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Message no. 1
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:34:03 -0600
Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.

http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

Adam
Message no. 2
From: Robert Blackberg Robert.Blackberg@***.fiserv.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:30:01 -0400
>>> Adam J <adamj@*********.html.com> 07/23/99 12:34PM >>>
Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.

http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html


Well, maybe we'll get to see the SRCCG again. <pensive look>

Robert (no cool tagline, just a plain line___________________)
Message no. 3
From: 00DNA mcmanus@******.albany.edu
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:59:35 -0400
At 01:30 PM 7/23/99 -0400, Robert Blackberg wrote:
>>>> Adam J <adamj@*********.html.com> 07/23/99 12:34PM >>>
>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html
>
>
>Well, maybe we'll get to see the SRCCG again. <pensive look>
>
>Robert (no cool tagline, just a plain line___________________)

Or at least better updating of their Web site. (:

--00DNA
"...user connection terminated."
Message no. 4
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:37:38 -0500
>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

Holy shit.

I'm not certain at this point whether this is good or bad for us...but my
gut tells me that it's probably good.

More later, after I digest this.

Patrick
Message no. 5
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:40:39 CST
>From: Adam J <adamj@*********.html.com>
>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

Yes it does, but the big question is, will this be a good thing or a bad
thing???

Geoff Haacke
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"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."


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Message no. 6
From: Kelson kelson13@*******.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:48:43 -0700
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:40:39 Geoffrey Haacke wrote:

>>From: Adam J <adamj@*********.html.com>

>>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.

>>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

>Yes it does, but the big question is, will this be a good thing or a bad
>thing???

Well, at least we'll have a good core SR3 set out realsoonnow just in case. ;)

>Geoff Haacke

Justin


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Message no. 7
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:14:44 EDT
In a message dated 7/23/1999 11:37:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.html.com writes:

>
> Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
> http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

Okay, now what exactly does that mean????

-K
Message no. 8
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:38:36 -0400 (EDT)
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At 10:34 AM 7/23/99 -0600, Adam J wrote:
:Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
:
:http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

My first reaction to this is summed up with the words "Well Bugger
Me..."
I know I'm just in a state of undifferentiated astonishment right
now, and until we get more news, I don't think there's anyway to
predict how this'll turn out.

It's interesting to note, that on the press release's message board,
was a post from someone who wasn't familiar with FASA, but had taken
the link to www.fasa.com from the press release page. To quote: "I
didn't see much good stuff on their site. Are they a good company?"

And FASA wonders why some of their fans get their panties all in a
bunch over the quality of their website. :)

Also, there's Adam J's neat post where he explains to the unwashed
masses where to find Freedonia, and why they have an Aeronautics and
Space Administration.

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Message no. 9
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:22:46 +1000
>My first reaction to this is summed up with the words "Well Bugger
>Me..."
>I know I'm just in a state of undifferentiated astonishment right
>now, and until we get more news, I don't think there's anyway to
>predict how this'll turn out.

One of the things I'm really worried about is whether or not they'll
continue FASA's policy of being cool with what fans do.

Are Decipher going to get their knickers in a twist about us using
'shadowrun.html.com' as a domain name for Deep Resonance? Are they likely
to crack down on fans' use of copyrighted stuff left right and centre?
(Which FASA is notoriously cool about.)

That's the stuff I'm really worried about.

Lady Jestyr

Work like you don't need the money. | It might look like I'm doing
Love like you've never been hurt. | nothing, but at the cellular
Dance like nobody's watching. | level I'm really quite busy.

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Message no. 10
From: Bull bull@*******.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 04:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
At 10:34 AM 7/23/99 -0600, Adam J wrote these timeless words:
>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html
>
Hmmmm...

It's been about 6 hours since I read this, and I talked about it with some
of the guys on IRC, and I'm still not sure hoe to react.

On one hand, FASA is being sold. And man, did this come out of the blue.
I don't know what this will mean. Sure, at the moment it seems that the
folks at FASA will retain control of their stuff, just being part of the
larger whole, but... Will this last? What happens when later on Decipher
decides that they want to do something different with Shadowrun than the SR
crew does?

On the other, if it's more of a merger, rather than a takeoever/buyout...
It could be for the greater good. We have a company capable of putting out
a card game that still sells. Of course, this means that the new SR CCG
will have 4 versions of Argent and Stryper, and will feature cards like
"Never trust a dragon"< Conserve Ammo", and a card for every other
cliched
quote ever done in SR. :] But, by the same token, we have a company that
has Miniatures, Card Games, Role Playing games, Board Games, and Novels all
under their belt, and doing all of them successfully at the same time
(hopefully). And we've potentially got a company that can take on WOTC and
hold there own.

That is, if they don;t become another WOTC.

