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Message no. 1
From: The GREAT Cornholio <mruane@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Discussion about the Usefulness or not of Riggers and
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:29:05 -0700
Wesley S Walker writes:
> > And as far as mages being too powerful, they are supposed to be very
> > powerful. But they are far from invincible. I've been running my mage
> > for almost four years now, and while he is a serious bad-ass, he would
> > probably still get killed by our samurai, who has only been run for about
> > 2 years.
>
> Again, I agree, but a mage is still a serious power in the game.
> A well planned assault by a mage is nothing to scoff at.. and buildings
> -will- probably topple too. Looking through the spells, I realized how
> suck the sammies had it. A well run mage can run through any sammie
> without breaking too much of a sweat.. at least that is what I glean from
> reading the text and the testimony of many of the listmembers. Like
> A*&*'s dragons are *KICKASS* -only- if run properly, but again, that
> system has its problems.. as does SR. But in A*&*, if a group of mages
> tried to adventure without a fighter, thief, or cleric, the city guard
> would quickly find a pile of dead mages outside the city walls (d4 hps
> suck.) End of discussion. =)

This is why it is important to not just run mages versus sams, ro riggers
vs. deckers, etc.. A good team has a variety of classes/archtypes that
they can utilize. Every person's talent complements another's weakness.
A mage could have an easy time carving through *just* sams, provided his
reaction was high enough. But if the mage had to worry about another
wizzer casting fireball through his locks or dispelling his +3 init
quickening, then then there's a probllme. Lose that reaction and the
sam suddenly gets 3 actions to your one. Nobody's armor is that good.
Nobdoy's CP is that good, either. Everyone needs to work together in
combat or you won't survive too long in the shadow world.

>
> As far as mage v sammie.. Could a mage attack a sammie in his
> dreams through the astral? Or am I giving the astral more avenues than
> it truely has? IE: when I think astral, I think supernatural all
> incompassing aer, and that's where everyone dreams. :)
>
> Laters.

I think the astral is just another plane of existence while the
dreamstate of a mundane is purely contained within his consciouness.
Unless the sleeping target is astrally perceiving, then he can't do
diddly besides manifest in his room and try to wake him up by waving his
arms around.

Mike
Message no. 2
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Discussion about the Usefulness or not of Riggers and
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:01:35 -0700
>> As far as mage v sammie.. Could a mage attack a sammie in his
>> dreams through the astral? Or am I giving the astral more avenues than
>> it truely has? IE: when I think astral, I think supernatural all
>> incompassing aer, and that's where everyone dreams. :)

he could appear visibly in the physical plane and then go about whisper in the
Sammie's ear and hope that he has bad dreams.

He could also shout, and wake up the Sammie, and then try to play Scrouge on
him. Of course - this will only work if his idealized self image happens to
resemble one of the christmas ghosts.

Remember - how you look in astral is an idealized self image - not whatever you
choose to look like at the time. Not even Aura masking will change the self
image, it will just make you look like a mundane or normal mage.

Nightfox
Message no. 3
From: John H Stawarz <jstawarz@****.GMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Discussion about the Usefulness or not of Riggers and
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:08:14 -0500
>
> On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Erik S Jameson wrote:
>
> > And as far as mages being too powerful, they are supposed to be very
> > powerful. But they are far from invincible. I've been running my mage
> > for almost four years now, and while he is a serious bad-ass, he would
> > probably still get killed by our samurai, who has only been run for about
> > 2 years.
>
> Again, I agree, but a mage is still a serious power in the game.
> A well planned assault by a mage is nothing to scoff at.. and buildings
> -will- probably topple too. Looking through the spells, I realized how

Well, one idea for toppling a building is to launch a salvo of HE
rockets at it... Or use Urben Renewal (I just like the spell.... Never
have been a situation to use it... :)

> suck the sammies had it. A well run mage can run through any sammie
> without breaking too much of a sweat.. at least that is what I glean from
> reading the text and the testimony of many of the listmembers. Like
Well, stick SEVERAL sammies on the mage... Can we say Mage Soup?
In a one on one fight, a combat mage would probably come out on top.
But, what about various other types of mages? Not all mages in SR are
combat mages. What about the researchers, the teachers, the university
professors, your average wage mage that is paid to gather info, but not
to fight? I'm seeing a lot of gripes about combat mages, but what
about the rest of the magic community? Is EVERY mage going to know a
Force 220 Stop EveryThing From Hurting Me spell(s)? A little
melodramatic, but you get the point. The majority of the magical
community isn't going to be a combat mage, but an ordinary person
(oxymoron?) that is only going to have access to the spells that are
useful in their job. That limits most mages anyways.

> As far as mage v sammie.. Could a mage attack a sammie in his
> dreams through the astral? Or am I giving the astral more avenues than
> it truely has? IE: when I think astral, I think supernatural all
> incompassing aer, and that's where everyone dreams. :)

Tel'aran'rhiod(sp?), anyone? <grin>

> - Wes W. Walker (wwalker@****.uark.edu) * "But...Ego *IS* everything."
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