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Message no. 1
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:35:22 -0400 (EDT)
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:3) I was thinking about the datajack in different location issue,
:and how much additional essence this would cost and I came up with
:the following number and reason: Essence Cost would be 0.1 per
:meter from the brain to the new datajack location. how did I come
:up with this number? I was thinking about the Smartgun Link. It
:costs 0.5 essence in a meat arm, and .25 if it is installed in
:someone with a cyber arm. So, the connection from the shoulder to
:the induction pad costs .25 essence as well. I took off .15 for
:the induction pad, and that left me 0.1 essence for the wire
:running the length of the arm. So does that make sense? Any
:obvious flaws in my logic?

So, under your theory, how do you justify the fact that the Fingertip
Datajack (Cybertechnolgy, p.29-Fingertip Compartments) has the same
essence cost as a headware datajack?

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Message no. 2
From: David Cordy DCordy@****.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:03:12 -0700
> So, under your theory, how do you justify the fact that the Fingertip
> Datajack (Cybertechnolgy, p.29-Fingertip Compartments) has the same
> essence cost as a headware datajack?
>
How do I justify it? Well, I was just thinking about it and thought that I
would put it out there. I just read about the Fingertip Compartment in
Cybertechnolgy, so I did not take that into account (Thanks to all who
pointed that out to me). But, I like my theory, so I will raise the essence
cost of a Fingertip Compartment datajack to match it.
By the book, that means that the induction pad alone costs .25 Essence.
(Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad and
wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)

> --
> -- Paul Gettle, #186 of 1000 (RunnerPaul@*****.com)
>
DavidC
Message no. 3
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:27:29 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad and
] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)

Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?

-Murder of One
Message no. 4
From: David Cordy DCordy@****.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:41:45 -0700
> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
> ] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad
> and
> ] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
>
There would be no logical reason for this to happen, that is one reason why
it is a hypothetical question.

> -Murder of One
>
DavidC
Message no. 5
From: MCP MCP@********.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:53:47 -0700
> From: David Cordy <DCordy@****.com> Monday, July 26, 1999 8:41 AM
>
>
> > "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
> > ] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction
pad
> > and
> > ] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
> >
> > Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
> >
> There would be no logical reason for this to happen, that is one reason
why
> it is a hypothetical question.
>
On a semi-related note: is it possible to get an induction pad mounted on
a glove so that someone with smartgoggles won't have to spend the time
plugging the data cable into the gun? Any ideas on what it might cost?

MCP
Message no. 6
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:15:00 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
] > ] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad
] > and
] > ] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
] >
] > Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
] >
] There would be no logical reason for this to happen, that is one reason why
] it is a hypothetical question.

Actually, I don't understand how, either...induction pad where? The
whole thing is lost on me.

-Murder of One
Message no. 7
From: David Cordy DCordy@****.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:28:45 -0700
> ] > ] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction
> pad
> ] > and
> ] > ] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
> ] >
> ] > Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
> ] >
> ] There would be no logical reason for this to happen, that is one reason
> why
> ] it is a hypothetical question.
>
> Actually, I don't understand how, either...induction pad where? The
> whole thing is lost on me.
>
An induction pad for a smartgun in the palm of the hand, with a jack at the
wrist, that connects to a pair of smartgoggles via a cable. As for why,
maybe the character has no problem with removing parts of his body, but the
mind is sacred and should not be altered, or maybe he is afraid of having
people messing around up there.

> -Murder of One
>
DavidC
Message no. 8
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:27:02
At 01:15 PM 7/26/99 -0300, you wrote:
>"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
>] > ] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction
pad
>] > and
>] > ] wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
>] >
>] > Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
>] >
>] There would be no logical reason for this to happen, that is one reason why
>] it is a hypothetical question.
>
> Actually, I don't understand how, either...induction pad where? The
>whole thing is lost on me.


Ok. I think I understand what he wants to do. You have a SGL gun of some
kind. It is a regular ole 'for the cybered up' SGL. You have a special
glove that has the receiving induction pad in it, and a cable going up to
your goggles. Hence, you can use 'normal' SGL'ed guns and not adapted ones
that most GMs make you use if you don't got the cyber.

Does this sound better?

--The Hamm
Message no. 9
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:37:43 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Lloyd Vance."
] Ok. I think I understand what he wants to do. You have a SGL gun of some
] kind. It is a regular ole 'for the cybered up' SGL. You have a special
] glove that has the receiving induction pad in it, and a cable going up to
] your goggles. Hence, you can use 'normal' SGL'ed guns and not adapted ones
] that most GMs make you use if you don't got the cyber.
]
] Does this sound better?

