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Message no. 1
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:48:27 -0500
:Wouldn't it make more sense for an Otaku to be faster, as they don't have
to
:go through any third-party interface, (if I understand correctly) they just
:need themselves, a datajack, and somewhere to plug in.


Faster than what? They are already faster than a decker who is not
using response increase circuitry (unless the decker is "hot" and using a
filter), and about as fast as any "native" matrix icon or being. Speed
really isn't an issue outside of cyber combat, when performing Sytem
Opperations, which is where Otaku excell. I can imagine its easier (and
safer) to learn system ops than combat, as well, especially for Otaku.
It is reasonable that there should be SOME way for Otaku to improve
thier various living persona statisctics, besideds improving thier
attributes, forms, and channels. Something along the line of Physad power
purchases with karma would work, though you'd have to decide what thier
"magic" rating was, and what costs various imrovements had.
Actually, building an Otaku from scratch, like a physad, would be cool,
if you wanted more variety. I may have to look at that. This also brings
up another point- you can't unexpectedly become a physad, just because you
are a good athelete / soldier/ whatever. I don't think deckers who are not
born with the potential can become Otaku.

:Just curious, as this not only would make more sense (to me at least) but
:would actually make it seem worthwhile to use an otaku, otherwise, it
:doesn't seem like they have any real advantages


The capabalities of an advanced Otaku are hard to exactly duplicate for
a normal decker, and some are theoretically impossible. For example, an
Otaku's Channels are (willpower linked) skills- they are NOT limited by
MPCP, so the Otaku can (theoretically) have sytem opperation TN's of 2- and
for all tests, not just those he has loaded programs for. Otaku also start
with a higher computer skill and higher natural intellegence than a decker,
and if they spend equal karma on that skill, the Otaku's skill will always
be higher; the deckers may even cost more to raise, even when its at a lower
level. And, if really tweaked, Otaku can start with a higher detection
factor than any decker is likely to achieve without a LOT of work. Otaku
also "upgrade" faster during game play, a major factor in campaigns whre
downtime is a rare luxury.
Also, Otaku should have some role-playting advantages, like info from
comrades in the Otaku community, mystic clues from the DR, and the ocassion
"act of god" that benefits them and whatever mysterious goals they may be
pursuing. At the very least, they should never have to worry about unwanted
information building up about them in any computer.

Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:40:09 +0200
> Mongoose [SMTP:m0ng005e@*********.com] wrote:
>
<snip>

>And, if really tweaked, Otaku can start with a higher detection
>factor than any decker is likely to achieve without a LOT of
work. Otaku
>also "upgrade" faster during game play, a major factor in
campaigns whre
>downtime is a rare luxury.
> Also, Otaku should have some role-playting advantages, like
info from
>comrades in the Otaku community, mystic clues from the DR, and
the ocassion
>"act of god" that benefits them and whatever mysterious goals
they may be
>pursuing. At the very least, they should never have to worry
about unwanted
>information building up about them in any computer.

>Mongoose

What is the actually detection factor for Otaku? I couldn't
find it in VR2.0, but I probably missed it.

Sven ;-)
Message no. 3
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:39:23 -0500
: What is the actually detection factor for Otaku? I couldn't
:find it in VR2.0, but I probably missed it.


Its figured it the same way as for deckers. Starting with a "Sleaze"
complex form is CRUCIAL, so R:AS provided it as an option. Starting deckers
are limited to a DF of 9 (in stelath mode), since they can't have programs
rated higher than 6. An Otaku's Stealth and Sleaze may be based on
attributtes, and those may be higher than 6.
This does bring 2 questions to my mind- can Otaku "run" in various BEMS
modes, like a decker? (I'd hope so, its powerful option). Second, is the
rating of an Otaku's complex form (or other program depoendant ratings)
limited by thier MPCP? (That second may be in Vr2.0, but I heven't seen
anything onthe first).

Mongoose
Message no. 4
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:51:30 -0500
On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:39:23 -0500 "Mongoose" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
writes:
>: What is the actually detection factor for Otaku? I couldn't
>:find it in VR2.0, but I probably missed it.