One of the things that has turned me into the FASA Fanboy you see before
you is that everyone at FASA is really cool. They're a bunch of gamers who
don;t mind having lunch with some schmuck fanboys who stumbled across them
at the food court during Gen Con. Hell, Mike even made us playtesters
during that fateful exchange :]

What happens if the corporate attitude takes them? In the early days,
Magic was a lot of fun because everyone involved was having fun with it.
Now it's a business. And while the business is still to let people have
fun, it's also highly money driven. And anyone who's been doing it since
the beginning can tell that the "magic" has gone ouit of it. It's a job
for these guys now, not a hobby that's making money. That lots of poeple
enjoy.

So here's hoping that the new FASA-Decipher merger becomes something good,
and that they use their powers to benifit gamer-kind, rather than turning
to evil :]

Bull -- Where do we go from here?
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Message no. 11
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 05:31:27 -0400
Once upon a time, Adam J wrote;

>Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
>
>http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

I feel ill.
Message no. 12
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:07:24 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 3:34:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bull@*******.net writes:

> It's been about 6 hours since I read this, and I talked about it with some
> of the guys on IRC, and I'm still not sure hoe to react.

Been more than that for me ...

> On one hand, FASA is being sold. And man, did this come out of the blue.
> I don't know what this will mean. Sure, at the moment it seems that the
> folks at FASA will retain control of their stuff, just being part of the
> larger whole, but... Will this last? What happens when later on Decipher
> decides that they want to do something different with Shadowrun than the SR
> crew does?

I'm focusing in more on Decipher. I wasn't even aware of the stuff that they
did in any complete form originally, now I'm getting a bit better picture
here. Interesting to say the least.

> On the other, if it's more of a merger, rather than a takeoever/buyout...
> It could be for the greater good. We have a company capable of putting out
> a card game that still sells. Of course, this means that the new SR CCG
> will have 4 versions of Argent and Stryper, and will feature cards like
> "Never trust a dragon"< Conserve Ammo", and a card for every other
cliched
> quote ever done in SR. :] But, by the same token, we have a company that
> has Miniatures, Card Games, Role Playing games, Board Games, and Novels all
> under their belt, and doing all of them successfully at the same time
> (hopefully). And we've potentially got a company that can take on WOTC and
> hold there own.

I agree here for the most part, but please understand, it is a Buyout of FASA
by Decipher. I can't find anything more solid than this on either website
(doesn't surprise me actually). I am hopeful it means FASA is going to be
something cool and generative, with a staying power unlike any of the others.

> That is, if they don;t become another WOTC.

I don't believe that will happen. For lack of better terms, they have WOTC
to look at as a template for screw-ups....

> One of the things that has turned me into the FASA Fanboy you see before
> you is that everyone at FASA is really cool. They're a bunch of gamers who
> don;t mind having lunch with some schmuck fanboys who stumbled across them
> at the food court during Gen Con. Hell, Mike even made us playtesters
> during that fateful exchange :]

IMO, that is because the people at FASA (at least to me) are vastly more
MATURE a group of people than those that once-upon-a-time would run TSR, and
seem to have a far better organizational structure than WotC itself.

Don't get me wrong, I still see FASA as a business, and one that is looking
for its' survivability. However, this also doesn't really surprise me. I
recall telling someone via email or AIM conversation, that Mort seemed like
he was someone wanting to get out of the gaming business, when I met him last
year. I don't know, it was just one of those gut instinct-calls I get when I
meet people (as I did last year).

> What happens if the corporate attitude takes them? In the early days,
> Magic was a lot of fun because everyone involved was having fun with it.
> Now it's a business. And while the business is still to let people have
> fun, it's also highly money driven. And anyone who's been doing it since
> the beginning can tell that the "magic" has gone ouit of it. It's a job
> for these guys now, not a hobby that's making money. That lots of poeple
> enjoy.

Actually Bull, the dynamics are more than that. Its' a business, sure. But
it's one where the "Magic" has to be kept in the eyes of the buying consumers
(which has a HUGE range of ages as far as many hobbies are concerned now).
It has always been a job for making money. It's the fact that many
companies, like TSR and even FASA, started out as a "Hobby Expanding Their
Ideals", and weren't able to understand or comprehend the overall dynamics of
the buying consumer base enough to really make some money at it.

> So here's hoping that the new FASA-Decipher merger becomes something good,
> and that they use their powers to benifit gamer-kind, rather than turning
> to evil :]

And one last thing, on a judgement of scale....it's a Decipher-FASA thing,
not the other way around...

-K (who has found his critical side at WAY too early a time of the day)
Message no. 13
From: Kelson kelson13@*******.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:15:15 -0700
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:38:36 runnerpaul wrote:

>And FASA wonders why some of their fans get their panties all in a
>bunch over the quality of their website. :)

Tell me about it. I had a potential player who wanted to learn more about SR. So, I gave
him the URL for FASA's website. About 5 minutes later he came back and told me that he
had read all that was there about SR and that he hadn't learned much of anything.

