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From:	Kenneth Vinson kennethv@****.wisc.edu
Subject:	demographics
Date:	Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:03:23 -0500

Message no. 1 Greetings to all and sundry,

After a six year hiatus from GM'ing Shadowrun I have recently
started running a new Shadowrun game for some friends. Along with
getting caught up with the last few years worth of sourcebooks and
updates I also thought it prudent to subscribe to the ShadowRN list
after seeing it mentioned in several SR websites. After lurking for a
couple of days I am already impressed with the ability of participants
to stay mostly on topic. This in comparison White Wolf's Werewolf list,
which is a flaming mess much of the time. Anyways, I have been
bombarded by a few of my players with questions regarding 6th world
demographics. So here are a few of their questions that I'm throwing
out here in case anyone has already done some thinking along these
lines.

1. What percentage (approximately) of the UCAS population is SIN'less?
2. What percentage of the various metatypes in the UCAS are SIN'less?
Presumably humans with the lowest percentage, followed by elves, etc.
3. Of the overall SIN'less population, what proportion are non-human?
4. What is the approximate population of the UCAS?
5. If one is a non-shadowrunner average joe unfortunate enough to be
born in the Barrens without a SIN, what is the process by which such a
person would go about procuring a valid SIN? Can orks of "middle
lifestyle" living in the Ork Underground of Seattle just walk out into
the light and claim a SIN? Or is my presumption that most inhabitants
of the Underground are SIN'less erroneous in the first place?

I could probably come up with these statistics on my own but I
thought somebody on this list may have already done more research and/or
thinking on the topic. Any input would be appreciated.

-Ken

P.S. Has anyone else noticed that the population and racial makeup of
Seattle changed not a whit in eleven years if you compare the stats in
the old Seattle Sourcebook and New Seattle? Seems a bit fishy to me;
probably due to editorial oversight or laziness. ;)

--
Kenneth H. Vinson
kenneth.vinson@****.wisc.edu

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	demographics
Date:	Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:26:39 +0200

Message no. 2 According to Kenneth Vinson, at 15:03 on 4 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> After lurking for a couple of days I am already impressed with the
> ability of participants to stay mostly on topic.

You're joking, right? :)

> 1. What percentage (approximately) of the UCAS population is SIN'less?

No idea... That doesn't really turn up in any statistics or surveys, does
it?

> 2. What percentage of the various metatypes in the UCAS are SIN'less?
> Presumably humans with the lowest percentage, followed by elves, etc.

See above, though your reasoning is porbably more or less right -- I'd
expect there to be more SINless orks and trolls than humans and elves,
certainly.

> 3. Of the overall SIN'less population, what proportion are non-human?

Again, I have no clue.

> 4. What is the approximate population of the UCAS?

Typical... I thought "This'll be in the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North
America," but all that mentions are the populations for some cities, not
for the UCAS as a whole. FWIW, Seattle has roughly 3 million citizens.

> 5. If one is a non-shadowrunner average joe unfortunate enough to be
> born in the Barrens without a SIN, what is the process by which such a
> person would go about procuring a valid SIN?

Without a SIN you're a "probationary citizen" according to the 14th
amendment to the UCAS constitution (Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North
America, p. 82). To get a full SIN, you'd probably go to some government
agency (city hall, whatever) and to the person behind the desk announce
that you want to apply for UCAS citizenship, could they point you to the
right office where you can fill out an application. Then you'd have to go
through lots of paperwork, question sessions, and more before the
government decides whether or not they want to have you as a citizen.

Alternatively, you can commit a crime and be arrested for it. If you don't
have a valid SIN, one will be assigned to you immediately to track you
through the justice system. The down side of this is that you
automatically have a criminal record tied to your new SIN...

> Can orks of "middle lifestyle" living in the Ork Underground of Seattle
> just walk out into the light and claim a SIN? Or is my presumption that
> most inhabitants of the Underground are SIN'less erroneous in the first
> place?

I'd guess that most of the orks and trolls living in the Ork Underground
have SINs -- it's mostly under downtown Seattle, north of the Renraku
Arcology (if you have a first-edition SR main rulebook, there's a map in
the back which you can compare to the map of downtown to figure out the
exact limits of the Underground). In theory, it shouldn't make a
difference if the applicant is an ork, a human, or some other subspecies
of Homo sapiens -- again, this is by the 14th amendment I mentioned above.
In practice, I'd say it depends on how the people dealing with the
application view other races.

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