT of information was lost
when it happened. I know they are still really kick ass, but if you shifted
the timeline along without it, the decking and by the same token,
simsense, wouldn't quite be as widespread as it is in 2053 Shadowrun, but all
the other tech would be.
Message no. 34
From: Brian McCallister <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:46:03 -0400
>only using 25% of brain

That uis false. It was once believed that we only used a fraction of the
brain, and brain power, but that is wrong. 100% of the human brain sees
use, just not all at the same time.

Brian McCallister---------------------------------------------------Skrub
"I get to play Doom on a Pentium 90 !!!!!!!"
-Skrub, before being shot for unknown reasons
Message no. 35
From: Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@***.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:53:06 -0500
Still, don't forget that the crash didn't just stall progress...it made
it go backwards. They talked about it in the book "Shadowplay", I believe...
lots of the stuff they had before the crash has been lost, and other stuff is
just being rediscovered.

In other words, just say that SR is about 10 years over now in most
technologies, and more in computer tech (because that survived...decks).

Tim Skirvin | "They didn't die for nothing, they died to bring
tskirvin@***.uiuc.edu| us Pepsi!" -- Mr Sutton on "Glory"
Message no. 36
From: Stephane Lafrance <Stephane.Lafrance@***.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:22:06 EDT
----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------

Sent by:richard paul schuster <pshoe@*****.UMICH.EDU>

um...correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the human brain
function at something like 25% capacity? If so, doesn't it follow that
there is, or was (potentially untapped) a source of power for the
remaining 75%? And if we're not using it now...

-Paul

=====================================================================
Average human brain runs at 10%

Stephan
Message no. 37
From: Matt Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware Power
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:51:39 -0400
> > Remember, though, that the crash of 2029 (?) wiped out a lot of sensitive
> > data, stalling out the world's technological climb, so to speak.
>
> Well, that leaves almost 40 years before the crash. Think about what the
> world was like 40 years ago, then imaigne it 40 years technologically
> advanced from now. One would think an awful lot more than cyber muscle
> fibres would be deveolped.
>
> Of course there's the awakening to consider too...
>
And the Night of Rage, the VITAS plague, all sorts of breakdowns of
governments.... Everything went to the shitter for a few years. But, if
this tech is being re-developed 20 years after the crash...imagine what
it'll be like in another ten....(At least I hope it won't be another
Battletech fiasco).
Message no. 38
From: JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES <burwell@******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cyberware power...
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:29:46 -0700
Don't remember who started this thing a long time ago. ( the
smurf crap about a month or two ago ).

Cyberware is powered by small smurfs ( or your favorite rodent )
on small treadmills. They live off of your blood supply. So now we got
VITAS smurfs.
On the other hand they could use alternative feul sources. Such
as solar, natural gas ( mexican food pops into mind ), or wood.

What about add ons for cyberhands. I am sure that they exist in
the world of SR. Pop of the ol' hand and put on the salad shooter or
maybe a can opener. Wow, think of the posibilities. Personally, I go with
FASA's answer.
Goodbye

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