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Message no. 1
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:30:20 -0500
Well, this was a favorite skill of mine in SR2, but in SR3, it goes
under Stealth. Why? Disguise is based on expertise with cosmetics
and a bit of acting, which would default off Intelligence. This makes
sense, however, how would I pull this off? Success-based or what?
This would be Knowledge, except that it takes skill to put the makeup
on, right?

On a related note, has anyone else created any new active skills?

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Message no. 2
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:10:06 -0400
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Angelkiller 404."
] On a related note, has anyone else created any new active skills?

Sure. I just got the Underworld Sourcebook, and there's a
new Active Skill right there: Tattooing. Also, that Hula
Dancing skill I mentioned a while back should really be an
Active Skill...and then there's any of those crazy Centering
skills, plus the Rocker and Snoop skills from Shadowbeat...
the list goes on.

-Murder of One
Message no. 3
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:10:14 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: Disguise?


>"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Angelkiller 404."
>] On a related note, has anyone else created any new active skills?
>
> Sure. I just got the Underworld Sourcebook, and there's a
>new Active Skill right there: Tattooing. Also, that Hula
>Dancing skill I mentioned a while back should really be an
>Active Skill...and then there's any of those crazy Centering
>skills, plus the Rocker and Snoop skills from Shadowbeat...
>the list goes on.
>
>-Murder of One
>
>
Y'know, I was just wondering: what (if any) Attributes are those
Shadowbeat skills linked to?
Message no. 4
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:34:04 EST
In a message dated 3/19/99 12:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> Y'know, I was just wondering: what (if any) Attributes are those
> Shadowbeat skills linked to?
>
InT, mostly, but those that evoke public response Like performace should
probobly be CHA.
Message no. 5
From: GMPax@***.com GMPax@***.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:28:36 EST
In a message dated 3/19/99 6:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Starrngr@***.com
writes:

> In a message dated 3/19/99 12:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> angelkiller404@**********.com writes:
>
> > Y'know, I was just wondering: what (if any) Attributes are those
> > Shadowbeat skills linked to?
> >
> InT, mostly, but those that evoke public response Like performace should
> probobly be CHA.

And some aspects might be Willpower linked (say, interrogation ... <g>).

Sean
GM Pax
Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:50:14 +0100
According to Angelkiller 404, at 15:10 on 19 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> Y'know, I was just wondering: what (if any) Attributes are those
> Shadowbeat skills linked to?

That would be easy enough, as it's mentioned in Shadowbeat how to default
to something else for them:

Dance: Quickness
Musical Instrument: Intelligence
Musical Instrument B/R: not mentioned, but per SR3 it would be
Intelligence
Singing: Charisma
Portacam: not mentioned (I assume Intelligence)

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Message no. 7
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:24:19 -0500
That would be easy enough, as it's mentioned in Shadowbeat how to
default
to something else for them:

Dance: Quickness
Musical Instrument: Intelligence
Musical Instrument B/R: not mentioned, but per SR3 it would be
Intelligence
Singing: Charisma
Portacam: not mentioned (I assume Intelligence)


Hm, linking Musical Instrument to Intelligence sounds logical, but
wouldn't some manual dexterity also come into play, thus including
Quickness?

As for singing, I'm still grousing about that one...Charisma, huh?
How about Willpower?

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GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V?
PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---)
y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 8
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:02:11 EST
In a message dated 3/21/99 9:30:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> Hm, linking Musical Instrument to Intelligence sounds logical, but
> wouldn't some manual dexterity also come into play, thus including
> Quickness?
>
> As for singing, I'm still grousing about that one...Charisma, huh?
> How about Willpower?
>

Charisma is the better choice, Gurth. It reflects your ability to cary your
message across, to get people to empathise with whatever your trying to
portray with your music. This is clearly a function of Charisma, not your
force of will. I can think of several forcefull people who cant get people to
empathise with them, while several very empathetic people who have NO
willpower whatsoever. (A prime example being the former governer of
Arkansas).

And most music is more a function of rote memorization and regurtiation, over
physical dexterity. Do not forget the creation of Synthlinks which allow the
person to perform without any manual dexterity at all. And anyone can learn
how to finger an instrument well enough regardless of their dexterity if they
are willing to work hard enough at it.

In the end, if it really bothers you, Gurth, make a house rule for your game
that allows 1) the person do default to the higher of the two, or b) defaults
to the Average of the two stats.

Good enough?
Message no. 9
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Disguise?
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:03:15 +0100
According to Starrngr@***.com, at 2:02 on 22 Mar 99, the word on
the street was...

> In a message dated 3/21/99 9:30:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> angelkiller404@**********.com writes:
>
[snip]
>
> Charisma is the better choice, Gurth.

Huh? I'm not angelkiller404@**********.com... Plus, I was the one who
mentioned the bit from Shadowbeat where it says Singing _is_ based on
Charisma (page 7).

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->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

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