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Message no. 1
From: Tomasz Kubacki <josefs@****.POLBOX.PL>
Subject: Dikoting Katana
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:12:49 PST
hi
My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know measures of this toy.=
Anybody can help me?
Tomasz
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Message no. 2
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:50:20 -0500
> hi
> My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know measures of this toy. Anybody can
help me?
> Tomasz
> =======================================================
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tomasz
Kubacki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>josefs@****.polbox.pl<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> =======================================================

Sure...one square meter. Who cares if it is way to big.. Shadowlabs are
terribly efficient. And if he want a dikoted katana, well, he should be
prepared to pay plenty.... :)
Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:47:00 +0100
Tomasz Kubacki said on 18:12/28 Mar 97...

> My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know measures of this
> toy. Anybody can help me?

I figure about a meter long, maybe 5 cm wide and double-sided. That makes
about 1000 cm^2: 10,000 nuyen, or 100,000 on the street.

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Message no. 4
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:53:02 EST
On Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:50:20 -0500 Midn Daniel O Fredrikson writes:
>> hi
>> My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know measures of this
>toy. Anybody can help me?
>> Tomasz
>
>Sure...one square meter. Who cares if it is way to big.. Shadowlabs
are
>terribly efficient. And if he want a dikoted katana, well, he should be
>prepared to pay plenty.... :)
>

Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for 100
centimeters squared?

~Tim (who has nothing witty to say)
Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:31:01 -0500
>
>Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for 100
>centimeters squared?

A question I've struggled with a few times. The way it reads, it would
seem to be for 100 square centimeters....BUT, it ou look that the prices for
the armor listed, it would appear to be 100 centimeters squared.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 6
From: Craig J Wilhelm <nyccraig@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:32:48 EST
On Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:31:01 -0500 Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU> writes:
>>
>>Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for
>100
>>centimeters squared?
>
>A question I've struggled with a few times. The way it reads, it
>would
>seem to be for 100 square centimeters....BUT, it ou look that the
>prices for
>the armor listed, it would appear to be 100 centimeters squared.
>
>-=SwiftOne=-
>

Where are you getting these prices from? Am I running around with a bad
copy of Shadowtech or something?
(I probably am...)

Have a nice day!
Craig Wilhelm

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:04:47 +0100
Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...

> Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for 100
> centimeters squared?

What exactly is the difference?

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Message no. 8
From: Craig J Wilhelm <nyccraig@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:07:58 EST
On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:04:47 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...
>
>> Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for
>100
>> centimeters squared?
>
>What exactly is the difference?

If it were Y1,000 per 100 *square cm* (which is what I belive it to be),
it would cost Y1,000 to dikote 100 sq cm.
If it were Y1,000 per 100sq cm *squared* (which is what I think is on
Tim's mind),
it would cost Y10,000 to Dikote 100 sq cm. But 100 cm in which direction?

Now to clarify what I percive as a very minor typo:
To quote (my possibly flawed copy of) the book the cost for Dikote is:
1,000Y/100 cm2 (1,000Y minimum)
I think it should be written thusly: 1,000Y/100 sq cm, to avoid this type
of confision.

Anybody else have any thoughts on the subject? (And I know you do...)

Happy Saturday gaming!
Craig Wilhelm

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Message no. 9
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:41:46 -0500
>> Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for 100
>> centimeters squared?
>
>What exactly is the difference?

100 Square centimeters is 1 cm by 100 cm. 100 Centimeters squared is 100 by
100. So the difference is a factor of 100, or 9,900 square centimeters. A
BIG difference.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 10
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:29:49 -0500
>
> > Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for 100
> > centimeters squared?
>
> What exactly is the difference?

the first is 100 cm^2...the second is (100 cm)^2 or 10000 cm^2
Message no. 11
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:22:25 +0500
On 29 Mar 97 at 11:04, Gurth wrote:

> Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...
>
> > Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000
> > for 100 centimeters squared?
>
> What exactly is the difference?