What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any content?

On a similar note, I saw an ad in a magazine with a URL. So, I went to the web site and
it said it was coming soon. Why would you advertise a site that doesn't even exist yet?

I just don't get it.

Justin


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Message no. 14
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:25:16 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/99 10:16:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kelson13@*******.com writes:

> What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any content?


Maybe it's just me, but if FASA put the same kind of material on the
Shadowrun part of their site as they do to the Crimson Skies section, it
would generate a helluva lot more player interest. A message board, fiction,
art, maybe the And So It Came To Pass.... from the BBBs, and how about an
updated monthly Shadowland that contains hint of plotlines to come. (FASA
was doing this way back when, I recall, when PoaD was coming/came out.)





-Twist
"Soylent Green is people."
Message no. 15
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:39:52 -0500
> On the other, if it's more of a merger, rather than a takeoever/buyout...
> It could be for the greater good. We have a company capable of
> putting out a card game that still sells. ... And we've potentially got
> a company that can take on WOTC and hold there own.
>
> That is, if they don;t become another WOTC.

OTOH, from where I'm sitting, the WOTC purchase of TSR was one of the better
things to happen to TSR, since it actually put the gaming portion of TSR
back in charge of their products. I don't necessarily see Decipher doing
anything different, since I don't think it would be in their best interest.

I could be wrong; as I've said, my gut has been wrong before. But I think
that somewhere along the line, this is going to turn into a pretty good
thing.

--
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Message no. 16
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:19:46 -0700
Patrick Goodman wrote:

> OTOH, from where I'm sitting, the WOTC purchase of TSR was one of the better
> things to happen to TSR, since it actually put the gaming portion of TSR
> back in charge of their products. I don't necessarily see Decipher doing
> anything different, since I don't think it would be in their best interest.
>
> I could be wrong; as I've said, my gut has been wrong before. But I think
> that somewhere along the line, this is going to turn into a pretty good
> thing.

I haveta disagree. GOOD would be if decipher only controls FASA's *business*
end, and lets the gaming lines do their own thing creatively and otherwise with
little interference from above. How big IS decipher, anyway? Both people and
moneywise?

John
Message no. 17
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:43:03 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/99 12:43:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, remo@***.net
writes:

> OTOH, from where I'm sitting, the WOTC purchase of TSR was one of the better
> things to happen to TSR, since it actually put the gaming portion of TSR
> back in charge of their products. I don't necessarily see Decipher doing
> anything different, since I don't think it would be in their best interest.
>
> I could be wrong; as I've said, my gut has been wrong before. But I think
> that somewhere along the line, this is going to turn into a pretty good
> thing.


Hasn't TSR put out more or less nil since the WotC takeover?




-Twist
"Soylent Green is people."
Message no. 18
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:57:21 -0500
> Hasn't TSR put out more or less nil since the WotC takeover?

Not to judge from the shelves at my local game store. A lot of it has,
admittedly, been nostalgia (it is the 25th anniversary, after all), but
they've put out some new stuff for MARVEL SUPER HEROES, a lot of AD&D stuff
(the compiled DRAGONLANCE stuff is very nicely done, for instance, and
includes rules for both AD&D and the Dragonlance FIFTH AGE card-based
role-playing system). They've put out a new system (ALTERNITY), and a
buttload of stuff for it (I wish they'd release a GAMMA WORLD setting book
for Alternity; I might actually buy that).

Guess it depends on how you define "nil," I suppose, but I'm inclined to say
no.

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Message no. 19
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:08:55 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/99 4:01:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, remo@***.net
writes:

> > Hasn't TSR put out more or less nil since the WotC takeover?
>
> Not to judge from the shelves at my local game store. A lot of it has,
> admittedly, been nostalgia (it is the 25th anniversary, after all), but
> they've put out some new stuff for MARVEL SUPER HEROES, a lot of AD&D stuff
> (the compiled DRAGONLANCE stuff is very nicely done, for instance, and
> includes rules for both AD&D and the Dragonlance FIFTH AGE card-based
> role-playing system). They've put out a new system (ALTERNITY), and a
> buttload of stuff for it (I wish they'd release a GAMMA WORLD setting book
> for Alternity; I might actually buy that).
>
> Guess it depends on how you define "nil," I suppose, but I'm inclined to
say
> no.
>


I was speaking to a fellower shadowrunner yesterday shortly after the news
broke, and suggested that FASA and Decipher were forming to combat the
WotC/TSR merger. My companion said that he really couldn't see it happening,
since TSR had been pretty much silent since the merger. Myself, I shy away
from TSR's lines, so I couldn't say. Of course, this guy thinks the SR line
has been quiet this past year, so maybe his idea of volume is different.




