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From:	Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:41:57 -0500

Message no. 1 Greetings,

I have a player who recently made up a character. Using some Flaws (Day
Job and Secret) he set himself up to lead two lives. By day he is a Lone
Star officer, but at night he takes on shadowruns. As of now the runs have
not involved anything too illegal, just taking care of things that the
employer can not afford to take care of himself.

The player wants to disguise himself. Has any of the books ever covered
ways one can disguise thelselves (cyber or just some other technology)? I
told him to wear dramatically different clothing, and sunglasses when
meeting with employers. While performing the job he could wear a mask (full
face or half face) or a scarf over the lower part of his face and the
glasses. However I dont know how realistic that disguise is. Would it work?
The player of course was hoping for a machine that hooks up to his computer
and makes masks (a la Mission Impossible). While that technology may exist
in SR, I just dont know that a character on his level could acquire it.

Willing to listen to any suggestions,
Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.

From:	Strago strago@***.com
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:21:30 -0500

Message no. 2 Aristotle wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a player who recently made up a character. Using some Flaws (Day
> Job and Secret) he set himself up to lead two lives. By day he is a Lone
> Star officer, but at night he takes on shadowruns. As of now the runs have
> not involved anything too illegal, just taking care of things that the
> employer can not afford to take care of himself.
>
> The player wants to disguise himself. Has any of the books ever covered
> ways one can disguise thelselves (cyber or just some other technology)? I
> told him to wear dramatically different clothing, and sunglasses when
> meeting with employers. While performing the job he could wear a mask (full
> face or half face) or a scarf over the lower part of his face and the
> glasses. However I dont know how realistic that disguise is. Would it work?
> The player of course was hoping for a machine that hooks up to his computer
> and makes masks (a la Mission Impossible). While that technology may exist
> in SR, I just dont know that a character on his level could acquire it.
>
> Willing to listen to any suggestions,
> Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.

Well, I had a character who was a "master of disguise". He had a "disguise
kit"
which included such things as:
instant hair dyes, colored contact lenses, fake warts and horns and applicator,
fake teeth, fake folding crutches, slings, that sort of thing. I had a disguise
skill to use it and the people chasing me used perception to see if they could
track me down. I made them myself just so they'd look right. Your player might want
something like this.

--
--Strago

In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder,
bloodshed - they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In
Switzerland they had brotherly
love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The
cuckoo clock!
-Orson Welles

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From:	waylex1 waylex1@**************.co.uk
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:06:52 +0000

Message no. 3 I think the rules say it is taken as an aspect of stealth, which i agree before you
respond is crap. It would be more sensible to make it a special active skill. The
player has got point for the flaws as mentioned so he can afford to spend a bit on
disguise.

BTW I like the concept I may steal that one ;)

Strago wrote:

> Aristotle wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have a player who recently made up a character. Using some Flaws (Day
> > Job and Secret) he set himself up to lead two lives. By day he is a Lone
> > Star officer, but at night he takes on shadowruns. As of now the runs have
> > not involved anything too illegal, just taking care of things that the
> > employer can not afford to take care of himself.
> >
> > The player wants to disguise himself. Has any of the books ever covered
> > ways one can disguise thelselves (cyber or just some other technology)? I
> > told him to wear dramatically different clothing, and sunglasses when
> > meeting with employers. While performing the job he could wear a mask (full
> > face or half face) or a scarf over the lower part of his face and the
> > glasses. However I dont know how realistic that disguise is. Would it work?
> > The player of course was hoping for a machine that hooks up to his computer
> > and makes masks (a la Mission Impossible). While that technology may exist
> > in SR, I just dont know that a character on his level could acquire it.
> >
> > Willing to listen to any suggestions,
> > Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.
>
> Well, I had a character who was a "master of disguise". He had a
"disguise kit"
> which included such things as:
> instant hair dyes, colored contact lenses, fake warts and horns and applicator,
> fake teeth, fake folding crutches, slings, that sort of thing. I had a disguise
> skill to use it and the people chasing me used perception to see if they could
> track me down. I made them myself just so they'd look right. Your player might want
> something like this.
>
> --
> --Strago
>
> In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder,
> bloodshed - they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In
> Switzerland they had brotherly
> love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The
> cuckoo clock!
> -Orson Welles
>
> SRGC v0.2 !SR1 SR2+ SR3++ h b++ B- UB- IE+ RN+ SRFF W+ sa++ ma++ ad+ m+ (o++ d+)
> gm+ M P

From:	Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:02:48 +1100

Message no. 4 -----Original Message-----
From: Aristotle <antithesis@**********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: Disguises.