100 square centimeters is 10 cm x 10 cm, whereas 100 cm squared is
100 cm x 100 cm.

At least, that is how I always understood it.


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Message no. 12
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:19:27 EST
On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:04:47 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...
>
>> Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for
>100
>> centimeters squared?
>
>What exactly is the difference?
>

I think they're debating whether it's 100cm^2 or 100^2 cm.

One way, you get 100 square centimeters. The other, you get 10000cm.
<shrug>


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Message no. 13
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:11:38 +1000
> I think they're debating whether it's 100cm^2 or 100^2 cm.
>
> One way, you get 100 square centimeters. The other, you get 10000cm.
> <shrug>
>

Only really matters if you want to dikote, say, a car.

..... Now, THAT'S an idea *grin*.. Just watch out for the combustible
items when you put it through the furnace.

Bleach
Message no. 14
From: "Elfman(Sgt Pepper) & Danita" <elf-dani@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:21:55 -0700
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: From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
: To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
: Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
: Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 3:04 AM
:
: Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...
:
: > Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000
for 100
: > centimeters squared?
:
: What exactly is the difference?
:
100 sq cm is just that, 100 sq cm, but 100 cm squared would be a
square which is 100 cm on each side, or 10,000 sq cm.

Sgt Pepper

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:36:28 +0100
Drekhead said on 11:22/29 Mar 97...

> 100 square centimeters is 10 cm x 10 cm, whereas 100 cm squared is
> 100 cm x 100 cm.
>
> At least, that is how I always understood it.

I see how that would make a difference. Anyway, to answer the original
question (does dikoting cost 1000Y per 100 square centimeters or per 100
cm squared), the answer is per 100 square cm -- "cm^2" means square
centimeters (of which there are 10,000 in a m^2, for those trying to
figure out if the sizes for clothing are accurate).

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Message no. 16
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:36:28 +0100
Craig J Wilhelm said on 7:07/29 Mar 97...

> I think it should be written thusly: 1,000Y/100 sq cm, to avoid this type
> of confision.

That's only because you Americans don't know metric :)

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Message no. 17
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:46:57 -0800
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:12:49 PST
>From: Tomasz Kubacki

>hi
>My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know
measures of this toy.=
> Anybody can help me?
> Tomasz

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone who has a
katana dikotes it? (Not bitching, I do it too. Great
idea for the cost.)

I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
thin. YMMV.

Shawn
How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)



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Message no. 18
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:58:53 EST
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:04:39 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
>Conceivable, that I dumb, but what is the effect of Dikote? The
>sourcebooks are very commodity in Hungary any kind of languages.

It adds one level to the damage of an edged weapon (sword, spear, etc) OR
+1 to the Power of a projectile (bullet, arrow) or blunt weapon (club)
OR +1 Ballistic and +1 Impact to the armor rating of a piece of armor
(lined coat, full suit, etc)



>
>And this is my answer to Brett, too. I want to make FASAMike happy,
>but
>I can't. :)

Then do lots of kissing up:)

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Message no. 19
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:14:51 EST
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:46:57 -0800 Shawn Baumgartner
<deosyne@*******.COM> writes:
>>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:12:49 PST
>>From: Tomasz Kubacki
>
>>hi
>>My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know
>measures of this toy.=
>> Anybody can help me?
>> Tomasz
>

A katana is about a meter long, the blade being about 26-27 inches or so,
and about an inch wide. I think.



>Is it just me or does it seem like everyone who has a
>katana dikotes it? (Not bitching, I do it too. Great
>idea for the cost.)

I don't think my players have even gotten it figured out yet (and at
least one them has Shadowtech!)



>
>I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
>katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
>thin. YMMV.