-Twist
"Soylent Green is people."
Message no. 20
From: Bull bull@*******.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
At 04:08 PM 7/24/99 EDT, Twist0059@***.com wrote these timeless words:

>I was speaking to a fellower shadowrunner yesterday shortly after the news
>broke, and suggested that FASA and Decipher were forming to combat the
>WotC/TSR merger. My companion said that he really couldn't see it
happening,
>since TSR had been pretty much silent since the merger. Myself, I shy away
>from TSR's lines, so I couldn't say. Of course, this guy thinks the SR line
>has been quiet this past year, so maybe his idea of volume is different.
>
Well... I haven't really played much from AD&D in a long time, but... To
be honest, I've been mroe interested in playing D&D stuff in the last
couple years than I have been in a LONG time... ANd I've been doing AD&D
for about 16 years now...

Yeah, the volumn of AD&D stuff has declined. But most people who played
AD&D for any length of time can tell you that there was a reason they went
broke. They were pumping out scads of CRAP for a long time, supporting
game worlds that no one liked and putting out hordes of medicre stuff for
game worlds that people liked.

So they've refocused. To be honest, I think that the WOTC buyout was the
best thing that could have happened to TSR and AD&D. A lot of what they're
putting out right now for their 25th anniversary is, as was said, nostolgia
stuff. Slight redo's and reprints of old AD&D modules that are 20 years
old, with some new material. Of course, everything they're reprinting is
in response to polls in what people wanted to see. This is what we grew up
playing, and this is what we want to see :] Return to the Tomb of Horrors
is the best AD&D set I've ever seen :]

Besides, we've all said how cool it would be to see FASA reprint some of
it's old OOP stuff, right? :] <grin>

Bull
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Message no. 21
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:22:12 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/99 10:16:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kelson13@*******.com writes:

> What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any content?
>
> On a similar note, I saw an ad in a magazine with a URL. So, I went to
the
> web site and it said it was coming soon. Why would you advertise a site
that
> doesn't even exist yet?

The funniest example of this I have found is the Glock website
(www.glock.com) it went up at the end of 97 (IIRC) with a glock logo and the
"underconstruction, check back soon"
The only changes since then have been to change the copyright year
underneath said logo.
(hmm, guess they're trying to figure out a way to make it out of plastic :-)
Message no. 22
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:34:32 +1000
At 16:08 24/07/99 EDT Twist0059@***.com wrote
>I was speaking to a fellower shadowrunner yesterday shortly after the news
>broke, and suggested that FASA and Decipher were forming to combat the
>WotC/TSR merger. My companion said that he really couldn't see it
happening,
>since TSR had been pretty much silent since the merger. Myself, I shy away
>from TSR's lines, so I couldn't say. Of course, this guy thinks the SR line
>has been quiet this past year, so maybe his idea of volume is different.
>
>-Twist

Twist, tell your buddy to stick to shadowrunning
because he seems to know little about gaming
companies.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
1) It is NOT a merger, it's a buyout.
These are two separate things with big
differences.

2) Companies DO NOT buy smaller ones
that can diversify their product line within
the market and shut them down. This is
just plain madness.

3) Companies, including FASA, are in
the game to make money. If selling to
Decipher is one way to ensure that SR
survives into the next century then it's
a good thing.

4) TSR has been brought back from the
dead with the buyout by WotC. Just because
a CCG company (your crack money at work)
buys a RPG company it does not mean its
the end of the world.

5) From my personal dealings with Decipher
in my capacity as a Convention President I can
say that they are an exciting, dynamic company
to deal with that believes passionately about
not only their products but the people that play
them. I can name only one game company that
sent their big boss over to Brisbane here and
put on a product release at the Sheraton _and_
invited the local gamers for a snack and drink,
and yes Virginia it was Decipher...Not to mention
that Decipher absolutely rocks when it comes
to prize support for cons.

__________________________________
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and then it's just hilarious." - Faith No More
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Message no. 23
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:04:03 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/99 8:35:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
timburke@*******.com.au writes:

> Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
> 1) It is NOT a merger, it's a buyout.
> These are two separate things with big
> differences.
well, the extent of the "buyout" is not known right now. Perhaps the FASACorp
is purchased by Decipher, and the cost includes stock (assuming stock
available, or % etc. ) in Decipher for the FASA heads?
As I said on an AOL board, it seems strange to me that FASA would take the
time and money to get Ral Partha and go through with the MS deal, then sell
to Decipher unless;
1) They were seriously in the hole money-wise and had to
2) The new parent corp opened up more opportunities for FASA as a whole.
3) The owners of FASA got offered such an excessive amount of money, they had
to take it and run.
Message no. 24
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:15:41 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 9:16:58 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
kelson13@*******.com writes:

>
> What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any
content?

What's the point in selling gaming merchandise if you don't want to make any
money?