>Greetings,
>
> I have a player who recently made up a character. Using some Flaws (Day
>Job and Secret) he set himself up to lead two lives. By day he is a Lone
>Star officer, but at night he takes on shadowruns. As of now the runs have
>not involved anything too illegal, just taking care of things that the
>employer can not afford to take care of himself.
>
> The player wants to disguise himself. Has any of the books ever covered
>ways one can disguise thelselves (cyber or just some other technology)? I
>told him to wear dramatically different clothing, and sunglasses when
>meeting with employers. While performing the job he could wear a mask (full
>face or half face) or a scarf over the lower part of his face and the
>glasses. However I dont know how realistic that disguise is. Would it work?
>The player of course was hoping for a machine that hooks up to his computer
>and makes masks (a la Mission Impossible). While that technology may exist
>in SR, I just dont know that a character on his level could acquire it.
>
>Willing to listen to any suggestions,
>Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.
>

It has crossed my mind many times, especially when my character gets on the
news yet again, that there should be cyberware that can do this. perhaps you
can have chips that store specific looks, as well as a few presets. Some
kind of fibres replace the hair so that they can change colour and
lengthen/shorten by about 20 cm or retract completely for the bald look.
Sheathing on the body (this exists now?) that can change skin colour, a few
implants around bones to increase/decrease height, some kind of polymer for
faking wrinkles in the right areas, and expandable sacs implanted under the
skin in certain areas that can radically change facial features (aided by
the skin colour changer that can highlight certain areas like modern make up
artists do). Except for maybe the skin replacement and the height expanders,
it shouldn't cost too much essence. It would be extremely useful to be able
to just waltz past Lone Star as they are waiting for you to leave a building
or whatever.
One day I might even work it out, but I would rather just mooch off someone
else :)

From:	Allen Versfeld moe@*******.com
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:49:05 +0200

Message no. 5 Simon Fuller wrote:
>
> It has crossed my mind many times, especially when my character gets on the
> news yet again, that there should be cyberware that can do this. perhaps you
> can have chips that store specific looks, as well as a few presets. Some

[schnip]

> it shouldn't cost too much essence. It would be extremely useful to be able
> to just waltz past Lone Star as they are waiting for you to leave a building
> or whatever.
> One day I might even work it out, but I would rather just mooch off someone
> else :)

I seem to recall seeing this in an issue of TSS...
--
Allen Versfeld
moe@*******.com

QVANTI CANICVLA ILLE IN FENESTRA

From:	baburabi baburabi@********.com
Subject:	Disguises.
Date:	Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:55:28 -0500

Message no. 6 > >
> > I have a player who recently made up a character. Using some Flaws (Day
> >Job and Secret) he set himself up to lead two lives. By day he is a Lone
> >Star officer, but at night he takes on shadowruns. As of now the runs
have
> >not involved anything too illegal, just taking care of things that the
> >employer can not afford to take care of himself.
> >
> > The player wants to disguise himself. Has any of the books ever covered
> >ways one can disguise thelselves (cyber or just some other technology)? I
> >told him to wear dramatically different clothing, and sunglasses when
> >meeting with employers. While performing the job he could wear a mask
(full
> >face or half face) or a scarf over the lower part of his face and the
> >glasses. However I dont know how realistic that disguise is. Would it
work?
> >The player of course was hoping for a machine that hooks up to his
computer
> >and makes masks (a la Mission Impossible). While that technology may
exist
> >in SR, I just dont know that a character on his level could acquire it.
> >
> >Willing to listen to any suggestions,
> >Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.
> >
>
>
> It has crossed my mind many times, especially when my character gets on
the
> news yet again, that there should be cyberware that can do this. perhaps
you
> can have chips that store specific looks, as well as a few presets. Some
> kind of fibres replace the hair so that they can change colour and
> lengthen/shorten by about 20 cm or retract completely for the bald look.
> Sheathing on the body (this exists now?) that can change skin colour, a
few
> implants around bones to increase/decrease height, some kind of polymer
for
> faking wrinkles in the right areas, and expandable sacs implanted under
the
> skin in certain areas that can radically change facial features (aided by
> the skin colour changer that can highlight certain areas like modern make
up
> artists do). Except for maybe the skin replacement and the height
expanders,
> it shouldn't cost too much essence. It would be extremely useful to be
able
> to just waltz past Lone Star as they are waiting for you to leave a
building
> or whatever.
> One day I might even work it out, but I would rather just mooch off
someone
> else :)
>
>
>

actually if you can get acess to it there is a whole bunch of stuff in the
old Pallidium game Ninja's and Superspies about cyber diguises if u can get
your hands on it, it shouldnt be too bad to convert mainly you just need to
add essence cost. if u cant get ahold of a copy just let me know and i will
try to find mine.

baburabi

From:	Steve Mancini mancini@******.com
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:19:44 -0800 (PST)

Message no. 7 Well.. I guess this is as good a time to come outta the shadows as
any time. I ain't seeing folks like Doc Doom and the original guys I
use to schmooze with on here to say hi to first...

