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Message no. 1
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 23:06:03 -0500
I still get some posts that won't go through no matter how many times I
try sending it. Other posts have no troubles.


>The original message was received at Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:14 -0500 (EST)
>from user-38s0bk5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.192.46.133]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><shadowrn@*****.html.com>
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>550 <shadowrn@*****.html.com>... Host unknown (Name server:
>lists.html.com: host not found)
>
>Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp3.mindspring.com
>Received-From-MTA: DNS; user-38s0bk5.dialup.mindspring.com
>Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:14 -0500 (EST)
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; shadowrn@*****.html.com
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.1.2
>Remote-MTA: DNS; lists.html.com
>Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:15 -0500 (EST)
>
>Return-Path: <mc23@**********.com>
>Received: from [209.192.46.133] (user-38s0bk5.dialup.mindspring.com
>[209.192.46.133])
> by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26874
> for <shadowrn@*****.html.com>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:14 -0500 (EST)
>Message-Id: <199902030401.XAA26874@*****.mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Old Flames :)
>Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 23:01:14 -0500
>x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997
>From: MC23 <mc23@**********.com>
>To: <shadowrn@*****.html.com>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>


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Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:16:02 +1000
MC23 writes:
> I still get some posts that won't go through no matter how many times I
> try sending it. Other posts have no troubles.

The path that email takes from one machine to another will go through
different nodes at different times. Thus, sometimes your email takes routes
where every machine along the way knows of lists.html.com, but other times
it'll end up on a machine which either doesn't know of lists.html.com, or
doesn't like the setup of lists.html.com.

Give it a few days. The Internet doesn't believe in having configuration
changes reflected instantly, you know... there's a definate propagation
speed, and it's _slow_...

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 3
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 23:19:46 -0500
Once upon a time, Robert Watkins wrote;

>The path that email takes from one machine to another will go through
>different nodes at different times. Thus, sometimes your email takes routes
>where every machine along the way knows of lists.html.com, but other times
>it'll end up on a machine which either doesn't know of lists.html.com, or
>doesn't like the setup of lists.html.com.

But it's specific posts that have problems. I can post other mail fine
while rebouncing one over and over again.

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Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 4
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:40:29 -0500
Robert Watkins wrote:
> > I still get some posts that won't go through no matter how many times I
> > try sending it. Other posts have no troubles.
[snip]
> Give it a few days. The Internet doesn't believe in having configuration
> changes reflected instantly, you know... there's a definate propagation
> speed, and it's _slow_...
>
Yes, slow - slow on the order of hours, not a week. OK, maybe not quite
a week yet, but normally it should only take a maximum of 48 hours to
propogate a DNS address. There's something wrong.

James Ojaste
Message no. 5
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:48:01 -0500
>Yes, slow - slow on the order of hours, not a week. OK, maybe
>not quite a week yet, but normally it should only take a maximum
>of 48 hours to propogate a DNS address. There's something
>wrong.

Sounds like a TTL problem, which is what Mark mentioned a bit
ago I think.
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Message no. 6
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 99 10:26:35 -0500
Once upon a time, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote;

>Yes, slow - slow on the order of hours, not a week. OK, maybe not quite
>a week yet, but normally it should only take a maximum of 48 hours to
>propogate a DNS address. There's something wrong.

Yep, I have another piece of mail that won't go through. The fact
that it's singling out posts instead of random attempts confuse me.

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Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 7
From: Mark A. Imbriaco mark.imbriaco@*****.com
Subject: [DNS] Returned mail: Host unknown
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:37:52 -0500 (EST)
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:

> Yes, slow - slow on the order of hours, not a week. OK, maybe not quite
> a week yet, but normally it should only take a maximum of 48 hours to
> propogate a DNS address. There's something wrong.

There was something wrong, but it's been corrected. The TTL and Expire
for the html.com zone were WAY too high. They've been reduced and things
should be happier soon.

-Mark

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