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From: shadowrn@*********.com (darren gilliver)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Wed Aug 14 17:20:01 2002
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Im sure some of you will be able to help me with this one.

Me and Phil have been throwing around a few ideas for a campaign set in the mid 2070's to
2080's.

Some of the new tech advances we thought of were (in no particular order)

Cloned bioware,New cyberware grades/enhanced cybermancy,and my personal favorite gene
engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff like that I think).

These all sound likely to my own laymans ears(not laramans ears *winks to any rogue trader
players*)

Now the trouble is me and phil know a lot about nothing when it comes to "real
world" science,so if anyone has any ideas or know how about how tech would be likely
to advance in the sixth world id be damn greatfull if you'd share it with me.

Thanks in advance.

The inimitable Darren (yeah right,your just a washed up old bum. I don't know why you even
bother!)




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<P>Im sure some of you will be able to help me with this one.</P>
<P>Me and Phil have been throwing around a few ideas for a campaign set in the mid
2070's to 2080's.</P>
<P>Some of the new tech advances we thought of were (in no particular
order)</P>
<P>Cloned bioware,New cyberware grades/enhanced cybermancy,and my personal favorite
gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff like that&nbsp;I think).</P>
<P>These all sound likely to my own laymans ears(not laramans ears *winks to any
rogue trader players*)</P>
<P>Now the trouble is me and phil know a lot about nothing when it comes to
"real world" science,so if anyone has any ideas or know how about how tech would
be likely to advance in the sixth world id be damn greatfull if you'd share it with
me.</P>
<P>Thanks in advance.</P>
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Wed Aug 14 18:40:01 2002
>Me and Phil have been throwing around a few ideas for a campaign set in the
>mid 2070's to 2080's.

One important thing you need to thnk of is how the world has changed in 20
years with regards to the SR Status Quo. Is everything the same but more
modern or have there been dramatic changes. THis will affect which tech has
been developed as the corporations are about money, and if they still rule
then they will mainly be concerned with what earns them the all pwerful big
Donero(sp?)

>Cloned bioware

What do you mean by this?

>New cyberware grades/enhanced cybermancy

You might want to think of things that blur the boundary between Bioware and
Cyberware, things that have an essense cost and a bioindex. Maybe headware
memory that uses actual neurons, or wired reflexes that have a reduced
essence cost but a bioindex.

>and my personal favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff
>like that I think).

Something I thought about, bioware that was a part of the person from
conception, as well as the person being engineered to have "gaps" for
cyberware, thus reducing the essence cost. This makes for awesome cyber
assassins.

>These all sound likely to my own laymans ears(not laramans ears *winks to
>any rogue trader players*)

Never played Rogue Trader, but my 40k book tell me what that is...

>Now the trouble is me and phil know a lot about nothing when it comes to
>"real world" science,so if anyone has any ideas or know how about how tech
>would be likely to advance in the sixth world id be damn greatfull if you'd
>share it with me.

Hmmmm, well I might be able to help with the Genetic and Biochemical stuff
(I'm doing my Masters in Biochemistry at the moment). Anything specific you
want?


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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Wed Aug 14 20:35:01 2002
darren gilliver writes:

> Me and Phil have been throwing around a few ideas for a campaign set in
> the mid 2070's to 2080's.

Although not exactly the right tech level or era, most of William Gibson's
novels have some really imaginative technology ideas in them that would
almost perfectly mesh with what you want.

> Cloned bioware

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this one.

> New cyberware grades/enhanced cybermancy

Easy enough to do, but not especially creative ;-).

> and my personal favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff
> like that I think).

This is a huge field, and has already been touched on to a point in SR. Have
you seen Shadowtech? Leonisation is a genetic technique for extending
lifespan. There are also a bunch of other genetech things in Shadowtech that
never made it to 3rd Edition. They might be worth checking out.