Remember that a square meter is one meter long by one meter wide. By my
estimates it's more like about 500 square centimeters. (5000 nY)



>
>Shawn
>How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)

Hey! +1 Power for running over pedestrians:)

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Message no. 20
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 17:18:08 -0500
> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:04:39 +0100 Amper <amper@****.datanet.hu> writes:
> >Conceivable, that I dumb, but what is the effect of Dikote? The
> >sourcebooks are very commodity in Hungary any kind of languages.
>
> It adds one level to the damage of an edged weapon (sword, spear, etc) OR
> +1 to the Power of a projectile (bullet, arrow) or blunt weapon (club)
> OR +1 Ballistic and +1 Impact to the armor rating of a piece of armor
> (lined coat, full suit, etc)

That is one of my pet pieves concerning dikote. In the side section where
all the comments are about dikote, one of the people get quite elaborate
on the armor piercing qualities of dikote. The example that he give is
dikoted crossbow bolts ripping right through cars. But the rules don't
support that at all.

If they wanted it to actually have armor piercing capabilities, they
should have made it like APDS ammo. That would have given it armor
piercing capabilities.

By the way, how many people use projectal weapons regularily?
Message no. 21
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:34:27 +1000
> Shawn
> How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)
>

Monowire bumper bar (ie fender) anybody?
Message no. 22
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:37:25 +1000
> If they wanted it to actually have armor piercing capabilities, they
> should have made it like APDS ammo. That would have given it armor
> piercing capabilities.
>
> By the way, how many people use projectal weapons regularily?
>

Ummm, yup; one super-strong troll PC. They are a huge rules-rape for ultra
strong characters; You get a weapon that is quieter, has a longer range,
and is more powerful (ie 18+) than a panther assault cannon.

Oh, and they're also semi-legal.
Message no. 23
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:14:54 EST
On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:07:58 EST Craig J Wilhelm <nyccraig@****.COM>
writes:
>On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:04:47 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>>Tim P Cooper said on 16:53/28 Mar 97...
>>
>>> Now I forget, is it Y1,000 for 100 square centimeters or Y1,000 for
100
>>> centimeters squared?
>>
>>What exactly is the difference?
>
>If it were Y1,000 per 100 *square cm* (which is what I belive it to be),
>it would cost Y1,000 to dikote 100 sq cm.

>If it were Y1,000 per 100sq cm *squared* (which is what I think is on
>Tim's mind), it would cost Y10,000 to Dikote 100 sq cm. But 100 cm in
>which direction?

Uh... no, I don't know where you got that sq cm *squared* thing from. I
was asking whether it was 100 centimeters sq (100 x 100 centimeter
square), or 10 sq cm (10 x 10 centimeter square).

As for direction? Well a sq cm is a unit of area, so it doesn't really
matter.... you just figure out the dimensions and calculate it's area and
divide by the increment (the 100 cm^2, or 100 sq cm) to get the cost.

>
>Now to clarify what I percive as a very minor typo:
>To quote (my possibly flawed copy of) the book the cost for Dikote is:
>1,000Y/100 cm2 (1,000Y minimum)
>I think it should be written thusly: 1,000Y/100 sq cm, to avoid this
type
>of confision.
>Anybody else have any thoughts on the subject? (And I know you do...)

Naw... just that I agree.

~Tim
Message no. 24
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 02:03:19 -0600
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Shawn Baumgartner wrote:
> Is it just me or does it seem like everyone who has a
> katana dikotes it? (Not bitching, I do it too. Great
> idea for the cost.)
>
> I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
> katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
> thin. YMMV.
>
> Shawn
> How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)
>
Speaking of dikoting stuff....has anyone here tried dikoting their
cyberdeck?... i remember there is a small blurb about dikoting electronics
but it doesnt really tell you WHAT exactly it does, something about
being able to make things more compact, ect... Any ideas about the
effects? And dont ask me to quote, I've been seperated from my
source-books by 2,500 miles :(

Czar Eggbert


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Message no. 25
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:55:18 +1000
> Speaking of dikoting stuff....has anyone here tried dikoting their
> cyberdeck?... i remember there is a small blurb about dikoting electronics
> but it doesnt really tell you WHAT exactly it does, something about
> being able to make things more compact, ect... Any ideas about the
> effects? And dont ask me to quote, I've been seperated from my
> source-books by 2,500 miles :(
>

