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Message no. 1
From: Flint <Mathieu.Dhondt@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:41:27 +0100
Decking:
How do you peeps roleplay decking? Although my decker (I'm the GM) is
terribly interested in the whole matter, I don't thin khe'll put up with
the : "Right. Node up ahead. Prolly SPU. As far as you see, no ice. Now
roll yer dice)" thing.
Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)
The Sammie Book, aka SSC:
AFAIK (ie I could be confused... again) there's an SSC 2. Is this an
updated version of SSC (ie with the balck book rules) or is this a
completely different list of weapons and stuff? Also, what's the
difference between SSC and Fields Of Fire?
Oh, and something else:
I heard the hardcover rulebooks of SRII are out of print, and that they
only produce the softcovers? Am I the proud owner of a future collector's
item (future, like in 2053 ;)
And... What's the last hardcover errata sheet?

Well, that's it then...

"My boy, if ever you are lost at sea, drop right in and think of me."
- J. Heller
Message no. 2
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:53:36 +0100
> Decking:
> How do you peeps roleplay decking? Although my decker (I'm the GM) is
> terribly interested in the whole matter, I don't thin khe'll put up with
> the : "Right. Node up ahead. Prolly SPU. As far as you see, no ice. Now
> roll yer dice)" thing.
I'm programming on a "automatic" decking system. Sit the player before
the pc and let him do the decking. In the meantime GM handles other
player. But this programm will not be ready for a year or so.
Another solution: Small groups, with more than one decker. We had a
group consisting of 2 Deckers and a shaman, which works pretty good.
Both decker were also into firearms and combat, there very good
adventures in it. (Kind of combat decking)
"you need a physical penetration. We're your guys!"

> Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
> dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
> just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)
I'm not sure, either. In the books they can appear in human form, kind
of illusion spell, 'cause astral, they were dragon.

> The Sammie Book, aka SSC:
> AFAIK (ie I could be confused... again) there's an SSC 2. Is this an
> updated version of SSC (ie with the balck book rules) or is this a
> completely different list of weapons and stuff? Also, what's the
> difference between SSC and Fields Of Fire?
It's only a updated version. FoF is merc stuff. Military hardware, youre
player aren't likly to lay their hands on.

bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 3
From: Mark Imbriaco <mark@********.IP.NET>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:35:39 -0500
On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Stefan Struck wrote:

> > Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
> > dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
> > just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)
>
> I'm not sure, either. In the books they can appear in human form, kind
> of illusion spell, 'cause astral, they were dragon.
>
I would have to disagree here.. I think they can enter a human(oid)
form. In the books, you've had characters who we later found out
were really dragons stepping out of cars and such. Doesn't really
sound like an illusion. It's probably similar to the ability that
Shapeshifters have in SR. If you read the rules for Shapeshifters,
you'll notice that in the Astral, their aura is that of their
animal form.

mark

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Message no. 4
From: Chris McKinnon <cmckinno@********.CA>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:19:17 -0400
On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Flint wrote:

> Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
> dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
> just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)

If you read on of Tom Dowd's short stories, the one where Dunkelzahn goes
to see Harlequin (I can't remember the name off hand), - H -'s assistant
is talking to the dragon one moment, and then is staring into the sky, as
he transforms into a human. She makes some comment, and D's reply is
something like:
"Oh. Keep it a secret. We don't like others to know we can do this."
(paraphrased - of course)
I think that it could be a spell, or a natural ability that _great_
dragons may be able to perform, that isn't listed in the Black Book.

Thought this might help you.


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Message no. 5
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:00:35 -0500
On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Flint wrote:

> How do you peeps roleplay decking? Although my decker (I'm the GM) is
> terribly interested in the whole matter, I don't thin khe'll put up with
> the : "Right. Node up ahead. Prolly SPU. As far as you see, no ice. Now
> roll yer dice)" thing.

That's often enough for me (I play the decker in the party), but
it could be made more interesting (if you're so inclined) with flashy
visuals and such. Ask your player to read the story in the back of
Virtual Realities, if you've got it -- that puts everything into much more
perspective.

> The Sammie Book, aka SSC:
> AFAIK (ie I could be confused... again) there's an SSC 2. Is this an
> updated version of SSC (ie with the balck book rules) or is this a
> completely different list of weapons and stuff? Also, what's the
> difference between SSC and Fields Of Fire?

I think SSC II is somewhere in the planning stages, but is not out
yet (I'm sure somebody on this list knows, but they could be set NOMAIL
for the holidays. If you don't get an answer, try again around January
20th -- everybody should be back by then.)
Fields of Fire is meant more for mercenaries than your average
street sammie. Equipment listed in there is _nasty_ -- the kind of stuff
that cops on the street would try to take away from you based only on
looks, because they themselves have never seen it before! After it came
out, the general consensus here on ShadowRN was that you'd only want to
give your PC's access to it if you want a much, much more lethal and
combat-oriented game.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@***.NL>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:45:16 +0100
>Decking:
>How do you peeps roleplay decking? Although my decker (I'm the GM) is
>terribly interested in the whole matter, I don't thin khe'll put up with
>the : "Right. Node up ahead. Prolly SPU. As far as you see, no ice. Now
>roll yer dice)" thing.