Genetic engineering can be as simple as splicing genes from other organisms
into humans (think toxin resistances, or biological armour plating and
such). It can also be as far out as customising the user's genetic makeup
(think enhanced frame strength, engineered Edges/Flaws, magical
manipulation, and so on).

> Now the trouble is me and phil know a lot about nothing when it comes to
> "real world" science,so if anyone has any ideas or know how about how tech
> would be likely to advance in the sixth world id be damn greatfull if you'd
> share it with me.

It's more or less open to debate. But I would imagine that technological
advances would be driven primarily by society. If the world drifts along
nicely with no major upheavals in your 20 year timeline, then a far amount
of luxury items might be developed. If a war intervenes, then expect a lot
of military development, but probably with a couple of major tehcnological
breakthroughs that have civilian applications (there's nothing like a war to
spur on inventiveness ;-)). If you want to go for space exploration, think
low grav developmets for cyberware and such. Basically, I think that you
should start with imagining the style of world you're looking at, and then
fitting the right advances into it.

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Wed Aug 14 21:45:02 2002
>Genetic engineering can be as simple as splicing genes from other organisms
>into humans (think toxin resistances, or biological armour plating and
>such). It can also be as far out as customising the user's genetic makeup
>(think enhanced frame strength, engineered Edges/Flaws, magical
>manipulation, and so on).

In one of the SR novels a corporation engineered a huge troll like being
from a mix of metahuman dna.
One thing they may have found by then is how to isolate and use genes from
awakend animals and combine them as necessary. Imagine a human spy with
adaptive colouration, or a unit of guards with an empathetic link with each
other, all done with their DNA rather than with magic. A huge advance would
be the ability to alter someones DNA after they are fully grown, and to have
it expressed fully.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 04:25:01 2002
>From: darren gilliver <chrome_ghoul@*****.com>
>Some of the new tech advances we thought of were (in no particular order)
>
>Cloned bioware,New cyberware grades/enhanced cybermancy,and my personal
>favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff like that I
>think).

How about things like artificial SURGE, hey maybe something else has
happened which changes everything even more.

Cultured bioware is cloned, at least the way I read it. Basic is simple
blood and tissue type matched while cultured is actually grown to suit using
retroviruses to bring everything together.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (darren gilliver)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 14:15:06 2002
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Bryan Pow <bryan_pow@*******.com> wrote:
>One important thing you need to thnk of is how the world has changed in 20
years with regards to the SR Status Quo. Is everything the same but more
modern or have there been dramatic changes. THis will affect which tech has
been developed as the corporations are about money, and if they still rule
then they will mainly be concerned with what earns them the all pwerful big
Donero(sp?)>

The major events in our timeline are, the deveolpment of two orbiting
arcologies(2060-2076),Seattle being annexed by the NAN(2062),and the death of lofwyr(2070)

Im still working through the larger implications and reasons behind these so I would be
gratefull for any ideas people have.

>>Cloned bioware

>What do you mean by this?

Okay i'll come clean. I have no idea,it just sounded cool and I was sure someone on the
list would make sense of it *smirks*

>and my personal favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff
>like that I think).

>Something I thought about, bioware that was a part of the person from
conception, as well as the person being engineered to have "gaps" for
cyberware, thus reducing the essence cost. This makes for awesome cyber
assassins.

I didn't consider this,but in SLA industries if you get a genetic modification there is a
fifty percent chance that your children will inherit it,I was planning on useing that.

>These all sound likely to my own laymans ears(not laramans ears *winks to
>any rogue trader players*)

>Never played Rogue Trader, but my 40k book tell me what that is...

Rogue trader is 40K's true name,from when it was first published in 1987(i think).