Regarding Disguise technology - what about using the nanotech
tattoo type technology as a foundation to leap from? You want
skin tone shifts, tattoos on the face that vanish as they turn
the right pigment, - makeup can redefine facial angles - I would
gather so could the nanotech tattoos in the Man and Machine book.

There.. my first 2 cents thrown into da ring in... sh*t.. 5 years?

Da Minotaur
Back in the Gm Saddle Again.. gods help me.

From:	HHackerH@*.com HHackerH@*.com
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:58:32 EST

Message no. 8 In a message dated 3/1/00 6:20:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mancini@******.com writes:

> There.. my first 2 cents thrown into da ring in... sh*t.. 5 years?

(*stands in total silence*)

.... technically, less than that ...

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-K
-"Just a Bastard"
-Hoosier Hacker House
"Children of the Kernel"
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:14:22 +0100

Message no. 9 According to Steve Mancini, at 15:19 on 1 Mar 00, the word on the street
was...

> Well.. I guess this is as good a time to come outta the shadows as
> any time. I ain't seeing folks like Doc Doom and the original guys I
> use to schmooze with on here to say hi to first...

Very few of them are left... There are still a few left from before I
joined the list (6 years and 3 days ago now, I just realized) but not
many.

But at least your post allows me to put an e-mail address to some of the
stuff in the NAGEE Updates article of NAGEE #9 :) (At least, I assume
you're the one who wrote articles like The Beastmaster in NAGEE 5, right?)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Because there are no stories about romance, no fairy-tale endings. Before
you run out and change the world, ask yourself, what do you really want?
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-

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From:	HHackerH@*.com HHackerH@*.com
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:54:29 EST

Message no. 10 In a message dated 3/2/00 4:18:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gurth@******.nl writes:

>
> But at least your post allows me to put an e-mail address to some of the
> stuff in the NAGEE Updates article of NAGEE #9 :) (At least, I assume
> you're the one who wrote articles like The Beastmaster in NAGEE 5, right?)

Yes, that he is.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-K
-"Just a Bastard"
-Hoosier Hacker House
"Children of the Kernel"
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]

From:	Steve Mancini mancini@******.com
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:34:43 -0800 (PST)

Message no. 11 > According to Steve Mancini, at 15:19 on 1 Mar 00, the word on the street
> was...
>
> > Well.. I guess this is as good a time to come outta the shadows as
> > any time. I ain't seeing folks like Doc Doom and the original guys I
> > use to schmooze with on here to say hi to first...
>
> Very few of them are left... There are still a few left from before I
> joined the list (6 years and 3 days ago now, I just realized) but not
> many.
>
> But at least your post allows me to put an e-mail address to some of the
> stuff in the NAGEE Updates article of NAGEE #9 :) (At least, I assume
> you're the one who wrote articles like The Beastmaster in NAGEE 5, right?)
>

Heheh.. yeah I plead guilty as charged. Prolly that and my playful look
at 'Free Drones' (aka as in drones going free like spirits) are probably
still out there somewhere.

I'll have to look the NAGEE stuff up someday and see what all is there
from way back when before burn-out and life at Intel...

-Da Minotaur

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:45:34 +0100

Message no. 12 According to Steve Mancini, at 8:34 on 2 Mar 00, the word on the street
was...

> > But at least your post allows me to put an e-mail address to some of the
> > stuff in the NAGEE Updates article of NAGEE #9 :) (At least, I assume
> > you're the one who wrote articles like The Beastmaster in NAGEE 5, right?)
>
> Heheh.. yeah I plead guilty as charged. Prolly that and my playful look
> at 'Free Drones' (aka as in drones going free like spirits) are probably
> still out there somewhere.

Not in any published issue of the NAGEE, but then I don't know what stuff
Tony (Moller) got sent that never appeared.

> I'll have to look the NAGEE stuff up someday and see what all is there
> from way back when before burn-out and life at Intel...

<plug>http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/nagee</plug>; in case
you're talking about the recent issues #7 and #8, with #9 on the way...

> -Da Minotaur

That's better! :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Because there are no stories about romance, no fairy-tale endings. Before
you run out and change the world, ask yourself, what do you really want?
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ UL P L+ E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
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From:	James Dening james@************.force9.co.uk
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Mon, 15 May 2000 10:15:04 +0100

Message no. 13 Anyone got any idea how much a comprehensive disguise
kit would cost, or if it's already in a book (SR3)?

Sorry for the woefully on-topic post.....

J.

From:	Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@******.com
Subject:	Disguises
Date:	Mon, 15 May 2000 13:54:45 +0200

Message no. 14 James Dening wrote:

> Anyone got any idea how much a comprehensive disguise
> kit would cost, or if it's already in a book (SR3)?
>
> Sorry for the woefully on-topic post.....

I would say a 1000 nuyen would get you quite a comprehensive kit which would
enable you to create your own facial masks, wicks and the stuff.

Just my thoughts,

-sven :)
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