-K
Message no. 25
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:17:56 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 12:21:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
cpenta@*****.com writes:

>
> I haveta disagree. GOOD would be if decipher only controls FASA's
*business*
> end, and lets the gaming lines do their own thing creatively and otherwise
> with
> little interference from above. How big IS decipher, anyway? Both people
and
> moneywise?

I would have to say that by mergine Decipher and FASA, a "market force"
capable of taking on WotC toe-to-toe has been created. Lets' face facts here
folks. FASA has been doing some good things. And in the business world, a
"Good Thing" translates into a "Solid Investment". Decipher is
looking to
expand their market value, and this was a good choice.

I'm hoping to get some replies along some special queries soon, if not, FASA
Staff had better hope they're ready for the "What's Up with FASA" seminar at
Gencon...

-K
Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:20:26 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 3:11:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

>
> I was speaking to a fellower shadowrunner yesterday shortly after the news
> broke, and suggested that FASA and Decipher were forming to combat the
> WotC/TSR merger. My companion said that he really couldn't see it
happening,
>
> since TSR had been pretty much silent since the merger. Myself, I shy
away
> from TSR's lines, so I couldn't say. Of course, this guy thinks the SR
line
>
> has been quiet this past year, so maybe his idea of volume is different.

And maybe this guy needs a marketeers hearing aid....

-K
Message no. 27
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:19:30 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 2:53:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

>
> Hasn't TSR put out more or less nil since the WotC takeover?
>

Me thinks Twist should go looking again at the TSR production level ...

-K
Message no. 28
From: Chrome Tiger chrome@********.org
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:50:49 -0400
>
> > What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any
> content?
>
> What's the point in selling gaming merchandise if you don't want
> to make any
> money?

I agree, the website seems geared more towards marketing and sales. Why
explain a game when that actually could draw away from people buying
components of the game. If you want FAQs and How-Tos, there are plenty of
fan sites that do such things.

CT
Message no. 29
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:19:12 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/99 1:54:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chrome@********.org writes:

> > > What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any
> > content?
> >
> > What's the point in selling gaming merchandise if you don't want
> > to make any
> > money?
>
> I agree, the website seems geared more towards marketing and sales. Why
> explain a game when that actually could draw away from people buying
> components of the game. If you want FAQs and How-Tos, there are plenty of
> fan sites that do such things.
>
> CT
>


A fatal flaw for FASA, I believe. When I'm interested in buying a new game
or product, I check the company's site first. Searching for fan sites is
second consideration. If you don't see something interesting on the web
site, it's easy to pass the game you were mildly interested in right by.




-Twist
"Soylent Green is people."
Message no. 30
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:50:23 +1000
> 5) From my personal dealings with Decipher
> in my capacity as a Convention President I can
> say that they are an exciting, dynamic company
> to deal with that believes passionately about
> not only their products but the people that play
> them. I can name only one game company that
> sent their big boss over to Brisbane here and
> put on a product release at the Sheraton _and_
> invited the local gamers for a snack and drink,
> and yes Virginia it was Decipher...Not to mention
> that Decipher absolutely rocks when it comes
> to prize support for cons.
>
> __________________________________
> Manx // timburke@*******.com.au // #950
> "It's always funny until someone gets hurt
> and then it's just hilarious." - Faith No More
> __________________________________

Tim,

Next time there is a big con in brisbane could you post it to the list? I dont
know squat about the gaming setup up there but if youre going to have SR well
represented there.. Id like to be able to try to get up there.. :)

Im sure this would be echoed by a few other Aussie gamers on the list... :)

GreyWolf
Message no. 31
From: Mist Warrior themistwarrior@********.com.au
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:26:40 +1000
And Manx Wrote.....

> > 5) From my personal dealings with Decipher
> > in my capacity as a Convention President I can
> > say that they are an exciting, dynamic company
> > to deal with that believes passionately about
> > not only their products but the people that play
> > them.

And Thus Did GreyWolf Reply......

> Tim,
>
> Next time there is a big con in brisbane could you post it to the
list? I dont
> know squat about the gaming setup up there but if youre going to
have SR well
> represented there.. Id like to be able to try to get up there.. :)
>
> Im sure this would be echoed by a few other Aussie gamers on the
list... :)

Hear Hear.....I actually am moving North very soon and am very
interested in what is going on. :-)

Mist Warrior
Message no. 32
From: Rori Steel cullyn@*****.com.au
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:18:56 +0000 (GMT)
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:26:40 +1000, Mist Warrior wrote:
>And Manx Wrote.....
>> > 5) From my personal dealings with Decipher
>> > in my capacity as a Convention President I can
>> > say that they are an exciting, dynamic company
>> > to deal with that believes passionately about
>> > not only their products but the people that play
>> > them.
>And Thus Did GreyWolf Reply......
>> Tim,
>> Next time there is a big con in brisbane could you post it to the
>> list? I dont know squat about the gaming setup up there but if youre going to
>> have SR well represented there.. Id like to be able to try to get up there.. :)
>> Im sure this would be echoed by a few other Aussie gamers on the
>> list... :)
>Hear Hear.....I actually am moving North very soon and am very
>interested in what is going on. :-)