Diamond is an EXCELLENT heat conductor, they use them in lasers an other
applications to draw heat away.... It'd make a great heat sink
and make the thing run faster. I'd hate to see any game statistics on
it, though; The effect probably wouldn't be that great. Keep in mind that
cyberdecks are optically driven, and would not give off much heat
(equivalent [per instruction] to today's computers)
Message no. 26
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 02:01:26 -0800
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:34:27 +1000
>From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD"

>> Shawn
>> How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)
>>
>
>Monowire bumper bar (ie fender) anybody?
>

Nah, more fun to attach one end of a piece of
monowire to a hydrant and the other end to your back
bumper, then drive across the street, park, and wait
for the walk signal. :)

Shawn
Damn, almost disgusted myself with that one.


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Message no. 27
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:32:48 -0500
You wrote:
> Nah, more fun to attach one end of a piece of
> monowire to a hydrant and the other end to your back
> bumper, then drive across the street, park, and wait
> for the walk signal. :)

You are one sick puppy! I think I've found a new best friend.
Personally, I don't think people have enough fun with the monowire. There are
so many uses for the stuff if you're creative, as you obviously are. Just like
your example with the walk signal, you can have loads of fun stopping traffic
if you don't like motorcycles. Or even better, do what one guy in our group
did. String it across a doorway and then pull the fire alarm. Messy, but
effective.

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 28
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:11:13 +0000
On 30 Mar 97 at 12:46, Shawn Baumgartner wrote:
[snip]
> I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
> katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
> thin. YMMV.
CUBIC metres? *trying to imagine the samurai holding a grip at a
1x1x2 meter block of metal*

Wow... you talk trolls here, don't you?


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Message no. 29
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:11:14 +0000
On 28 Mar 97 at 18:12, Tomasz Kubacki wrote:
> My player want to dikote his katana. So i must know measures of this
> toy. Anybody can help me?
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Message no. 30
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:11:13 +0000
On 31 Mar 97 at 9:37, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
[snip]
> > By the way, how many people use projectal weapons regularily?
> Ummm, yup; one super-strong troll PC. They are a huge rules-rape for ultra
> strong characters; You get a weapon that is quieter, has a longer range,
> and is more powerful (ie 18+) than a panther assault cannon.
>
> Oh, and they're also semi-legal.
...but impossible to conceal...

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Message no. 31
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:34:57 -0600
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, L Canthros wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:46:57 -0800 Shawn Baumgartner
> <deosyne@*******.COM> writes:
> >How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)
>
> Hey! +1 Power for running over pedestrians:)

Hey Mike. Are modifires for this in the new section on running over
pedestrians in RBB2? how about monofiliment streched about a foot from
the grill or a spiked bumper or blades coming out of the hub caps (see
chariots from Ben Hur)? Of course what would Lone Star think when they
saw this monstrocity rolling down the street.......

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 32
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:54:33 -0500
You wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, L Canthros wrote:

> > On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:46:57 -0800 Shawn Baumgartner
> > <deosyne@*******.COM> writes:
> > >How 'bout dikoting the grill of your car? :)
> >
> > Hey! +1 Power for running over pedestrians:)

> Hey Mike. Are modifires for this in the new section on running over
> pedestrians in RBB2? how about monofiliment streched about a foot from
> the grill or a spiked bumper or blades coming out of the hub caps (see
> chariots from Ben Hur)? Of course what would Lone Star think when they
> saw this monstrocity rolling down the street.......

They'd probably think to get the hell out of the way, but that's just a
gut reaction.

