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Message no. 1
From: Carl J Latoski <garrinthesilent@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:06:12 MST
One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
(sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
Sickening thought....

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Message no. 2
From: Josh Higham <jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:34:21 -0400
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Carl J Latoski wrote:

> One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
> (sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
> Sickening thought....

I don't think that would be all that great: it would probably keep the
sabot in one piece, and prevent any expansion, which would create a small
clean wound, as opposed to the drek that a misformed lump of lead would
cause.

I gotta say that I don't know exactly how APDS works, but I think what I
said applies to most rounds (the mecury in bullet expanding rounds might
still work, depending on how strong dikote is).

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Message no. 3
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:41:23 +0100
In article <19970811.190509.4463.3.garrinthesilent@****.com>, Carl J
Latoski <garrinthesilent@****.COM> rambled on endlessly about Dikote
Bores
>One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
>(sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
>Sickening thought....

Puzzled?

What would this achieve, the sabot falls away from the round.

As far as I'm aware the sabot surrounds the round, and is used to fire a
smaller projectile through larger calibre, enhancing velocity and
penetration capabilities. The sabot is wasted...

Of course, I could be wrong.


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Message no. 4
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:53:05 -0500
You wrote:
> One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
> (sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
> Sickening thought....
Ummm, what good would that do, aside from reducing the spread upon penetration
(thus reducing its damage capacity)? Harder is not better with a bullet, you
want it to deform after it hits.


losthalo
Message no. 5
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:03:35 +0100
In message <19970811.190509.4463.3.garrinthesilent@****.com>, Carl J
Latoski <garrinthesilent@****.COM> writes
>One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
>(sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
>Sickening thought....

The sabot (from the French for 'shoe') is the part of the round that is
discarded and falls to the ground not far from the muzzle, so DiKoting
it doesn't seem particularly necessary.

As for the penetrator, it wouldn't make much difference. A bullet
hitting soft armour won't care: against hard armour the penetrator will
deform on impact even as it penetrates, and the DiKote will simply crack
off the surface. At the strain rates involved in armour penetration,
metals flow like liquids, and surface coatings are all but irrelevant.

For instance, modern US APFSDS rounds are made from depleted uranium
(for its density) with a thin coating of aluminium. The coating is
purely there to prevent the toxic and very weakly radioactive DU from
affecting the crew of the tank carrying and firing it, and has no effect
on armour-piercing performance.


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Message no. 6
From: Carl J Latoski <garrinthesilent@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:50:16 MST
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Josh Higham
<jhigham@******.student.cwru.edu> writes:
>On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Carl J Latoski wrote:
>
>> One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
>> (sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
>> Sickening thought....
>
>I don't think that would be all that great: it would probably keep
>the
>sabot in one piece, and prevent any expansion, which would create a
>small
>clean wound, as opposed to the drek that a misformed lump of lead
>would
>cause.
>
>I gotta say that I don't know exactly how APDS works, but I think what
>I
>said applies to most rounds (the mecury in bullet expanding rounds
>might
>still work, depending on how strong dikote is).
>
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>Josh Higham jxh25@**.cwru.edu

What I meant to say was dikoting the flechette, not the sabot. APDS
works by having a Sub-Caliber round surrounded by 3-6 pieces that fall
away after firing (the sabots), which gives your slug a higher velocity
(which is why it punches through most armor as if it was'nt even there).
Now while I will admit it may not due a lot more damage to the target, it
will definately make the armor next to useless. Especially of your game
master likes to throw things that make a panzer look nice to play with
(and thats with the anti-personnel/missle defence strips in place).

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Message no. 7
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Dikote Bores
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:33:00 GMT
on 12.08.97 Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK wrote:

A> >One last, somewhat sick thought. How about Dikoting the penetrator
A> >(sabot) of an APDS round? Not the entire round, just the sabot....
A> >Sickening thought....
A>
A> Puzzled?
A>
A> What would this achieve, the sabot falls away from the round.
A>
A> As far as I'm aware the sabot surrounds the round, and is used to fire a
A> smaller projectile through larger calibre, enhancing velocity and
A> penetration capabilities. The sabot is wasted...
A>
A> Of course, I could be wrong.

Nope. You're right. I guess he mixed it up...


Tobias
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