> Its figured it the same way as for deckers. Starting with a
"Sleaze"
>complex form is CRUCIAL, so R:AS provided it as an option. Starting
deckers
>are limited to a DF of 9 (in stelath mode), since they can't have
programs
>rated higher than 6. An Otaku's Stealth and Sleaze may be based on
>attributtes, and those may be higher than 6.

Can a cyberadept's +1 to complex forms' final ratings raise starting
forms above 6?

> This does bring 2 questions to my mind- can Otaku "run" in various
BEMS
>modes, like a decker? (I'd hope so, its powerful option).

I don't know ... I leaning towards no since their BEMS are linked
directly to their mental attributes. Do you know anyone who can shift
their mental attribute ratings? :)

>Second, is the
>rating of an Otaku's complex form (or other program depoendant ratings)
>limited by thier MPCP? (That second may be in Vr2.0, but I heven't
seen
>anything onthe first).

As far as I can tell, their MPCP does not restrict their Complex Forms
and they cannot run other programs.

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Message no. 5
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:26:32 -0400
At 03:51 PM 4/8/99 , dghost@****.com wrote:
>I don't know ... I leaning towards no since their BEMS are linked
>directly to their mental attributes. Do you know anyone who can shift
>their mental attribute ratings? :)

Some people say that I can. :)

Seriously, think of it as a shift in attitude, whether you go into the bar
yelling at the top of your lungs for the bartender or slinking in quietly.
Most deckers are going to have to shift their deck around to emphasize
certain characteristics of their icons (high body, evasion, etc). In a
certain way an otaku IS his icon. SO he just thinks about emphasizing
certain aspects of himself over others.

<Celebrity Deathmach ref>
Hmmmm. I'll allow it!
</Celebrity Deathmach ref>

Sommers
Insert witty quote here.
Message no. 6
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:23:45 -0500
On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:26:32 -0400 Sommers <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
writes:
>At 03:51 PM 4/8/99 , dghost@****.com wrote:
>>I don't know ... I leaning towards no since their BEMS are linked
>>directly to their mental attributes. Do you know anyone who can shift
>>their mental attribute ratings? :)

>Some people say that I can. :)
>
>Seriously, think of it as a shift in attitude, whether you go into the
bar
>yelling at the top of your lungs for the bartender or slinking in
quietly.
>Most deckers are going to have to shift their deck around to emphasize
>certain characteristics of their icons (high body, evasion, etc). In a
>certain way an otaku IS his icon. SO he just thinks about emphasizing
>certain aspects of himself over others.

I think that's a matter of downplaying one aspect in order to display an
aspect that might otherwise get drowned out. I don't think you are
actually increased the aspect. All joking aside, you don't become
smarter by becoming more nerish (ie shifting charisma to intelligence)
for five minutes. I don't know, it's a hard call. The shift of stats
to, say, masking could be viewed as weakening your signal in order to
make it easier to hide... The question is "Is the Living Persona the
fixed manifestation of the otaku's mind in the matrix or is a matrix
representation of that manifestation?"

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Message no. 7
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Decker/otaku initiation
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:09:15 -0500
> I'd say Gurth was (theoretically) correct, but the practicalities are,
> Otaku know stuff and have friends that normal deckers don't. The other
> concern is, things get into the Otaku that can't get into normal deckers-
> resonance is a two way street, and IMO, the Otaku exist more to benefit
the
> matrix than the other way around.

The only thing is, how do we convert this into something that could be
seen as an initiatory ability for otaku? (Those who are on NERPS have seen
the article containing what I've written on this subject so far; it needs
quite a bit of expansion, though, so I'm looking for ideas.)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The benefits confered on the living persona of a "Banded" Otaku are one
way that matrix entities have already directly impacted the function of
Otaku. The banded Otaku do not (always) undergo any of the stringent
chamical / BTL / IMS brainwashing the other banded do, but they still gain
benfits not confered by thier cyberware or mental attributes and skills.
R:AS calls this "transfiguration", but "group intiation with an
ordeal" may
be another way to look at it...

Mongoose

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