Maybe...I always thought a smartgun was a smartgun, regardless of
whether you've got a smartlink or smartgoggles.

-Murder of One
Message no. 10
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:38:17 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to David Cordy."
] > Actually, I don't understand how, either...induction pad where? The
] > whole thing is lost on me.
] >
] An induction pad for a smartgun in the palm of the hand, with a jack at the
] wrist, that connects to a pair of smartgoggles via a cable. As for why,
] maybe the character has no problem with removing parts of his body, but the
] mind is sacred and should not be altered, or maybe he is afraid of having
] people messing around up there.

Oh. Okay then :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:33:26 -0500
>] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad
>] and wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?

You don't want/can't have a smartlink implanted. You want the benefit of
the smartgun technology, but you don't want a wire running from your gun to
your head (it plays hell with concealability, and the whole quick-draw
thing doesn't work out too well, either). So you get an induction pad
built into a glove, wire the smart-goggle cable to that, and run the wire
down the sleeve of your jacket. You've still got a cable attached to your
sunglasses, but it's much less likely to be noticed, and much less likely
to snag on things.

That's why *I* could see it being done.

Patrick
Message no. 12
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:06:37 -0700
At 12:33 PM 7/26/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >] (Which brings up a odd hypothetical question; Can I get an induction pad
> >] and wire it to a set of Smartgoggles?)
> >
> > Pardon my ignorance, but why would you want to?
>
>You don't want/can't have a smartlink implanted. You want the benefit of
>the smartgun technology, but you don't want a wire running from your gun to
>your head (it plays hell with concealability, and the whole quick-draw
>thing doesn't work out too well, either). So you get an induction pad
>built into a glove, wire the smart-goggle cable to that, and run the wire
>down the sleeve of your jacket. You've still got a cable attached to your
>sunglasses, but it's much less likely to be noticed, and much less likely
>to snag on things.

Not only that walking around with a wire sticking out of your head may be
just a "tad" obvious of say some cops show up or corpsec decides to take an
interest in why you walking around in that alley behind their
building. Worse comes to worse you can dump the gun and walk out alot
quicker than say pulling the wire out of your head, etc.
Message no. 13
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:06 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Patrick Goodman."
] You don't want/can't have a smartlink implanted. You want the benefit of
] the smartgun technology, but you don't want a wire running from your gun to
] your head (it plays hell with concealability, and the whole quick-draw
] thing doesn't work out too well, either). So you get an induction pad
] built into a glove, wire the smart-goggle cable to that, and run the wire
] down the sleeve of your jacket. You've still got a cable attached to your
] sunglasses, but it's much less likely to be noticed, and much less likely
] to snag on things.
]
] That's why *I* could see it being done.

Why not just run the cable through the sleeve, or even a hole in the
glove? Why complicate things (I guess there are folks who _like_ to
complicate things)?

-Murder of One
Message no. 14
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:11:51 EDT
In a message dated 99-07-26 11:55:32 EDT, you write:

<< On a semi-related note: is it possible to get an induction pad mounted on
a glove so that someone with smartgoggles won't have to spend the time
plugging the data cable into the gun? Any ideas on what it might cost? >>

On my site, I did a smart-gauntlet, tied by short range RF to the helmet
display/glasses.
Message no. 15
From: John Hopson jwh9@*****.duke.edu
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:01:08 -0400
At 02:11 PM 7/26/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 99-07-26 11:55:32 EDT, you write:
>
><< On a semi-related note: is it possible to get an induction pad mounted on
> a glove so that someone with smartgoggles won't have to spend the time
> plugging the data cable into the gun? Any ideas on what it might cost? >>
>
>On my site, I did a smart-gauntlet, tied by short range RF to the helmet
>display/glasses.

By that point wouldn't it be reasonable to simply put the rf transmitter
in the gun itself? It probably wouldn't be any more inefficient or
expensive than an induction pad.

John
Message no. 16
From: cmpetro@*********.com cmpetro@*********.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:02:30 -0500
John wrote:
> By that point wouldn't it be reasonable to simply put the rf transmitter
>in the gun itself? It probably wouldn't be any more inefficient or
>expensive than an induction pad.

