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Message no. 1
From: MKNABUSCH@******.BITNET
Subject: Deckers vs. Riggers
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 17:06:00 EDT
PLEASE DON'T THROW THIS OUT. It contains no flames.
I actually like riggers. Hades, ones has saved our butts more than
once. So Tailhook, if your reading this no hard feelings, eh?
'Sides I might even call you to get my dainty elven butt out of
a jam (right after I remove my feet from my mouth).
By the way, everyone keep an eye out for my protege, please.
He has a tendency to bite off more than he can chew. His names
Masque.
-Harlequin <Who was not here/He he he>

I do not bite off more than I can chew! So I diversified into
rigging and decking. Great spirit preserve me. Can I do
nothing right in your eyes? Anyway, look out Seattle, there's a
new kid in town. HEH HEH HEH!
-Masque <16:23:29/10-22-53>
Hey Masque! I hate to contradict you (being that you have such
a fragile ego) but those gear grinders we tangled with last week
wasn't a piece of soy cake. Lay off the throttle and engage brain.
-Sabre <16:34:12/10-22-53>

On the road you either lead, follow, or GET OUTTA THE WAY. Wasn't my
fault they couldn't handle their bikes that well and the van didn't
get too shot up.
-Masque <17:01:53/10-22-53>

Two hundred round isn't TOO SHOT UP?!? If I catch you round the
house, your hellbender food.
-Sabre & Harlequin <18:25:01/10-22-53>

WANTED: home with good roof and good food.
Willing to work. Am good mechanic and data
processor. Respond quickly
-Masque <18:30:21/10-22-53>
Message no. 2
From: Neil Smith <NSMITH@***.AC.UK>
Subject: Deckers vs Riggers
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 15:12:42 GMT
In the novel "Choose Your Enemies Carefully", the good guy's rigger
takes over a building by plugging into it via a rigger port,
"becomes" the building and then controls all the building systems as
if they were a part of the rigger's body (as riggers do).

No problems so far. But, what if a decker then entered the building
computer and tried to make it do things the rigger didn't like? This
raises all sorts of interesting questions, like:

Would the decker be able to do anything?

Would the rigger be able to do anything?

What would the rigger feel with respect to the deckers meddling?

What would happen if the decker and rigger both wanted the same bit
of kit to do the different things?

Could the decker identify the rigger as an entity in the matrix?

Could the rigger identify the decker as something "inside" him?

Could the decker directly influence/attack/dump the rigger?

Could the rigger directly influence/attack/dump the decker?

Could the rigger get brain-burnt? (i.e. attack & sleaze programs)

If the rigger isn't supposed to be there, what about IC?

[If this discussion has taken place before, please let me know what
the results were.]

Neil.
Message no. 3
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Deckers vs Riggers
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 17:13:35 +0100
Firstly I think FASA do intend to come out with rules for riggers controlling
securiuty systems. Expect to see it in the corporate secuirty catalogue I'd
guess.

Apart from that the follow replies are all IMO

> Would the decker be able to do anything?

Depends on the system. If virtual connections were used then use, if not
then no.

> Would the rigger be able to do anything?

Virtual systems the rigger would be able to restablish the virtual link but
would find the port already in use. The rigger may be able to activate IC to
free up the port or send the equivalent of a smart frame to find out what was
happening to the device.

If the device is hardwired <ie directly connected to a physical port> then the
rigger should be able to reset any line with relative ease.

> What would the rigger feel with respect to the deckers meddling?

Probably disconnection, though I suspect the rigger could attack connections
and maybe cause an equivalent of an IC attack down the rigger's perception
lines.

> What would happen if the decker and rigger both wanted the same bit
> of kit to do the different things?

Again depends on the kit, a virtual connection will be much easier for a
decker to take control of than a rigger.

> Could the decker identify the rigger as an entity in the matrix?

Probably not, though the decker might suspect that certain routines were not
being run from a program in a SPU or whatever,

> Could the rigger identify the decker as something "inside" him

Maybe, depends on the decker's masking attribute and any sensors of the computer
system and how intelligent the rigger is.

> Could the decker directly influence/attack/dump the rigger?

