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Message no. 1
From: William Pasqual Flint <claymoar@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:50:19 -0500
It is possible to dikote a metal bone lacing.

Resaons why:

"Bone lacing is a lengthy and expensive process in which the cellular structues
of the subject's bones is augmentated with lattice chains of reinforcing
plastics and metals to improve the bone's integrity and tensile strength."
(Shadowtech, p.42)

LATTICE: a framework or structure of crossed wood or metal strips.
(Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, p.677)

CHAIN: a series of usu. metal links or rings connected to or fitted into one
another and used for various purposes(as support, rstraint, transmission of
mechanical power, or measurement).
(Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, p. 224)

Lattice Chains: a structure of crossed metal connected links or rings.

Since metal can withstand the high temperatures of dikoting and the dikoted
metal rinks will not need to bend or flexed after dikoting, I believe it is
possible to have dikoted titanium bone lacing(with personal gaming's
permission).

The only other question is how much is needed?
Since I don't know the total surface area of the skeleton, I suggest use the one
for a full body armor which is 2.25squared meters(Shadowtech, p.91)

That all I got to say.

Claymore the Metaknight Champion(help destroy a toxic avenger, but still after
a toxic dracoian shaman, think)

P.S. this idea about dikoted titanium bone lacing came from my GM and not me.
Message no. 2
From: hmangold@*******.AC.RUNET.EDU
Subject: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing (fwd)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 14:12:33 EST
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> From SHADOWRN@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl Thu Feb 18 13:32:35 1993
> Message-Id: <9302181832.AA06550@*******.ac.runet.edu>
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:50:19 -0500
> Reply-To: William Pasqual Flint <claymoar@***.UMD.EDU>
> Sender: Discussion of the Fantasy game ShadowRun
<SHADOWRN@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl>
> From: William Pasqual Flint <claymoar@***.UMD.EDU>
> Subject: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing
> To: Multiple Recipients of <SHADOWRN@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl>
>
>
>
> It is possible to dikote a metal bone lacing.
>
> Resaons why:
>
> "Bone lacing is a lengthy and expensive process in which the cellular
structues
> of the subject's bones is augmentated with lattice chains of reinforcing
> plastics and metals to improve the bone's integrity and tensile strength."
> (Shadowtech, p.42)
>
> LATTICE: a framework or structure of crossed wood or metal strips.
> (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, p.677)
>
> CHAIN: a series of usu. metal links or rings connected to or fitted into one
> another and used for various purposes(as support, rstraint, transmission of
> mechanical power, or measurement).
> (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, p. 224)
>
> Lattice Chains: a structure of crossed metal connected links or rings.
>
> Since metal can withstand the high temperatures of dikoting and the dikoted
> metal rinks will not need to bend or flexed after dikoting, I believe it is
> possible to have dikoted titanium bone lacing(with personal gaming's
> permission).
>
> The only other question is how much is needed?
> Since I don't know the total surface area of the skeleton, I suggest use the
one
> for a full body armor which is 2.25squared meters(Shadowtech, p.91)
>
> That all I got to say.
>
> Claymore the Metaknight Champion(help destroy a toxic avenger, but still
after
> a toxic dracoian shaman, think)
>
> P.S. this idea about dikoted titanium bone lacing came from my GM and not me.
>

No, you cannot dikote bone lacing! The metal is caried to the bone
structure and intergrated with it through a nanotech procedure i.e. the
metal is deposited molecule by molecule. They do not crack the person open
and sew this stuff into their bones. To dikote bone lacing you would
either have to:
a:dikote every single molecule of the substance being
laced, or
b:coat them once they wre in the bones (hot enough for
you?) IMHO ,imho. ThemetMacLeod
Message no. 3
From: bellovar@***.WISC.EDU
Subject: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:01:30 CST
Since metal can withstand the high temperatures of dikoting and the dikoted
metal rings will not need to bend or flexed after dikoting, I believe it is
possible to have dikoted titanium bone lacing(with personal gaming's
permission).

Claymore the Metaknight Champion(help destroy a toxic avenger, but
still after a toxic dracoian shaman, think)

***************************************************************************

Ay! Umm... sorry about this, but no. That simply will not work.

If the chains were not directly bonded to the bone, they would not help
the bone avoid breaking, they would merely hold it together. They need
to be strips, not chains. The bending allowed by metal and plastic gives
resistance, yet flexes. A chain, even if the body of each link was bonded
would flex where the links met, giving even less resistance, therefore less
of a benefit. About all it would really do is hold the bone in place after
breaking.

Not to mention, the essence loss on chains instead of strips would be nasty,
not to mention the fact that it would tear your insides up as you moved.

(Not intended to be a flame, just a reply)

Chris Bellovary
-- CrossFire --
Message no. 4
From: hmangold@*******.AC.RUNET.EDU
Subject: Re: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing (fwd)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 20:54:57 EST
Forwarded message:
> From claymoar@***.umd.edu Thu Feb 18 17:22:22 1993
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:18:33 -0500
> From: William Pasqual Flint <claymoar@***.umd.edu>
> Message-Id: <199302182218.AA15706@****.wam.umd.edu>
> To: hmangold@*******.ac.runet.edu
> Subject: Re: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing (fwd)
>
> nanities are used to create a link between machine and nervous system, bone
lacing doesn't need a neural interface.
>
> Claymore the Meatknight Champion
>
> P.S. I hope to hear a response and oh yeh, do you know how to stop a toxic
dracoian shaman?
>

Ok, so the choice of nanites was a poor one...nevertheless, the bone
lacing is not strips or chains attached to the bone, it is material
*integrated* into the bone structure (thus the term "lacing"). What I said
about dikoting it still holds true...

as for the toxic dragon shaman, um, didja try running *REAL* fast? 8)

MacLeod
Message no. 5
From: Chris Siebenmann <cks@********.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacing
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 18:27:35 -0500
Sure, you can dikote titanium bone lacing ... after it's on the bone.
I'm sure the person who's bones they are wouldn't enjoy that very much.

- cks
[PS: you vastly overestimate the size of the 'lattice chains', too;
we're talking about lacing, not replacement.]

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