Darren(once killed a gator with his bare hands)




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<P>
<P>&nbsp; <B><I>Bryan Pow
&lt;bryan_pow@*******.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
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<P>&gt;One important thing you need to thnk of is how the world has changed in
20 <BR>years with regards to the SR Status Quo. Is everything the same but more
<BR>modern or have there been dramatic changes. THis will affect which tech has
<BR>been developed as the corporations are about money, and if they still rule
<BR>then they will mainly be concerned with what earns them the all pwerful big
<BR>Donero(sp?)&gt;</P>
<P>The major events in our timeline are, the deveolpment of two orbiting
arcologies(2060-2076),Seattle being annexed by the NAN(2062),and the death of
lofwyr(2070)</P>
<P>Im still working through the larger implications and reasons behind these so I
would be gratefull for any ideas people have.<BR><BR>&gt;&gt;Cloned
bioware<BR><BR>&gt;What do you mean by this?</P>
<P>Okay i'll come clean. I have no idea,it just sounded cool and&nbsp;I was sure
someone on the list would make sense of it *smirks*<BR><BR>&gt;and my
personal favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff <BR>&gt;like
that I think).<BR><BR>&gt;Something I thought about, bioware that was a
part of the person from <BR>conception, as well as the person being engineered to
have "gaps" for <BR>cyberware, thus reducing the essence cost. This makes
for awesome cyber <BR>assassins.</P>
<P>I didn't consider this,but in SLA industries if you get a genetic modification
there is a fifty percent chance that your children will inherit it,I was planning on
useing that.<BR><BR>&gt;These all sound likely to my own laymans ears(not
laramans ears *winks to <BR>&gt;any rogue trader
players*)<BR><BR>&gt;Never played Rogue Trader, but my 40k book tell me
what that is...</P>
<P>Rogue trader is 40K's true name,from when it was first published in 1987(i
think).</P>
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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (darren gilliver)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 14:25:02 2002
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Damion Milliken <dam01@***.edu.au> wrote:
>Although not exactly the right tech level or era, most of William Gibson's
novels have some really imaginative technology ideas in them that would
almost perfectly mesh with what you want.>

Yeah,I was planning on stealing as much as I can from Gibson(especially the chain gun from
all tomorrows parties)

> Cloned bioware

>I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this one.

Me niether. ;)

> and my personal favorite gene engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff
> like that I think).

>This is a huge field, and has already been touched on to a point in SR. Have
you seen Shadowtech? Leonisation is a genetic technique for extending
lifespan. There are also a bunch of other genetech things in Shadowtech that
never made it to 3rd Edition. They might be worth checking out.>

I have seen the book but never really read it,anyone have any ideas where I could get it
these days?

>Basically, I think that you
should start with imagining the style of world you're looking at, and then
fitting the right advances into it.>

Well I tend to favor games that lean more to guns,attitude and chrome then magic,so for
the moment im looking for new toys(although I do plan to alter magic in some ways)


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<P>&nbsp; <B><I>Damion Milliken
&lt;dam01@***.edu.au&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
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<P>&gt;Although not exactly the right tech level or era, most of William
Gibson's<BR>novels have some really imaginative technology ideas in them that
would<BR>almost perfectly mesh with what you want.&gt;</P>
<P>Yeah,I was planning on stealing as much as&nbsp;I can from Gibson(especially
the chain gun from all tomorrows parties)<BR><BR>&gt; Cloned
bioware<BR><BR>&gt;I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this
one.</P>
<P>Me niether. ;)<BR><BR>&gt; and my personal favorite gene
engineered enhancedments(longevity and stuff<BR>&gt; like that I
think).<BR><BR>&gt;This is a huge field, and has already been touched on
to a point in SR. Have<BR>you seen Shadowtech? Leonisation is a genetic technique
for extending<BR>lifespan. There are also a bunch of other genetech things in
Shadowtech that<BR>never made it to 3rd Edition. They might be worth checking
out.&gt;</P>
<P>I have seen the book but never really read it,anyone have any ideas
where&nbsp;I could get it these days?<BR><BR>&gt;Basically, I think
that you<BR>should start with imagining the style of world you're looking at, and
then<BR>fitting the right advances into it.&gt;</P>
<P>Well I tend to favor games that lean more to guns,attitude and chrome then
magic,so for the moment im looking for new toys(although&nbsp;I do plan to alter magic
in some ways)<BR></P>
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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (darren gilliver)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 14:25:05 2002
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Lone Eagle <loneeagle2061@*******.com> wrote:

>How about things like artificial SURGE, hey maybe something else has
happened which changes everything even more.>

What is SURGE?,The only place i've seen it mentioned is the new threats book but that
didn't really tell me much.