Maybe, through certain connections feedback could be induced. This would
be much more difficult than fighting IC though.

> Could the rigger directly influence/attack/dump the decker?

Probably not, though the rigger would be able to send IC after the decker if
he knew where the decker was.

> Could the rigger get brain-burnt? (i.e. attack & sleaze programs)

By those little programs ? I doubt it, maybe a variation of inverted black IC
would affect the rigger but it would need careful decker control.

> If the rigger isn't supposed to be there, what about IC?

Err ?

> [If this discussion has taken place before, please let me know what
> the results were.]

Never occured before to my knowledge, an interesting topic as well which I
suspect most people will duck as they're not really sure themselves as to
what should happen.

Phill.
--
Phillip Steele - Email address P.C.Steele@***.ac.uk | Fighting against
Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | Political Correctness !
University Of Newcastle Upon Tyne, England |
Land of the mad Geordies | The Powerhouse
Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Deckers vs Riggers
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 13:21:07 -0400
>>>>> "Neil" == Neil Smith <NSMITH@***.ac.uk> writes:

Neil> In the novel "Choose Your Enemies Carefully", the good guy's rigger
Neil> takes over a building by plugging into it via a rigger port,
Neil> "becomes" the building and then controls all the building systems as
Neil> if they were a part of the rigger's body (as riggers do).

What the rigger is doing is taking control of the hardware directly,
effectively bypassing any centralized software control systems.

Neil> Would the decker be able to do anything?

Yes.

Neil> Would the rigger be able to do anything?

Yes.

Neil> What would the rigger feel with respect to the deckers meddling?

That's up to the rigger in question, isn't it :).

Neil> What would happen if the decker and rigger both wanted the same bit
Neil> of kit to do the different things?

Rigger wins; he's got direct control over the hardware.

Neil> Could the decker identify the rigger as an entity in the matrix?

No; the rigger isn't in the matrix.

Neil> Could the rigger identify the decker as something "inside" him?

No; the rigger isn't tied into the matrix.

Neil> Could the decker directly influence/attack/dump the rigger?

No; the rigger isn't involved with the matrix.

Neil> Could the rigger directly influence/attack/dump the decker?

No; the rigger isn't dealing with the matrix.

Neil> Could the rigger get brain-burnt? (i.e. attack & sleaze programs)

No; the rigger has nothing to do with the matrix.

Neil> If the rigger isn't supposed to be there, what about IC?

IC outside the matrix? You're kidding, right?

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Message no. 5
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Deckers vs Riggers
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:34:08 -0400
On Thu, 28 Jul 1994, The Powerhouse wrote:

> Firstly I think FASA do intend to come out with rules for riggers controlling
> securiuty systems. Expect to see it in the corporate secuirty catalogue I'd
> guess.
>
Concider this a confirmation..I know the guy that is working on that
little problem..

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Message no. 6
From: Alexander Borghgraef <Alexander.Borghgraef@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: Deckers vs Riggers
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 13:32:55 --100
>Neil> In the novel "Choose Your Enemies Carefully", the good guy's rigger
>Neil> takes over a building by plugging into it via a rigger port,
>Neil> "becomes" the building and then controls all the building systems
as
>Neil> if they were a part of the rigger's body (as riggers do).

>What the rigger is doing is taking control of the hardware directly,
>effectively bypassing any centralized software control systems.

>Neil> Would the decker be able to do anything?


You cannot just take control of the hardware,you need software to do that.
The building would have a software interface that translates the building's
output into the rigger's sensations ant translates the rigger's brain's commands
into software commands to the building's hardware.If the building's computer
system is accesible by matrix, then a decker can get in and mess with the
interface programs thereby screwin' up the rigger's controls.And if he can
find a way to overload the rigger's access port , then he can even fry the
rigger's brain (SPLAT!).
Of course the idea of someone who BECOMES a computer system isn't bad.
You might write a rigger program that allows him to becomes one with the system
so that he can control building security, data security etc.Wouldn't be your
average rigger though.(He would become nuts I suppose,to many different inputs)

>Neil> If the rigger isn't supposed to be there, what about IC?

If the building isn't rigged, then how would he get in?


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