Exactly part of the problem I have with decking, too :)

>Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
>dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
>just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)

That's what I was wondering about as well. From Bottled Demon, I gather that
some dragons can and some can't. Deciding for yourself would be the best
option, IMO.

>The Sammie Book, aka SSC:
>AFAIK (ie I could be confused... again) there's an SSC 2. Is this an
>updated version of SSC (ie with the balck book rules) or is this a
>completely different list of weapons and stuff? Also, what's the
>difference between SSC and Fields Of Fire?

SSC2 is simply SSC updated to second edition rules. They dropped a few items
(IPE grenades, Firepower ammo, maybe something else too). I own SSC1, and
simply pencilled in the SR2 damage codes and things.
FOF is something completely different than the SSC. It has a bit on merc
operations (how mercs think and work, mainly), a section with new gear
(mostly weapons, but also some comm gear, vehicles, and general equipment),
and a chapter with rules clarifications and expansions. The last part of the
book has tables with almost all SR2 equipment (like those in the back of the
SSC, but much expanded).

>I heard the hardcover rulebooks of SRII are out of print, and that they
>only produce the softcovers? Am I the proud owner of a future collector's
>item (future, like in 2053 ;)

I believe the hardcover was a limited edition in 1992/93 (product number
7900, with the softback being 7901, I think). I don't know how many were
printed, though.


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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@***.NL>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:45:21 +0100
>I'm programming on a "automatic" decking system. Sit the player before
>the pc and let him do the decking. In the meantime GM handles other

Weren't you doing the same thing more than six months ago?


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Message no. 8
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:22:54 -0500
On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Mark Imbriaco wrote:

[Stuff about Dragon's changing form being a natural power]

Most dragons are magically active, natch? Thus, they probably use either
the Shapechange or (Critter) Form spell. (From the grimything). This
leaves the arua untouched, retain intelligence, though it must be either
sustained or locked, or Quickened... Anyway

Shadow
Message no. 9
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:42:20 +0100
Mark writes:
> > I'm not sure, either. In the books they can appear in human form, kind
> > of illusion spell, 'cause astral, they were dragon.
> >
> I would have to disagree here.. I think they can enter a human(oid)
> form. In the books, you've had characters who we later found out
> were really dragons stepping out of cars and such. Doesn't really
> sound like an illusion. It's probably similar to the ability that
> Shapeshifters have in SR. If you read the rules for Shapeshifters,
> you'll notice that in the Astral, their aura is that of their
> animal form.
Yes, you're right. Have to think first and write later.
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 10
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:59:09 +0100
Gurth writes:
>
> >I'm programming on a "automatic" decking system. Sit the player before
> >the pc and let him do the decking. In the meantime GM handles other
>
> Weren't you doing the same thing more than six months ago?

Yes, but I didn't post anything on that issue, so there's someone
else out there who's doing the same.
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 11
From: The Passman <pshryer@*.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:12:02 -0600
> Decking:
No, Idea, but I'd like to know too.

> Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
> dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
> just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)
Well apparently at least greater dragons can(at least Bottled Demon says
so), but I don't know about young dragons.

> The Sammie Book, aka SSC:
> AFAIK (ie I could be confused... again) there's an SSC 2. Is this an
> updated version of SSC (ie with the balck book rules) or is this a
> completely different list of weapons and stuff? Also, what's the
> difference between SSC and Fields Of Fire?
SCC 2 is just the SCC updated to 2nd edition rules.


The Passman
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And yes, I'm still looking for conversion rules for SR and storyteller.
Message no. 12
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:26:39 +0930
> >Dragons: I asked this before, but no-one seems to have read it *sob* Can
> >dragons enter a humanoid form, ie can they shapchange at will, or am I
> >just confused? (btw: what corps have a dragon as their CEO?)
>
> That's what I was wondering about as well. From Bottled Demon, I gather that
> some dragons can and some can't. Deciding for yourself would be the best
> option, IMO.
>

No, they can't shapechange at will. Yes, they can use spells to do so.
Remember, most dragons (and all Greater Dragons) are powerful
spellcasters.


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Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Message no. 13
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Decking, Dragons ans The Sammie Book.
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 16:08:41 -0500
On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Stefan Struck wrote:

> Gurth writes:
> >
> > >I'm programming on a "automatic" decking system. Sit the player
before
> > >the pc and let him do the decking. In the meantime GM handles other
> >
> > Weren't you doing the same thing more than six months ago?
>
> Yes, but I didn't post anything on that issue, so there's someone
> else out there who's doing the same.

There've been a number of people who said they were going to
totally re-work the decking system (either on paper or by programming
something), and then disappeared...too much work, I guess.
If anybody succeeds with one, either on paper or for MS-DOS,
Windoze, or OS/2, I'd love to see it.

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