I am also way into this.... If people are considering talking to game
companies... from the Newcastle/Sydney side.. we would have quite a
few people willing to travel... GreyWolf and his crew, Mist (Sorry..
dont know too much about you ;) and we have at least 10 in Newcastle
also who could pack and travel... I know that getting word onto the
Newcastle street about a setup like the one mentioned about would be
easy... only a few big groups (Newcastle Uni Gamers, Games Unlimited),
and RPG shops that everyone frequents every so often... I'll put the
word out and be travelling for sure... maybe we should invite them
over to QLD to let us know about what they are doing...

Arkham.. you've got a spare room dont you? *grin*

Cullyn
cullyn@*****.com.au
Message no. 33
From: Frank Pelletier (Trinity) fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:09:57 -0400
Bull <bull@*******.net> once wrote,

> Besides, we've all said how cool it would be to see FASA reprint some of
> it's old OOP stuff, right? :] <grin>
>
> Bull

Huh... they've been doing that for a year now. I want some new stuff. :)

Trinity
---------------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
fpelletier@******.usherb.ca

"Let them hate me, provided they fear me" - Atreus

Trinity on the Undernet and EFNet
Message no. 34
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:36:55 -0400
At 04.44 07-24-99 -0400, you wrote:
>It's been about 6 hours since I read this, and I talked about it with some
>of the guys on IRC, and I'm still not sure hoe to react.

Decipher did an OK job with Star Wars CCG, particularly when it came to
working with West End for background materials. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed.

>On one hand, FASA is being sold. And man, did this come out of the blue.

No kidding. Anyone know how it will affect release dates?

>decides that they want to do something different with Shadowrun than the SR
>crew does?

Then we look at it, decide either (a) that's good stuff, or (b) that
sucks. If the latter, we make it up as we go.

>That is, if they don;t become another WOTC.

If they use thier position for evil, then I propose a that we desend upon
them as the unruly mob that we are. I have a couple pitchforks and know
how to make torches. Anyone else?


CyberRaven
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat int he face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"'Impossible' is a term used by those of little imagination or intelligence
to describe that which they can not understand."
Message no. 35
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:36:20 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/99 11:24:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fpelletier@******.usherb.ca writes:

>
> > Besides, we've all said how cool it would be to see FASA reprint some of
> > it's old OOP stuff, right? :] <grin>
> >
> > Bull
>
> Huh... they've been doing that for a year now. I want some new stuff. :)


I think he meant older OOPs, not rules updates. Stuff like NAGNA, Harlequin,
UB, .....hmmm, maybe DNA/DOA? :-)

I wonder which sourcebook players would like to see reprinted most.
Alas, I have nothing left to collect, so I can't say for myself. The bugs
are out of the big picture now, so UB wouldn't be likely, even though that'd
be my first choice. I suppose it would be NAGNA. Afterall, you can learn
most of significant things in Harlequin from HB. (At least concerning a
certain young lady.) Also, the snipette at the back of Aztlan.





-Twist
"Soylent Green is people."
Message no. 36
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:40:43 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/1999 10:45:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Schizi@***.com writes:

> well, the extent of the "buyout" is not known right now. Perhaps the
FASACorp
>
> is purchased by Decipher, and the cost includes stock (assuming stock
> available, or % etc. ) in Decipher for the FASA heads?
> As I said on an AOL board, it seems strange to me that FASA would take
the
>
> time and money to get Ral Partha and go through with the MS deal, then
sell
> to Decipher unless;
> 1) They were seriously in the hole money-wise and had to

Not likely...I'm being serious here...

> 2) The new parent corp opened up more opportunities for FASA as a whole.

Very likely IMO ... Decipher is powerful force in its' own right.

> 3) The owners of FASA got offered such an excessive amount of money, they
> had
> to take it and run.


Very Possible, but that would depend on whether or not my gut instincts were
correct or not.

-K
Message no. 37
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:42:05 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/99 11:37:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cyberraven@********.net writes:

> If they use thier position for evil, then I propose a that we desend
upon
> them as the unruly mob that we are. I have a couple pitchforks and know
> how to make torches. Anyone else?
>
>


I know where to get the brain of Abby Normal, if that's a help.






-Twist
"I'm standing up for this woman's honor, which is more than she's ever done."
Message no. 38
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:46:33 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/1999 12:54:04 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
chrome@********.org writes:

> > > What's the point of having a website if it doesn't have much of any
> > content?
> > What's the point in selling gaming merchandise if you don't want
> > to make any
> > money?
>
> I agree, the website seems geared more towards marketing and sales. Why
> explain a game when that actually could draw away from people buying
> components of the game. If you want FAQs and How-Tos, there are plenty of
> fan sites that do such things.

