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Message no. 1
From: Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject: dikote-armour
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:14:01 +0100
On Sun 4 Dec the Whistler wrote:
[stuff about having dikoted/hardened heavy security armour (and
diabolical laughing :-) ]

What is your monthly income as a shadowrunner? Frag, I once calculated
to costs to dikote my longcoat and I came up with 275.000 nuyen. When
you also multiply this value with its streetindex (10) it's 2,75
Million!!! I decided to use my money in a more cost-efficient way
hereafter :-)

My question is: I calculated the costs correctly according to the
rules, but does anyone use the rules in this way? (I don't. I divide
the total costs by 10 and chanced the street index to 5)

Second question: I use dikoted-fletchettes (Buy them, their worth
their cost!) but can you use fletchettes in burst or full-auto
weapons ? (just an evil thought }-) )

While I'm talking about dikote: how about dikoted narcoject darts?


(BTW thanks for the answers on Jenna)

Greetings

Fael Inis <aka Martin Steffens>
Message no. 2
From: Susan Sherman <SSHERMAN@****.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:20:44 -0500
Can anyone tell me if getting dikoted spurs are worth it? My character
Hawk (street sammie) is going to be getting a lot of nuyen for a run we
should be finishing this Sat and I'm contemplating getting her spurs
dikoted. Suggestions would be appreciated.

SilverFire
ssherman@****.stevens-tech.edu
Message no. 3
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:23:28 EST
Martin writes:

> to costs to dikote my longcoat and I came up with 275.000 nuyen.
I am going to get picky about this, but dikoting the long coat would
melt the coat.



> Second question: I use dikoted-fletchettes (Buy them, their worth
> their cost!) but can you use fletchettes in burst or full-auto
> weapons ? (just an evil thought }-) )
>
Certainly. The Ares Viper, which is designed for flechettes, is burst
fire capable. No reason for flechettes to not be fired any other way.

> While I'm talking about dikote: how about dikoted narcoject darts?
>
>
Sadly, I will agree with Lucifer. It is a good idea for punching through
barriers, but the dart IS designed to deliver the narcoject poison or
other nasties. Disregard that last statement. Dikoting the darts will
not due more damage to the skin. So yes, it is possible to dikote the
darts. Just make sure to leave the exit hole open for the poison. It
would give it better AP capabilities. Give me a day. I will work on a
power for the weapon in regards to barriers and armor.
> (BTW thanks for the answers on Jenna)
>
> Greetings
>
> Fael Inis <aka Martin Steffens>
>


Many people fear Death, saying it is the bitter end.
I say Death is just lonely, crying out for a friend.

-Shadowdancer- <briddle@*****.vinu.edu>
Message no. 4
From: Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:09:51 +0100
Shadowdancer writes:

> Martin writes:
> > to costs to dikote my longcoat and I came up with 275.000 nuyen.
> I am going to get picky about this, but dikoting the long coat would
> melt the coat.

Ok, ok, I used the most expensive example but forgot to check if it's
possible, but a suit of heavy security armour is still going to cost
200.000+ (excl. streetindex ; wouldn't you sometimes love to pay
normal VAT instead of the street index ;-) ) which I think is to much
for one extra point of armour.

BTW if you dikote the solid plates in the long coat before putting
them in the coat, and you would do the same thing with the kelmar-
fibres, it would be possible. So all you need is a good tailor :-)

Greetings

Fael Inis <aka Martin Steffens>
Message no. 5
From: pran r mukherjee <pran@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:30:27 -0500
On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Shadowdancer wrote:

> Martin writes:
>
> > to costs to dikote my longcoat and I came up with 275.000 nuyen.
> I am going to get picky about this, but dikoting the long coat would
> melt the coat.
>
The thing is that you aren't really dikoting the coat, but the plates
used to armor it. Take the plates out, dikote them, and put them back
and presto, a dikoted long-coat.
Message no. 6
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:37:06 EST
Pran writes:

> On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Shadowdancer wrote:
>
> > Martin writes:
> >
> > > to costs to dikote my longcoat and I came up with 275.000
nuyen.
> > I am going to get picky about this, but dikoting the long coat would
> > melt the coat.
> >
> The thing is that you aren't really dikoting the coat, but the plates
> used to armor it. Take the plates out, dikote them, and put them
back
> and presto, a dikoted long-coat.
>
This works...but you have to consider that to get the full effect, you
have to dikote the whole thing. The plates just add protection to what
is provided by the fabric of the coat. And the plates are in the chest
and side areas. If you stuck plates everywhere in the coat, the effect
would be **&*style plate mail, stiff, hard to move in, makes LOTS of
noise(But hey, arrows bounce off!!! :-) )


Many people fear Death, saying it is the bitter end.
I say Death is just lonely, crying out for a friend.

-Shadowdancer- <briddle@*****.vinu.edu>
Message no. 7
From: Erik S Jameson <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:48:23 -0700
I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but doesn't it say
somewhere that dikoting can only be done to hard armors?

BTW, it IS worth it to spend the major nuyen to get your hard armor
dikoted. That extra point can mean the difference between living and
being very, very dead. What good is money is you die with it left over?
Spend it while you can! ANd when you are a legal citizen (READ:
corporate whore), it's really not _that_ expensive. That's how I did it,
and I think I'm the only one who has it, at least currently.

Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
Message no. 8
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:32:57 -0500
On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Shadowdancer wrote:

> If you stuck plates everywhere in the coat, the effect
> would be **&*style plate mail, stiff, hard to move in, makes LOTS of
> noise(But hey, arrows bounce off!!! :-) )
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not really. An arrow will go through plate armor almost as well
as no armor. Just look at what happened at the Battle of Crecy.

Marc
Message no. 9
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: dikote-armour
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:24:32 -0500
>>>>> "Marc" == Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
writes:

Marc> Not really. An arrow will go through plate armor almost as
Marc> well as no armor. Just look at what happened at the Battle of Crecy.

Just for the record, an arrow fired from a longbow or a hefty draw-weight
crossbow (around 70lbs or so) will have /significantly/ better penetration
and damage characteristics than a round from an assault rifle. The drawback
(heh :) is a rather significantly lower cyclic.

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Message no. 10
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:13:28 EST
Marc writes:

> On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Shadowdancer wrote:
>
> > If you stuck plates everywhere in the coat, the effect
> > would be **&*style plate mail, stiff, hard to move in, makes LOTS
of
> > noise(But hey, arrows bounce off!!! :-) )
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Not really. An arrow will go through plate armor almost as well
> as no armor. Just look at what happened at the Battle of Crecy.
>
> Marc
>
It was a joke. A play on **&*. OK, a slam on **&*. Note smiley.
Message no. 11
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:49:41 -0500
On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
[on the subject of bow damage vs. assault rifle damage]

> The drawback (heh :) is a rather significantly lower cyclic.

Details, details! :)

Marc
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@***.NL>
Subject: Re: dikote-armour
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:43:23 +0100
>Just for the record, an arrow fired from a longbow or a hefty draw-weight
>crossbow (around 70lbs or so) will have /significantly/ better penetration
>and damage characteristics than a round from an assault rifle. The drawback
>(heh :) is a rather significantly lower cyclic.

For those who own 3G3 (i.e. Guns! Guns! Guns!), I did some calculations for
a windlass-operated crossbow, and came out with a DV of 142 or something in
that area...(can't remember the exact figure) which means higher penetration
than 14.5mm machine gun ammo... ouch!
That is for a 15th century crossbow with a pull of _twelve_hundred_pounds_,
or 545 kilograms!! (Military Modelling magazine, June 1991 issue).

OK, so you would have to spend around a minute pulling back the bowstring
between shots.
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