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<P><BR>&gt;How about things like artificial SURGE, hey maybe something
else has <BR>happened which changes everything even more.&gt;</P>
<P>What is SURGE?,The only place i've seen it mentioned is the new threats book but
that didn't really tell me much.</P>
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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shiva Khan)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 17:25:01 2002
SURGE is explained in the Year of the Comet book. My players and I have
had a little fun with the SURGE stuff. That is enough out of me though.

S.K.

> What is SURGE?,The only place i've seen it mentioned is the new
threats book but that didn't really tell me much.
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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Shiva Khan)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 17:25:06 2002
SURGE is explained in the Year of the Comet book. My players and I have
had a little fun with the SURGE stuff. That is enough out of me though.

S.K.

> What is SURGE?,The only place i've seen it mentioned is the new
threats book but that didn't really tell me much.
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Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Thu Aug 15 23:35:02 2002
>The major events in our timeline are, the deveolpment of two orbiting
>arcologies(2060-2076)

Who gets to live in these and how often is air traffic between them and
earth. Orbiting archologies sounds very much like Gibson, where the orbital
platforms are where the corps sit while the rest fester on earth.


>Seattle being annexed by the NAN(2062)

Without a war?

>and the death of lofwyr(2070)

How did he kark it?

>I didn't consider this,but in SLA industries if you get a genetic
>modification there is a fifty percent chance that your children will
>inherit it,I was planning on useing that.

SLA industries?

> >Never played Rogue Trader, but my 40k book tell me what that is...
>
>Rogue trader is 40K's true name,from when it was first published in 1987(i
>think).

I realised that. I've reaD Rogue Trader, and it is a very different game to
the present 40k.

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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Fri Aug 16 04:55:01 2002
According to darren gilliver, on Thu, 15 Aug 2002 the word on the street was...

[Shadowtech]
> I have seen the book but never really read it,anyone have any ideas where
> I could get it these days?

I'd guess GenCon UK, two weeks from now, would be a good place to look :)


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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Fri Aug 16 09:00:01 2002
darren gilliver writes:

> The major events in our timeline are, the deveolpment of two orbiting
> arcologies(2060-2076)

This would undoubtably imply significant advances in space technology, and
associated aerotech fields. Additionally, with large populations in space,
medical, biological, food production, and such fields will have advanced or
at least veered off in order to cater for space dwelling people. Also, with
zero-g habitats that are very large and have (presumably) large full time
resident populations, advanced manufacturing in no gravity can be
undertaken. This allows advances in materials engineering to a good extent,
and could be used as a basis for explaining many other technological
advances, too.

> Seattle being annexed by the NAN(2062)

This is more political than technological, but it could have ramifications,
depending upon how messy it all was.

> and the death of lofwyr(2070)

This is very much economic. And with all the "pet" projects that the great
wyrm had going, the fallout would be as significant as the Big D kicking the
bucket. All sorts of top secret dealings and research projects could see the
light of day in the turmoil surrounding his death.

As for ideas, it might be worth chceking out some of the Cyberpunk books.
They have a tech level that is a bit higher on the scale than Shadowrun's,
and so they might fit your needs, too.

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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Fri Aug 16 09:00:04 2002
darren gilliver writes:

> I have seen the book but never really read it,anyone have any ideas where
> I could get it these days?

I've seen it on eBay fairly often. It might even be there now if you look.

> Well I tend to favor games that lean more to guns,attitude and chrome then
> magic,so for the moment im looking for new toys(although I do plan to alter
> magic in some ways)

Try either flipping through (it's cheap!) or getting ahold of the Gurps
cyberpunk and espionage books (and maybe others, too). They might have the
sort of thing you'd be needing.

