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Message no. 1
From: "J.W.Thomas" <cm5323@***.AC.UK>
Subject: Disney Suits
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:29:54 +0100
DISNEY SUITS!!!

These things are a MUST for heavy armour/stealth.

Ever wondered how those poor shmucks in the Mickey Mouse suits
stay allive inside a big foam suit in Florida's Summer heat?

Disney leads the world in thermal control/dam garments. under
the MM suit they wear a close fitting suit covered with coolant
flow tubes, which cool the body and transfer heat to icepacks on
the back or belt.
You stay cool.

This set up is ideal for wearing heavy armour in the heatwave.

Also, remember those Pesky Thermographic cameras/ trolls that
can see your body heat through walls?
They can't see you with a cool suit on.

The military may have a version of this by SR time, IR
sneaksuits that make you invissable to THermographs.

CHOPPER
ChOpPeR
cHoPpEr
chopper

PS
POLARBEARS.
have you ever seen a polar bear hunt? they cover there nose with
one paw and close one eye. that makes them a white blob with one
black dot ( the open eye). almost invisable in the snow.
Smart arse nature filmmakers tried to ctch them on film with a
thermal imaging camera.
the polar bears fur was so good an insulator that they looked
like more snow. No emmited heat.
Message no. 2
From: Jason Ustica <usticaj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Disney Suits
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:58:42 -0700
On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, J.W.Thomas wrote:

> DISNEY SUITS!!!
>
> These things are a MUST for heavy armour/stealth.
>
> Ever wondered how those poor shmucks in the Mickey Mouse suits
> stay allive inside a big foam suit in Florida's Summer heat?
>
> Disney leads the world in thermal control/dam garments. under
> the MM suit they wear a close fitting suit covered with coolant
> flow tubes, which cool the body and transfer heat to icepacks on
> the back or belt.
> You stay cool.

Wait a sec... is this for real??? Disney, of all people, leads the WORLD
in thermal control garments??

>
> The military may have a version of this by SR time, IR
> sneaksuits that make you invissable to THermographs.

The military should have a version of this NOW! I wouldn't be surprised
if Disney adopted military tech to make these suits. I can't believe
Disney thought of this stuff before the military.

Speaking of Disney, any one know thier status in 2055? Are they still
around? It'd be kind of fun to make a run in a 2055 version of Disneyland.

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Message no. 3
From: cocheese <ZKLJ1@****.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Disney Suits
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:15:20 EDT
THe army does have a cooling vest for the M1A1 tank. I doubt it'd affect your
heat sig. though.


CoCheese
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Disney Suits
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:04:21 +0930
J.W.Thomas wrote:
> Disney leads the world in thermal control/dam garments. under
> the MM suit they wear a close fitting suit covered with coolant
> flow tubes, which cool the body and transfer heat to icepacks on
> the back or belt.
> You stay cool.
>
> This set up is ideal for wearing heavy armour in the heatwave.

*cough* That close fitting, uh? Remember, heavy armour is _tailored_ for
you, and not much else with you (though that of course is up to you).

> Also, remember those Pesky Thermographic cameras/ trolls that
> can see your body heat through walls?
> They can't see you with a cool suit on.

No way... Look at it: they can either see the (cooler than environment) ice
packs, which make nice big black spots, or they can see you with normal
vision. If you've got a perfectly well insulated setup, you're going to
cook yourself before too long. Remember, the human body puts out more heat
per cubic centimeter than the Sun...

> The military may have a version of this by SR time, IR
> sneaksuits that make you invissable to THermographs.

Possible, but the trick lies in making the heat dissipation slow, and
gradual... which means you're going to get hot and sweaty.

> the polar bears fur was so good an insulator that they looked
> like more snow. No emmited heat.

But the polar bear doesn't have to worry about heat stroke... furthermore,
if they are like most hairy mammals (humans _excluded_, along with a few
others), the major source of heat release is from the mouth, and possibly
in urine and from the base of the paws.

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
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are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
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Message no. 5
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Disney Suits
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:23:21 -0400
Jason Ustica inquires:

> Speaking of Disney, any one know thier status in 2055? Are they still
> around? It'd be kind of fun to make a run in a 2055 version of Disneyland.

It's mentioned in an article about Los Angeles (I think) in one of the
NAGEE's.. I think it was NAGEE 3 or NAGEE 4, but can't remember. Try
getting it from cerebus.acusd.edu, or from Paolo's Web page.

I'd check myself, but the only place I know of that archived text copies of
NAGEE was yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, and the Shadowrun stuff is gone from their
FTP site. For the second time, does _anyone_ know what happened to that
site, and if the stuff is moving elsewhere?


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 6
From: Charles Chase <DeckinChef@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Disney Suits
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 00:13:24 -0400
If you watch thermo-graphic images you'll see that in addition to the high
temp core areas exhalation is a huge signature. The photographers and
biologists working with bears have great footage of breath footprints with
smeary light ghosts surrounding them. Dissipation of the exhalation would be
as critical a problem as hiding core portions of the body.
BTW bears as with many other cold weather predators cover their noses when
sedentary for heat retention not camouflage. Polar bears and all polar
animals, eg. penguins, suffer tremendous heat stress when temps in summer go
above normal (>50 F) and go to great lengths to reduce the thermal load
including continuous soaking in water, hiding in shadows, and burrowing
under snow and in caverns. You can't be good at all things.

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