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 33
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:27:08 +1000
> > > By the way, how many people use projectal weapons regularily?
> > Ummm, yup; one super-strong troll PC. They are a huge rules-rape for ultra
> > strong characters; You get a weapon that is quieter, has a longer range,
> > and is more powerful (ie 18+) than a panther assault cannon.
> >
> > Oh, and they're also semi-legal.
>
> ...but impossible to conceal...
>
So what? So's the troll.
Message no. 34
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:53:59 EST
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:11:13 +0000 Sascha Pabst
<Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> writes:
>On 30 Mar 97 at 12:46, Shawn Baumgartner wrote:
>[snip]
>> I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
>> katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
>> thin. YMMV.

>CUBIC metres? *trying to imagine the samurai holding a grip at a
>1x1x2 meter block of metal*
>
>Wow... you talk trolls here, don't you?

LOL... I think the correct term for something like that is "Club" not
"Blade".

~Tim (that's a LOT of Di-kote....)
Message no. 35
From: Ted Cabeen <cabeen@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:24:17 -0600
At 04:14 PM 3/30/97 EST, L Canthros wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:46:57 -0800 Shawn Baumgartner
>A katana is about a meter long, the blade being about 26-27 inches or so,
>and about an inch wide. I think.

>>Is it just me or does it seem like everyone who has a
>>katana dikotes it? (Not bitching, I do it too. Great
>>idea for the cost.)
>>
>>I typically charge for 2 cubic meters of area for a
>>katana blade; about a meter long, not very wide, very
>>thin. YMMV.
>
>Remember that a square meter is one meter long by one meter wide. By my
>estimates it's more like about 500 square centimeters. (5000 nY)

Remeber, the Street Index for Dikote is 10, so dikoting that Katana using a
street contact will cost you 50000 nuyen, which is a small chunk of change.
Since I don't let my players start with Dikoted Stuff, this makes it
slightly harder to get anything dikoted unless I want them to. ;)

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Message no. 36
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:28:55 -0500
>>Conceivable, that I dumb, but what is the effect of Dikote? The
>>sourcebooks are very commodity in Hungary any kind of languages.
>
>It adds one level to the damage of an edged weapon (sword, spear, etc) OR
>+1 to the Power of a projectile (bullet, arrow) or blunt weapon (club)
>OR +1 Ballistic and +1 Impact to the armor rating of a piece of armor
>(lined coat, full suit, etc)

Actually, though the example in Shadowtech was a bit pooched, I got the
impression that and edged weapon would get +1 power +1 Damage level. This
agrees with the reduction done in Awakenings where they have someone using a
dikoted katana against a spirit.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 37
From: Shaun Sides <arch@****.ABTS.NET>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:21:25 -0500
Date: 1 Apr 97 Time: 16:28
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana

TO: Brett Borger

> Actually, though the example in Shadowtech was a bit pooched, I got
> the impression that and edged weapon would get +1 power +1 Damage
> level. This agrees with the reduction done in Awakenings where they
> have someone using a dikoted katana against a spirit.

That's how our group decided to use it, as well.

a chaoidh teabadaich,

Shaun Sides
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Message no. 38
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dikoting Katana
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:51:45 EDT
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:28:55 -0500 Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU> writes:
>>>Conceivable, that I dumb, but what is the effect of Dikote? The
>>>sourcebooks are very commodity in Hungary any kind of languages.
>>
>>It adds one level to the damage of an edged weapon (sword, spear,
>etc) OR
>>+1 to the Power of a projectile (bullet, arrow) or blunt weapon
>(club)
>>OR +1 Ballistic and +1 Impact to the armor rating of a piece of armor
>>(lined coat, full suit, etc)
>
>Actually, though the example in Shadowtech was a bit pooched, I got
>the
>impression that and edged weapon would get +1 power +1 Damage level.
>This
>agrees with the reduction done in Awakenings where they have someone
>using a
>dikoted katana against a spirit.

Having just looked over the example in Shadowtech (my brain's in too much
of a fog to actually read it right now) and the one in Awakenings, I
don't really know what to tell you. The idea that I got out of Shadowtech
doesn't match up with the one in Awakenings. This could be the result of
vague writings in Stech, a mistake in Awakenings, or both. I could be
wrong, I do not know.

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