Don't even go there. I can just see the fun that could cause. Jamming the RF
signal or overriding it, wanting to be able to fire the gun when not holding it,
ect.
Message no. 17
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:22:02
At 02:37 PM 7/26/99 -0300, you wrote:
>"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Lloyd Vance."
>] Ok. I think I understand what he wants to do. You have a SGL gun of some
>] kind. It is a regular ole 'for the cybered up' SGL. You have a special
>] glove that has the receiving induction pad in it, and a cable going up to
>] your goggles. Hence, you can use 'normal' SGL'ed guns and not adapted ones
>] that most GMs make you use if you don't got the cyber.
>]
>] Does this sound better?
>
> Maybe...I always thought a smartgun was a smartgun, regardless of
>whether you've got a smartlink or smartgoggles.
>
>-Murder of One

Well, I guess it depends on how picky your GM is. I would say that for two
very different uses, there would be two different models of SGLs, at least
for the built in kind. If you have an external SGL on a gun, I would
accept that it would do both.

--The Hamm
Message no. 18
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:45:08 -0500
<snip my explanation of why I'd want an induction pad on smart goggles>

>] That's why *I* could see it being done.
>
>Why not just run the cable through the sleeve, or even a hole in the
>glove? Why complicate things (I guess there are folks who _like_ to
>complicate things)?

The cable is running through sleeve, and is plugged into the glove...so you
don't have to take the time to plug it into the gun, and can use the
induction pads in the grip without having to plug into anything. Faster in
the field, IMHO.

Patrick
Message no. 19
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:13:42 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Patrick Goodman."
] The cable is running through sleeve, and is plugged into the glove...so you
] don't have to take the time to plug it into the gun, and can use the
] induction pads in the grip without having to plug into anything. Faster in
] the field, IMHO.

Good point. So, you could switch weapons rapidly without plugging your
goggles in multiple times...now I get it!

-Murder of One
Message no. 20
From: Number Ten Ox number_10_ox@**********.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
---Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca> wrote:

> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Patrick Goodman."
> ] The cable is running through sleeve, and is plugged into the
glove...so you
> ] don't have to take the time to plug it into the gun, and can use the
> ] induction pads in the grip without having to plug into anything.
Faster in
> ] the field, IMHO.

> Good point. So, you could switch weapons rapidly without plugging your
> goggles in multiple times...now I get it!

Is it just me, or is running around in a combat situation with a *cable*
plugged into your gun and your head just kind of silly? Two, count'em, two
single-points-of-failure for that arrangement. Picture yourself with that
arrangement running through a forest. Run, run, run, stop, plug yourself
back in, run, run, stop, look for the cable, plug yourself back in. Or
operating in an urban environment: kick open the door, cover the room with
the gun... stop, untangle cable from doorknob, plug cable back in...

Makes more sense, IMO, to have the induction-pad-to-brain connection be
a wire... and should you not have the induction pad implant, it would make
sense for the smartlink socket connector to be implanted in the pad of the
thumb, or the web between thumb and forefinger -- that part of the hand
that's actually in the most stable contact with the gun while firing.

(On the other hand, that still doesn't solve the fast-draw problem
unless the interface eliminates the cable entirely, being a simple
pin-and-socket connector. And I don't want to know what recoil stresses
will do to *that* configuration.)

This make Zathras' head hurt. Just get the induction pad, chummer. :)

==--Number 10 Ox.
"It's a big yellow rubber ducky."
"Is it rigger-driven?"




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Message no. 21
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:46:39 EDT
In a message dated 7/26/99 3:01:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jwh9@*****.duke.edu writes:

> By that point wouldn't it be reasonable to simply put the rf transmitter
> in the gun itself? It probably wouldn't be any more inefficient or
> expensive than an induction pad.
sure, that wou;ld be fine, but would only work with guns set up for the RF
feed, my system was designed to be able to use any internally smart gun, less
bulk IMO.
Message no. 22
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: Datajack Location & Essence Cost [was: Couple of questions]
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:22:01 -0400
On 26 Jul 99, at 14:11, Schizi@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-07-26 11:55:32 EDT, you write:
>
> << On a semi-related note: is it possible to get an induction pad mounted
> on
> a glove so that someone with smartgoggles won't have to spend the time
> plugging the data cable into the gun? Any ideas on what it might cost?
> >>
>
> On my site, I did a smart-gauntlet, tied by short range RF to the helmet
> display/glasses.

Hey, I kinda' like this idea. What would yer site addy be so
that I might take a gander at that?

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