The one thing I would like to throw into here however is the concept of
retaining "Fan Links" areas on the website itself. It would be a good idea
on their part(s; collective) here to retain and/or point out directions to
various "Fans of Game (X)" on their site(s).

-K (who also just remembered something between FASA and AOL...this could be
interesting indeed)
Message no. 39
From: Mist Warrior themistwarrior@********.com.au
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:46:42 +1000
And CyberRaven Wrote....

> If they use thier position for evil, then I propose a that we desend
upon
> them as the unruly mob that we are. I have a couple pitchforks and
know
> how to make torches. Anyone else?

Well I have a Hoe and a Pitchfork, I also can make torches, but I need
time to paddle over and I'll probably end up smelling like salt water
and dead fish :-))


Mist Warrior.
Message no. 40
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:55:53 -0700
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:

I'm hoping to get some replies along some special queries soon, if not, FASA

> Staff had better hope they're ready for the "What's Up with FASA" seminar
at
> Gencon...

OK, huge request. Unusual, but with the situation necessary. Guys, can somebody
goin to Gencon PLEASE bring a tape recorder to that, and do something of a
transcription of that seminar when they get back, or at least make NOTES from
said transcription or the seminar to post to the list? I think we'd ALL like to
know the *exact* answer to these questions.

John
Message no. 41
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:47:29 +0000
Has Decipher ever made anything but cardgames ? If not I find this
whole thing quite scarry ... uhhh it is like when Fasa Interactive
went to bed with big bad Bill and Microsoft. Uhhhh ...

Well lets hope it turns out for the best shall we (heck not much we
can do about it now anyway besides to nag about it if we don't like
it)

Hope they make a reprint of old SR books thou cause that sounds like
a much worthy cause so you can fill those gaps in the library.

Hope they retain the staff at FASA to so the game doesn't get all
freaky ...

Does this mean the next sourcebook will come in a little box on tiny
cards ? :)

-stefan

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Message no. 42
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:13:09 -0400
At 01.46 07-26-99 +1000, you wrote:
>time to paddle over and I'll probably end up smelling like salt water
>and dead fish :-))

It would only add to the Unruly Pesaents at the Gate (TM) atmosphere. <g>


CyberRaven
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat int he face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"'Impossible' is a term used by those of little imagination or intelligence
to describe that which they can not understand."
Message no. 43
From: Ignacio De Lucas morrisjila@*******.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 05:37:40 GMT
Well.............I guess I would have to agree with almost everyone in the
list when you say you dont know what to think of this, frankly y hadnt read
my mail for a while and the news of the......."UNION" to call it someway was
surprising, hopefully this will turnout well, personally im a big Star Wars
CCG fan and I think they hava done a great job putting it together, so IMHO
they do have the organization and capital to make SR grow. Lets hope it
turns out that way and not that the MEGACORP attitude sends the game and all
of FASA´s products to hell. For examle Here in México SR isnt the most
popular game, As a matter of fact Gaming stores arent that much of a popular
hobie, The only games that still come here commonly are MAGIC and AD&D so
imagine the dificulties we have to get the SR books, Hopefully the FASA +
Decipher "Mergure" (please correct me on that one) will help to bring more
products to the stores here in México.

ATTE el MORRIS


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Message no. 44
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:03:01 -0600
At 15:55 7/25/99 -0700, Penta wrote:

>OK, huge request. Unusual, but with the situation necessary. Guys, can
somebody
>goin to Gencon PLEASE bring a tape recorder to that, and do something of a
>transcription of that seminar when they get back, or at least make NOTES from
>said transcription or the seminar to post to the list? I think we'd ALL
like to
>know the *exact* answer to these questions.

Will happen, and will be part of TSS-11.

Thanks for reminding me, I need to buy some more tapes..

Adam
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 45
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:43:58 EDT
In a message dated 7/25/1999 2:56:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
cpenta@*****.com writes:

> > Staff had better hope they're ready for the "What's Up with FASA"
seminar
> at
> > Gencon...
>
> OK, huge request. Unusual, but with the situation necessary. Guys, can
> somebody
> goin to Gencon PLEASE bring a tape recorder to that, and do something of a
> transcription of that seminar when they get back, or at least make NOTES
> from
> said transcription or the seminar to post to the list? I think we'd ALL
like
> to
> know the *exact* answer to these questions.
>
I *think* AdamJ is bring his tape recorder, and I'm taking Mike B's new
digital camera (nice for quick pics to the web). I know I would *really*
like to see if anyone has a digital CAMCORDER, as I have had a flash of
inspiration.