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Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (darren gilliver)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Sun Aug 18 09:30:01 2002
--- Bryan Pow <bryan_pow@*******.com> wrote:
> Who gets to live in these and how often is air
> traffic between them and
> earth. Orbiting archologies sounds very much like
> Gibson, where the orbital
> platforms are where the corps sit while the rest
> fester on earth.
Yep,thats where I stole the idea from.

> >Seattle being annexed by the NAN(2062)
>
> Without a war?
Yes but not with the UCAS and the NAN.(if you really
want to know how this happened ask phil,it was his
idea.)

> >and the death of lofwyr(2070)
>
> How did he kark it?
he was assasinated,not unlke the big D.

> >I didn't consider this,but in SLA industries if you
> get a genetic
> >modification there is a fifty percent chance that
> your children will
> >inherit it,I was planning on useing that.
>
> SLA industries?
A very dark future game published bynightfall
games.(and briefly by wizards of the coast *spits the
foulness from his mouth*)


Darren(will flip you for real!)

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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Sun Aug 18 10:05:01 2002
From: "darren gilliver" <chrome_ghoul@*****.com>
>
> > >and the death of lofwyr(2070)
> >
> > How did he kark it?
> he was assasinated,not unlke the big D.

Shouldn't that have been "assassinated"?

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Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Scott Dean Peterson)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Sun Aug 18 12:55:01 2002
> > > >and the death of lofwyr(2070)
> > >
> > > How did he kark it?
> > he was assasinated,not unlke the big D.
>
> Shouldn't that have been "assassinated"?

I miss BOTH dragons getting geeked. Wow someone want o point me to which
books I can use to catch up on these facts. I have recently rebuilt my
collection and into 3rd ed and I knew about Dunk but not Lof.

Scott
Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (John Constable)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Sun Aug 18 13:05:01 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dean Peterson" <lordmountainlion@***.rr.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: Desperatly searching for ideas.


>
> > > > >and the death of lofwyr(2070)
> > > >
> > > > How did he kark it?
> > > he was assasinated,not unlke the big D.
> >
> > Shouldn't that have been "assassinated"?
>
> I miss BOTH dragons getting geeked. Wow someone want o point me to which
> books I can use to catch up on these facts. I have recently rebuilt my
> collection and into 3rd ed and I knew about Dunk but not Lof.

I believe the original poster was talking about his home grown campaign :-)
Lofwyr's still alive in cannon SR, AFAIK..

John
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Mon Aug 19 05:25:01 2002
According to Scott Dean Peterson, on Sun, 18 Aug 2002 the word on the street was...

> I miss BOTH dragons getting geeked. Wow someone want o point me to which
> books I can use to catch up on these facts. I have recently rebuilt my
> collection and into 3rd ed and I knew about Dunk but not Lof.

Darren was talking about an even from an extended SR timeline he's working on, not
about something from SR's "real" history.

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Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Desperatly searching for ideas.
Date: Mon Aug 19 06:15:01 2002
>From: "Scott Dean Peterson" <lordmountainlion@***.rr.com>
> > > > >and the death of lofwyr(2070)
> > > >
> > > > How did he kark it?
> > > he was assasinated,not unlke the big D.
> >
> > Shouldn't that have been "assassinated"?
>
>I miss BOTH dragons getting geeked. Wow someone want o point me to which
>books I can use to catch up on these facts. I have recently rebuilt my
>collection and into 3rd ed and I knew about Dunk but not Lof.

Note Lofwyr is noted as being geeked in 2070, shadowrun is normally set 61
years in the future so most people are playing somewhere in the vicinity of
2063.
Dunkelzhan died on Thursday August the ninth 2057 on the night of his
inauguration.
Whether he was assassinated is still however a matter for conspiricy
theorists.
The Dragon Heart Trilogy (?) of novels gives the story on what actually
happened.

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