-K
Message no. 46
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:18:49 -0400
All right, everyone. Here's the scoop as I hear it (and the source is
considered reliable).
Decipher did buy out FASA/Partha. According to what I hear, it happened
on Tuesday (last Tuesday I'm guessing). So the scoop is that it's all
true and we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
If I learn more, I'll let everyone know.

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Message no. 47
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:10:52 EDT
In a message dated 7/26/1999 9:35:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
griffinhq@****.com writes:

> All right, everyone. Here's the scoop as I hear it (and the source is
> considered reliable).
> Decipher did buy out FASA/Partha. According to what I hear, it
happened
> on Tuesday (last Tuesday I'm guessing). So the scoop is that it's all
> true and we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
> If I learn more, I'll let everyone know.

Hunter, I'm gonna beat you one up here....and the source is VERY reliable....

-=-=-=-
Subj: [PBEM-TC] Re: We Interupt This Program...
Date: 7/26/1999 9:46:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time
From: FASAMike@***.com
<snip certain addresses>

In a message dated 07/24/99 10:16:13 PM, HHackerH@***.com writes:
>Okay, I'm gonna be brave here. Question for Mike M., if he is able to
>answer
>for me (us) please.
>
>Decipher and FASA. What does this mean? You can imagine all the zillions
>of questions that bouncing around, and was curious if any information could
>be given out.
>
>Decipher buys FASA, which to me could mean something REALLY awesome.
> But, like all paranoid guys in training (TM), I'm also curious what this
means
>for our favorites FASA game, as well as its' staff.

<VERY MINOR SNIP>

The bottom line is that Decipher has offered a letter of intent to purchase
FASA. They haven't purchased FASA and nothing that FASA is doing is affected
at all. The process can take as long as 4 month just to hammer out the deal
with the deal itself taking even longer.

As you know Decipher has no RPG division and so for them to grow they need to
start one. They had two options: start their own or buy one. So, if you can
buy one with two of the best fictional worlds in the buisness (and both on
the rise in sales during a RPG drought) and 2 more on the way (plus a
miniature company) and have a successful RPG design house already up and
running for future options then you are ready to compete directly against the
only other big time player. That is their plan (or are at least what they are
attempting to do).

We have met with the CEO of Decipher and the plan would be for FASA to remain
as it is, where it is, with the staff it has (with the possible exception of
warehouse, sales and marketing). We are the RPG experts in the mix and the
CEO of Decipher says he plans to make sure we stay on as that, bowing to our
expertese of that format as well as our lines. My guess is they feel why
purchase them to be experts and then have outsiders mess with success. They
know the success of FASA is the people in the building and they plan on
making sure FASA stays successful. Funny how different their approach is from
other players in the field ;-)

FASA as it stands is still going stong. The SR product schedule has been
approved though 2001. I am still the line developer and will be as long as
you like my products (so like my freakin products!) (FYI ... Starlog has
started writing capsule reviews of SR products - the newest issue is on MITS
- look how far SR has come since SR3!) Btech, VOR and Crimson Skies have also
been approved through 2001.

Deep breath...calm down...everything is going to be fine.

Now back to out regularly scheduled program...

Have Fun!
Play Games!

Mike Mulvihill
Shadowrun Line Developer
FASA Corp
www.fasa.com

-=-=-=-=-

So, just for everyones' knowledge, THAT is the word as it falls as of Monday
Evening (North America); July 26th, 1999...a few other people on RN here got
this information at the same time I did...so you can verify that I'm not
making this one up...

-K
Message no. 48
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:33:01 -0500
> So, just for everyones' knowledge, THAT is the word as it falls as of
> Monday Evening (North America); July 26th, 1999...a few other people on
> RN here got this information at the same time I did...so you can verify
> that I'm not making this one up...

Consider it done. He is not making this one up.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 49
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:47:48 EDT
In a message dated 7/26/99 11:14:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike M. writes:

> As you know Decipher has no RPG division and so for them to grow they need
to
>
> start one. They had two options: start their own or buy one. So, if you
can
> buy one with two of the best fictional worlds in the buisness (and both on
> the rise in sales during a RPG drought) and 2 more on the way (plus a
> miniature company) and have a successful RPG design house already up and
> running for future options then you are ready to compete directly against
> the
> only other big time player. That is their plan (or are at least what they
> are
> attempting to do).


Notice the line "have a sccessful RPG design house already up and running for
future options". Hmm, I wonder what kind of RPG Decipher wants to put
out...in the future.....hum-hum.





-Twist
"Two thumbs up. Two severed thumbs."
Message no. 50
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: Decipher + FASA
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:38:27 -0400 (EDT)
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:Well.. I think the URL really explains it all.
:
:http://www.decipher.com/fasapressrelease.html

And here's another URL:

http://www.fasa.com/PressReleases/PRDecipher.html



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